@drunk_pi:

You: How is it not a bad idea? Please explain without resorting to insults. But I don't expect much from fanatics such as yourself.

Me: You’re right, there’s no need for insults. Sorry, that’s my bad. Anyway, arming teachers is not a bad idea. My initial argument (based off rage, I admit) that I put forward elsewhere, would be to mandate that all teachers carry and be trained, but in hindsight that’s ridiculous (and would cost a lot of money.) However, I do think teachers that know how to handle a gun, are willing to train with it, and are willing to carry and protect their students, should be allowed to. 98% of all mass shootings have occurred in these ‘gun free-zones’ since 1950. Far less would happen if there were willing and capable teachers (and more security) in place to take down a shooter when it happens. These ‘what if’ fears about accidental discharges, teachers shooting kids randomly and kids disarming teachers and so on are nonsensical. Accidents do happen, such is life, but to assume it’s going to be happening on a continuous basis seems like fear mongering at best. The dye was cast when psychopaths decided to target schools. Sometimes you must meet fire with fire. I doubt we will agree on this, but that’s fine.

Also, how am I a fanatic? Because I respect our right to self-defense? That I realize evil exists and want to prepare people for its inevitable appearance?

You: Sorry the truth triggers you.

Me: What truth? That I made a mistake? I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you’ve made some mistakes in your life. The mistake was me not looking back on the conversation and realizing it was someone else (you) making the argument I predicted the original poster would make.

You: The type that has delusions of grandeur about starting or even thinking a revolution will ever occur.

Me: Delusions of grandeur would assume that I want a revolution. There’s a difference between that and knowing it is possible because of the evil and corruption that exists in the hearts of men. You’re making a lot of assumptions here without even knowing about be, aside from that fact that I’m an avid supporter of 2^nd amendment rights, but if want to categorize me as a demon based only on that, then that says quite a bit more about you than me.

Also, to assume a revolution could never occur because you don’t want to think about the possibility, does not make it impossible.

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@drunk_pi:

You: You're arguing for idiotic concepts that have no place in real life. Armed teachers? That's a terrible fucking idea due to the amount of problems that can arise such as accidental discharges, teachers shooting kids, kids disarming teachers, and so on. Here's a better idea and something that every country has done: Ban or severely limit guns. It works.

Me: No, it doesn’t. And calm down child, your stupidity is showing.

You: Also, what article are you talking about? While some police shootings have been "accidental," its cost has been significant due to the loss of life, especially if the person shot was not armed or was of mistaken identity. This doesn't help your argument that accidental shootings just "happen."

Me: You’re right. It wasn’t your article, it was another guy’s. I think you replied to my reply of his. Anyway, all of the left’s arguments are the same and meld into one another after a while so it’s hard to distinguish one fool from another. I’ll give you that one.

You: And no, you're a faux patriot because you legitimately believe in your own bullshit that 2A supporters will oppose a tyrannical government. It hasn't nor will it ever happen. Your type doesn't give a crap about those who legitimately oppressed because you care more about jerking off to your AR15s than the lives of your fellow Americans.

Me: My type? What type is that?

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@drunk_pi: Cuckservative? Looks like you lost the argument. Also, I'm a Libertarian, which means I have liberal and conservative leanings. Also, whose telling them to shut up?

@joebones5000: <sigh> The report and findings are from the CDC, pal.

@drunk_pi: I was arguing that teachers should be allowed to carry.

You argued that mistakes and accidents would happen, thinking it would be a dumb idea. You also put your article in that reply.

I then argued (after reading your article) that worrying about potential mistakes was foolish, because accidents and mistakes are a part of life. Then I predicted that you would say that those police shootings weren't accidents, which would then make your initial point (that accidents would happen) pointless, since according to you those police shootings were intended and not accidents.

So... why use an article about police accidentally shooting people, to argue that accidents would happen if teachers had guns, if according to you those very police shootings weren't accidents? So, like I said. Which is it. Are you trying to prove your initial point (that teachers having guns would result in accidents) or your second point (that the shootings in your article by cops weren't accidents, but because of police corruption.)

Also. How am I a faux patriot? Because I disagree with you and respect and support the 2nd amendment?

@SUD123456:

You: Are you personally emotionally distressed because of this latest incident? Because if so, you may not want to make important decisions.

Me: No, I am not personally distressed. Do I feel for the grieving families? Of course. Not the same thing though.

You: If you aren't, then is it fair to say that you are capable of and should make informed decisions?

Me: Your point? There are degrees of distress, mind you.

You: Now apply the same logic to your leaders/lawmakers.

Me: I do. And I expect them to remain logical, and not give over inherent rights because people are hurting and in pain. That’s ridiculous. Those rights transcend each of our individual lives. A hundred years from now, future Americans will have those same rights. There’s no need to take them away because statistically rare terrible things happened in the past.

You: Your 'logic' is absurd. It is nothing more than your own knee jerk reaction to the possibility that a public policy choice might be made that you don't support. Perhaps you are indeed emotionally distressed but for a different reason.

Me: No, it’s not. Also, enacting some policy because something horrible happened and emotions are roiling is the definition of knee-jerk. Is part of your argument that my point is moot because I agree with my point? That’s silly. Of course I do, or I wouldn’t be making it. Also. There are degrees of distress. We’re all anxious, distressed or on edge to some degree quite often and have to make choices, but intelligent people let themselves cool off before making far reaching life choices. Having your kid die from a psychopathic SOB would end up on the very high end of the emotional distress spectrum. Making decisions (especially collective, national level decisions) with that level of distress is foolish.

You: Virtually all public policy choices are made when a series of events forces the issue into public consciousness. There is an infinite number of things that gov't could do, but only a handful actually make it anywhere. Ever wonder why?

Me: Just because something happens, doesn’t make it right. I don’t expect perfection, since we are inherently flawed creatures. I do expect a modicum of reason to be used instead of reactions based off raw emotions. What you are advocating for is literally a knee-jerk reaction, despite claiming I am reacting in such a fashion.

@bigfootpart2: Here's an interesting read: https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

@bigfootpart2: It's the same counter every time. This 'what if' nonsense. My argument is a counter to what is already happening, school shootings (however statistically rare they are.) We protect our court houses with security, we protect our banks with security, we protect a lot of stuff we consider precious and worth defending with security, why not protect our literal future, our children, with security? Whether a willing teacher or some vet hired as a guard or some cop or some professional security guard.