PS5 details from Mark Cerny: Backwards compatible, 8k, raytracing support, SSD standard, and more

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#1 Shewgenja
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https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-first-details-specs-backwards-compatible-8k-ps/1100-6466281/

It will also have a disc drive and it seems that early releases will be cross gen. PSVR support out of the box. Seems like a seamless upgrade from the 4.

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#2 freedomfreak
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These consoles can't even do 4K.

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#3  Edited By N64DD
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@freedomfreak said:

These consoles can't even do 4K.

lol

8k isn't even out yet.

Honestly for console gaming HDR is a bigger jump than jumping res is.

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#4 SecretPolice
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Unholy cowzerz. If Phony is doing this One can only imaging the Super Mighty Mega 18K MonsterBox MS is building. lol :P

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#5 GoldenElementXL
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@n64dd: There are multiple 8K TVs on the market currently.

As for the ray tracing claim. The GTX 1060 currently supports ray tracing. So expectations need to be kept in check there.

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#6 Kali-B1rd
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Why do you keep buying this bull?

Any modern chipset would be able to support those features 2 years from now.... doesn't mean they will be worth anything. just like 4k was barely existent on consoles this gen.... 8K? Why? why ? and why? indie games in 8k? cool?

Ray Tracing... same issue....

SSD as standard? yea.. probably a64GB SSD for the OS.... lol

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#7 Sancho_Panzer
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Cool. The SSD's a nice touch.

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#8 the_master_race
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8K , lmao

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#9 magmadragoonx4
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I always enjoy this kind of time when new consoles are being announced. It's good to see someone from Sony talking about it though. I am very happy about the backwards compatibility part.

Some of these claims are really wild, SSD and 8k aren't things I would have expected.

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Can't wait to see the price

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#11 Zero_epyon
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@freedomfreak said:

These consoles can't even do 4K.

It'll probably do 8K Checkerboard, 4K native.

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#12 N64DD
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@goldenelementxl said:

@n64dd: There are multiple 8K TVs on the market currently.

As for the ray tracing claim. The GTX 1060 currently supports ray tracing. So expectations need to be kept in check there.

Any that don't cost as much as a car?

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#13 pyro1245
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I'd like everyone to keep in mind that anything with HDMI 2.1 will be 8K..... So that is basically a gimme for anything coming out in the next few years.

The spec is 8K/30fps, or 60-120fps with compression.

Very excited about the SSDs.

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#14 GoldenElementXL
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@Pedro: The PC equivalent CPU will be the midrange Ryzen 5. That kinda spooks me on the price. The current consoles are using CPUs that are super cheap. If we are beefing up the CPU, going 8+ tflops, GDDR6 RAM, ssds, custom audio chips... Get ready folks

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#15 R4gn4r0k
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My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

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#16 GoldenElementXL
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@n64dd: 65” Samsung Q900 is $4999. That’s expensive for the size, but it’s not crazy expensive considering the image quality of the Q900 line

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#17 Zero_epyon
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@goldenelementxl said:

@Pedro: The PC equivalent CPU will be the midrange Ryzen 5. That kinda spooks me on the price. The current consoles are using CPUs that are super cheap. If we are beefing up the CPU, going 8+ tflops, GDDR6 RAM, ssds, custom audio chips... Get ready folks

Yeah it's going to be PS3 all over again. But at least they'll have games this time.

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#18 dalger21
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@Pedro said:

Can't wait to see the price

Current specs say it will be 499-599

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#19 Zero_epyon
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@R4gn4r0k said:

My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

Definitely will be backward compatible since it's using the same architecture.

8K probably via checkerboarding

Will do similar levels of ray tracing already being done by crytek on AMD hardware

SSD will most likely be standard, probably M.2's like on mobile devices. They just won't have much storage space. I'm guessing 128-256GB with an external HDD option until prices come down.

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#20 Howmakewood
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Xbox one S also supports 4K, just to throw that out there

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#21 deactivated-5f2b4872031c2
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This thread reeks of lem perspiration, and it's only going to get worse.

Meanwhile, next gen PSVR here we go!

