I found this on the boards of civfanatics it pretty much shocked me how they created a ton of there assets. Do you think it's lame or just very clever and creative in another way?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422219

Civ 5 is the way to go: every bit as complex and enjoyable, but easier to get into and play. Its one of those games where you can just sit, relax, and waste hours (even if youre getting your ass kicked :P ). Civ 4 is a close second, though

AND ALPHA CENTAURI IS BETTER THAN BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]I think you need to read more about this MMO "MMO these days are mostly concentrated on extremely meaninglessly time consuming mechanic. such as, kill xxx amount enemies in zone xx or gather xxxx amount of object to gian xp and level", you will be surprised. If you like to focus on the engine, so be it, but don't assume this will be anything other than an Asian MMO with a twist, saying what you just assume is like saying "aren't people bored of walking with their feet? why can't they reinvent walking...with your feet".DanielDust

I think you need to change your mind set a little,

comparing walking to a form of entertainment is rather silly, if we human were all stone headed as you are now and believed "walking with our feet is so enjoyable and no change needs to be made" then it would never came with the revolution idea of building better transportation such as automobile or airplane. same thing with entertainment value in an mmo, reach lvl cap can be doing much more fun stuffs such as building houses, ship battle, climbing rather than killing monster, gathering or pizza boy quests.

Walking is walking, grinding is grinding, it's a definite concept, you can't change it, you can't reinvent it, no RPG ever will be able to get rid of grinding even if some developer out there spends a billion $ on a 3 decade project that has only unique quests for 50 hours, combat will still remain one of the things that define grinding, killing thousands of enemies will be a grind.

Grinding is definately something they can change. Make more interesting combat and quests. Like in Diablo 2, the leveling and item finding never felth like a grind, it was fun and entertaining. And i played some mmo's where there was no grinding at all, like warhammer online, you just play PvP all day which was awesome. Never got it why the game failed. Eve online has just a bit of grinding, once you have some skills to do what you want to do you can do that and level up the rest automaticly.

Do a little bit more research please. Eve online is, has always, and will be for a while the best sandbox RPG. Yes it is a lot harder then any mmo out there, and it might seem a bit slow especially at the start. But believe me, the game is huge, almost everything the like economy or borders is controlled by players. You can do anything you want, from sitting all day in a station to engage in massive fleet battles fighting for the controll and survival of your corporation and alliance.

The combat of acheage seems just a updated version of wow. A bit faster and dynamic.

I'm a huge PC player but those MOBA games or whatever they are called just don't interest me. Maybe one day, but for now, I'll stick with FPS/TPS, RTS, and RPGs.

arto1223

At this point in the gen, consoles arn't really worth much aside paper weights or doorstops.. All you get is a jaggy, lesser gamingexperience. The extremly rare worthwhile exclusive doens't warrant paying 200$+ per console not to mention controllers other peripherals. And tbh i'd rather avoid the dozens the casual fps's, movies, wannabe racing sim's, and rehashed fighters... Only fathomable reason to own a console is if you cant afford a decent PC or to play with console only friends..

Inb4 Elitist

jimmyrussle117