Depends on the game I'm grinding in. If it's like Disgaea and MMORPG grinding where there's other interesting things to do while in the middle of grinding, then yeah, I love them. Especially if the world you're grinding in is interesting or colorful.

I love them all. They're a great opportunity for indie developers.

I've never played an RPG game before so I ordered Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition for 30 bucks( fo the PS3)and I also borrowed Eternal Sonata from a friend to see the difference between JRPGs and WRPGs and while Eternal Sonata has beautiful visualsthe gameplay was stupidI didn't like it at all( I wonder if all JRPGs are like this) but anyway Oblivionturned out to beamazing andI got it for a great price since GOTYhas a couple DLCs also.

So I'm really into Western RPGs right now, can you guys tell me what other goodWRPGs are out there or coming soon?( I'm not getting Fallout 3 until the GOTY comes out this year cause I heard it'll contain all 5 DLCs) so what is there beside that?

Kurdish-Gamer

Dragon Age and Arcania. Coming out for PS3 as well as the 360. Can't wait for them myself. :)

It's a disappointing sequel because it didn't have enough in common with Chrono Trigger? I thought it was a GOOD thing it wasn't like Trigger...

Might as well call every Final Fantasy game after the first a terrible sequel simply because the only thing they'd have in common is spell and summon names.

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[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

No they are good.

unfortunately, people have twisted view of what a good game is.

People would rather play bug filled Oblivion with no interesting story or art, just D&D formulas and ignore fine work of art like Valkyrie Profile.

Raikoh_

I agree. Oblivion just felt empty, but still recieved a high score.

Opinions. I'd much rather play a WRPG like Oblivion over a cliche JRPG. Played one JRPG, you played em all. At least in Oblivion, I can break away from the main storyline and do something else.

But back to topic. JRPG's on the PSP aren't underrated on gamespot. This sounds like all the Wii fanboys who cried over The Conduits review and claimed they hated the Wii, and only backed the PS3 and the 360. That's just not true. The games just aren't that great and get low scores.

I love WRPG's. I'm looking forward to Dragon Age for the PC once it's out. Looking forward to Arcania even more.

JRPG's aren't all the same though. There are A LOT of similar ones but that doesn't mean you can't break away from the story in JRPG's and do something else. It's not just WRPG's that do this. This is exactly my point about Star Ocean: First Departure. People seem to label it as "Just another JRPG" and don't even bother with anything else it offers, and for an old SNES game, it offers quite a bit. WRPG's have only done one thing that JRPG's rarely do, and that's offering a branching story with choices. They let you role-play as yourself. Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile offer some non-linearity themselves. Just like Trianglehard mentioned, Valkyrie Profile is a very unique, fantastic game that has a story and gameplay you don't see in any other RPG's.

Oh and by the way. There are only a handful of "non-linear" WRPG's. The others are just click-fest action RPG's with hardly a story and nothing but grinding. At least if you grind in a JRPG you have a story to play through while you do it.

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Umm... no dude. None of those games were that good. There isn't some elaborate conspiracy- the games just aren't that good.

TriangleHard

No they are good.

unfortunately, people have twisted view of what a good game is.

People would rather play bug filled Oblivion with no interesting story or art, just D&D formulas and ignore fine work of art like Valkyrie Profile.

I agree. Oblivion just felt empty, but still recieved a high score.

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I've begun to get really annoyed with having to search every nook and cranny in nearly every game I play to find. It's not as bad if they actually give you something worht having (new powers, moves, costumes, etc.) but games don't seem to do that anymore. I'm talking about things like the 1,001 light seeds in Prince of Persia, the 350 blast shards in InFamous, 200 pigeons on GTA4, 122 diaries in Bioshock, 95 Dog Tags in Wolverine, and so on.

Does anyone find looking for these fun at all? To me it just seems like a lame way to get people to play the game longer. I don't know. What do you all think?

Note: Yes, I'm aware that I don't have to do them in every game.

BPoole96

It depends on what I'm collecting. If it's something that can't be used in-game I won't even bother with it unless the game is jam-packed full of other fun content.

Things like Ratchet's weapons in Ratchet & Clank is something I like collecting. Or armor sets in a RPG if your character's appearance changes as you equip different armor.

This is what I'm saying, if there's a good incentive to finding everything, than I'm all for it. Even the 20 bobbleheads in Fallout were completely fine because it made you character even stronger. Simply put hundreds of things there to find for nothing is just nonsense.

This is something I really hated about Prinny for PSP. It had a crapload of collectibles that didn't give you much of an incentive to collect. I just played through the story and stopped playing...

...by GameSpot. What do you guys think?

Star Ocean: First Departure received a 6.0

Star Ocean: Second Evolution received a 7.5

Crimson Gem Saga received a 5.0

Monster Hunter Freedom Unite received a 6.5

And the two Final Fantasy Anniversery Editions also received low scores of 6.0 and 6.5 (I ALMOST agree with this...)

Honestly I think this is just unfair. I'm not nuts about each game I listed, but I think their scores should've been higher, and their reviewers should've looked at the games for what they are. Not what they could have been. The one that bugs me the most is the score given to Star Ocean: First Departure. The ONLY bad thing I could think of about the game is that it was annoying traveling back and forth to towns on foot, but that's about it. The skill system, private actions, and battle system are unique (ish) and make the game so much more enjoyable than the "typical RPG" people have been labeling the game as.

EDIT: I know I listed only PSP JRPG's, but DS RPG's are also underrated by this site. I was just listing games off the top of my head and they all ended up being for PSP... lol

I've begun to get really annoyed with having to search every nook and cranny in nearly every game I play to find. It's not as bad if they actually give you something worht having (new powers, moves, costumes, etc.) but games don't seem to do that anymore. I'm talking about things like the 1,001 light seeds in Prince of Persia, the 350 blast shards in InFamous, 200 pigeons on GTA4, 122 diaries in Bioshock, 95 Dog Tags in Wolverine, and so on.

Does anyone find looking for these fun at all? To me it just seems like a lame way to get people to play the game longer. I don't know. What do you all think?

Note: Yes, I'm aware that I don't have to do them in every game.

BPoole96

It depends on what I'm collecting. If it's something that can't be used in-game I won't even bother with it unless the game is jam-packed full of other fun content.

Things like Ratchet's weapons in Ratchet & Clank is something I like collecting. Or armor sets in a RPG if your character's appearance changes as you equip different armor.