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#22 GoldenElementXL
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I find this time of each generation very fascinating. Console gamers get excited over new tech, overhype power capabilities etc. But then when we start discussing price the narrative goes straight to cuckoo land. Sony could charge $599 for what is being described and they will be selling at a loss.

But I know how this dog and pony show goes. We all want power but don’t want to pay for it. That’s why we ignore PC gaming the way we do. Well until we need something to compare our next gen overhype to...

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#23  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@howmakewood said:

Xbox one S also supports 4K, just to throw that out there

Also probably worth adding that AMD has been keen to stress that technically any chip can support raytracing. Whether or not devs take to open RT standards like they have RTX is going to be interesting. It's a fine goal though, to be sure.

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#24 Archangel3371
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The most important aspect to me is the backwards compatibility. The SSD thing is a fairly desirable feature as well. I’m not really expecting too much from the 8K and ray tracing functionalities though.

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@goldenelementxl said:

@n64dd: 65” Samsung Q900 is $4999. That’s expensive for the size, but it’s not crazy expensive considering the image quality of the Q900 line

qled?

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#26 tormentos
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Housed in the console will be an AMD chip that has a CPU based on the third-generation Ryzen. It'll have eight cores of the seven-nanometer Zen 2 microchip. Although the console will support 8K, displaying at this resolution will be dependant on TVs catching up.

Come on people you know better they are not saying games will run at 8k,it will support that resolution you know how many AMD and Nvidia GPU support 4k display but can't run a single modern game or even pass gen at 4k?

So 8k maybe for the OS and nothing more or maybe a shitty indie game.

SSD sound doable but i don't think 2TB.

@goldenelementxl said:

@Pedro: The PC equivalent CPU will be the midrange Ryzen 5. That kinda spooks me on the price. The current consoles are using CPUs that are super cheap. If we are beefing up the CPU, going 8+ tflops, GDDR6 RAM, ssds, custom audio chips... Get ready folks

Well the PS3 GPU and CPU were both over $100 in cost to Sony but was blu-ray also what sky rocket the price 60GB hdd as well.

Remember this chips will not cost sony what it cost you to get one on store,not even close.

Hell the Xenos was more powerful than a $550 7800GTX on 2005 but it cost MS like $100 each chip.

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#27 Chutebox
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Oh, so these aren't leaked details but are.actually legit?

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#28 ZmanBarzel
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@howmakewood said:

Xbox one S also supports 4K, just to throw that out there

Only when it comes to playing movies via UHD or streaming.

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#29 deactivated-5f2b4872031c2
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@Chutebox said:

Oh, so these aren't leaked details but are.actually legit?

Well they came from Mark Cerny. I don't think he'd lie.

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#30 GoldenElementXL
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@tormentos said:

@goldenelementxl said:

@Pedro: The PC equivalent CPU will be the midrange Ryzen 5. That kinda spooks me on the price. The current consoles are using CPUs that are super cheap. If we are beefing up the CPU, going 8+ tflops, GDDR6 RAM, ssds, custom audio chips... Get ready folks

Well the PS3 GPU and CPU were both over $100 in cost to Sony but was blu-ray also what sky rocket the price 60GB hdd as well.

Remember this chips will not cost sony what it cost you to get one on store,not even close.

Hell the Xenos was more powerful than a $550 7800GTX on 2005 but it cost MS like $100 each chip.

I get that. But consoles are far more comparable to their PC counterparts than ever before. I know Sony will get the parts much closer to cost, but that is still going to be far more pricey than what they used with the PS4. The Ryzen 3 line smoked the consoles and were around $100. Now we are talking Zen 2, probably something close to what will be the Ryzen 5 3500X. The middle of the road 8 core / 16 thread chip. That CPU will probably retail for around $150-$180. That already makes the profit margins suuuper thin when compared to the jaguar cost. Then we are talking more expensive RAM, ssd's, custom audio, not to mention a GPU that needs to rival a RTX 2070 at least for any of this next gen stuff to be worth it.

When the chips used in consoles were more custom, it was more difficult to gauge cost and performance. Now that AMD is pretty much throwing PC parts in the boxes, it's far easier to make a ballpark assumption about what to expect. Well for everyone excpet @ronvalencia that is

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#31 DarthBuzzard
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The biggest new feature here is the audio chip, which is a really important thing for VR. Can't wait to have spatialized audio standarlized in gaming.

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#32 pmanden
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@zmanbarzel: ... And the PS5 will be able to play 8K movies. But forget about true 8K gaming with raytracing. But I am sure Sony will market the "8k feature" as heavily as possible.

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#33 FinalFighters
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No way is it going to support 8k games. probably just 8k video output for streaming services like Netflix, etc

i also hope they add liquid cooling to the PS5. im tired of my PS4 sounding like a jet engine everytime i play games

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#34 Pedro
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@goldenelementxl said:

@Pedro: The PC equivalent CPU will be the midrange Ryzen 5. That kinda spooks me on the price. The current consoles are using CPUs that are super cheap. If we are beefing up the CPU, going 8+ tflops, GDDR6 RAM, ssds, custom audio chips... Get ready folks

Get ready for more hype than actual real world performance. This is midgen upgrade 2.0 with a faster CPU.

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#35  Edited By UssjTrunks
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8K displays aren't even out. 4K isn't even the standard yet (the RTX 2080 TI can barely run games in 4K at a respectable frame rate). This is just marketing nonsense. Or the console is coming out in a decade.

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#36 Shewgenja
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@Chutebox: From Cerny himself.

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#37  Edited By jeezers
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BC is good, dont care about the rest, i dont even have a 4k tv yet lol

i wont be upgrading until 2-3 years into next gen most likely

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#38 Shewgenja
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@Pedro: Please try to politick your narratives at least to half-ass if you're going to do it. This isnt just a faster chip and I'm pretty sure you are perfectly well aware of that.

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#39  Edited By ZmanBarzel
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@UssjTrunks said:

8K displays aren't even out. 4K isn't even the standard yet (the RTX 2080 TI can barely run games in 4K at a respectable frame rate). This is just marketing nonsense. Or the console is coming out in a decade.

Would you like yours delivered by Thursday, or wait until next week when you can get delivery plus installation?

Sure, prices are high now, but as we saw with 4K TVs, they fall quickly.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

You're calling the guy developing the console a liar?

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#41 R4gn4r0k
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

You're calling the guy developing the console a liar?

Yeah anyone claiming 8K for next gen consoles is obviously a liar.

How much do you think a PC with 8K, ray tracing support and SSD costs?

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@R4gn4r0k said:

My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

but it's official from Cerny himself

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#43 pdogg93
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I am pumped! Considering how successful the PS4 has been and how amazing the games for it look, I have full confidence that the ps5 will be a monster.

Lems on the other hand can look forward to the Xbox SAD. Lol!!

TLHBO per usual

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#44 Zero_epyon
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

My predictions:

Backwards compatible: No

8k: Nope

raytracing support: No, or on an insanely basic level

SSD standard: Nope

You're calling the guy developing the console a liar?

Yeah anyone claiming 8K for next gen consoles is obviously a liar.

How much do you think a PC with 8K, ray tracing support and SSD costs?

It will support 8k. Not render native 8K. Much like the Xbox One S supports 4K TVs but it still renders ~1080p.

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#45 GoldenElementXL
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@zmanbarzel: I had my eyes on that 85” Q900 but couldn’t bring myself to spend $15,000 on a TV. I went with a peasant 4K 85” Sony 900F instead.

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Too expensive if I have a true interpretation.

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Loving this, this is amazing. Time to save my pennies.

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I see all the PC gamers with their radical specs here are getting worried, they are shaking in their boots XD

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@Shewgenja said:

@Pedro: Please try to politick your narratives at least to half-ass if you're going to do it. This isnt just a faster chip and I'm pretty sure you are perfectly well aware of that.

I am not the one who is making midgen 2.0 with faster CPU for the next console iteration. Take your complaints to the Sony (also Microsoft) not me.

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#50 dxmcat
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@davillain- said:

I see all the PC gamers with their radical specs here are getting worried, they are shaking in their boots XD

Nah I dont really care when McDonalds announces a new menu item.