Is Piracy Stealing?

In no way shape or form, of the idea of theft, is piracy even remotly related to stealing. Piracy is stealing in the same sense that walking is stealing from car companies...

Thankfully I live in Canada where I don't have to hear about this debate often since piracy is legal.

If a man steals an item from somebody's home, then sells it, is that buyer a thief? Obviously not. The thieves are those who take the property and offer it for others to download.

Yes

Hypothetically Speaking: If I kill somebody by stealing his/her head you should call me a thief and not a murderer. NerubianWeaver

Honestly I dont think so. I mean sure for some artists it could be worse than others but there is more ways for them to get revenue than album sales.

I want to add that I think its ridiculous how big a deal we make of piracy in the States, but then again we make a big deal about every little thing.

"Hey lets have some 13 yr girl pay 12 Million for 10 songs she illegally downloaded!"

Thanks Lars, you sparked the most moronic thing ever.

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Sharing that with your friends on the other hand is unauthorized distribution of said material, which is illegal. Many European countries think of it like this: You can not be potentially prosecuted for accepting unauthorized copies of something, but making more copies of that and giving them to all of your friends is illegal. Selling them to friends is even worse.

But the fact remains that the company has not lost a dime. You do not own the money gained from a sale until it is sold. If you stole a physical copy of the CD from a store, then you are robbing the companies of the jewel case costs, printing of the booklets, buying and burning of the discs and various other costs. That's money the company had to pay to get the CD released. Now that's theft. Someone buying the CD, ripping the data off it and then uploading it to the internet and millions of people downloading it has actually gained the company whatever money it cost to make the CD. Potential sales are gone, but the sales aren't technically theirs yet.

Its called piracy. So yeah. /thread

kidsmelly

Stealing is taking something, piracy is making a copy of it.

There's a massive difference between me stealing your television and getting the blueprint and making an exact replica.

Though obviously piracy isn't right, I'm just saying it's not stealing.

It's clearly not stealing but it's still wrong.

Its called piracy. So yeah. /thread

kidsmelly

I don't think so.

Well you are taking someone's labor without compensation. If your boss didn't pay you for your labor....what would you consider that?LJS9502_basic

You steal value from a company, so yes it is stealing.horgen123

You steal value from a company, so yes it is stealing.horgen123

Well you are taking someone's labor without compensation. If your boss didn't pay you for your labor....what would you consider that?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well you are taking someone's labor without compensation. If your boss didn't pay you for your labor....what would you consider that?T_P_O

It's clearly not stealing but it's still wrong.

MushroomWig

I'm gonna go to best buy with my laptop, take a cd off the shelf, open it up, stick it in my laptops drive and rip it, put the cd back on the shelf and walk out. Was that stealing or not?

racer8dan

lets throw another example out there. Lets say I made a movie, and I was selling it on my website for $100, this movie is ONLY available on my website via pay and download, no dvd's no other place to get except for my website and my website only. Now someone wants my movie but $100 is way to much to pay so he finds away around paying via hack and downloads it for free. Is this an act of theft?

racer8dan

That's breach of contractmarkop2003

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well you are taking someone's labor without compensation. If your boss didn't pay you for your labor....what would you consider that?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] That's a contractual dispute, not theft or stealing at all.

T_P_O

The intentions behind the two are the exact same, so the only context in which I pay any attention to differences is the legal context.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ever hear of theft of service?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ever hear of theft of service?LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"] What you described previously was a breach of contract, not theft of service.T_P_O

It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....LJS9502_basic

Dude, he's not a mexican.

In no way shape or form, of the idea of theft, is piracy even remotly related to stealing. Piracy is stealing in the same sense that walking is stealing from car companies...

Thankfully I live in Canada where I don't have to hear about this debate often since piracy is legal.

htekemerald

:lol: .

Not laughing at you, but with you as you brought up a good debate.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....Bitter_Altmer

Dude, he's not a mexican.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

In no way shape or form, of the idea of theft, is piracy even remotly related to stealing. Piracy is stealing in the same sense that walking is stealing from car companies...

Thankfully I live in Canada where I don't have to hear about this debate often since piracy is legal.

dercoo

:lol: .

Not laughing at you, but with you as you brought up a good debate.

It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....LJS9502_basic

Dude, he's not a mexican.

It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....and 15 didn't pay you...would you want compensation for what is legally yours? Yes or no?LJS9502_basic

Yeah, but I'd try to go through the civil courts for damages (breach of contract, implied, verbal, written, etc. They're employing me) firstly and not the criminal courts for theft of services.

I don't think theft of services would work with piracy either.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....and 15 didn't pay you...would you want compensation for what is legally yours? Yes or no?T_P_O

I don't think theft of services would work with piracy either.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It was a question.....that said....if you mowed one hundred yards in one day....and 15 didn't pay you...would you want compensation for what is legally yours? Yes or no?LJS9502_basic

I don't think theft of services would work with piracy either.

DON'T SAY YOU WOULDN'T, BECAUSE YOU REALLY WOULD

Okay. So you agree that someone not compensating your for what you are legally entitled to would be wrong. Copyrights are legal protections under the law as to remuneration. How do you use a double standard to justify piracy then? Both cases are only legal in nature.LJS9502_basic

I'm not justifying it at all, just saying that piracy (ie, copyright infringement) probably isn't going to be a theft/theft of service case. Where on earth have I tried to justify it? Because I think it's not legally stealing or theft?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Okay. So you agree that someone not compensating your for what you are legally entitled to would be wrong. Copyrights are legal protections under the law as to remuneration. How do you use a double standard to justify piracy then? Both cases are only legal in nature.T_P_O

I'm not justifying it at all, just saying that piracy (ie, copyright infringement) probably isn't going to be a theft/theft of service case. Where on earth have I tried to justify it? Because I think it's not legally stealing or theft?

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Okay. So you agree that someone not compensating your for what you are legally entitled to would be wrong. Copyrights are legal protections under the law as to remuneration. How do you use a double standard to justify piracy then? Both cases are only legal in nature.LJS9502_basic

I'm not justifying it at all, just saying that piracy (ie, copyright infringement) probably isn't going to be a theft/theft of service case. Where on earth have I tried to justify it? Because I think it's not legally stealing or theft?

Then why would you engage in an argument when I asked users that are pro piracy if they would like to not be compensated?

I didn't see the relation to piracy either with your first example. So I said what was on my mind.

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I'm not justifying it at all, just saying that piracy (ie, copyright infringement) probably isn't going to be a theft/theft of service case. Where on earth have I tried to justify it? Because I think it's not legally stealing or theft?T_P_O

Then why would you engage in an argument when I asked users that are pro piracy if they would like to not be compensated?

I didn't see the relation to piracy either with your first example. So I said what was on my mind.

I don't recall the word piracy being in my initial post dude. So the assumption would have been on your part. I'm careful of the words I choose.;)

Is Piracy Stealing? Can it be classified as Theft. DiscussNerubianWeaver

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Then why would you engage in an argument when I asked users that are pro piracy if they would like to not be compensated?LJS9502_basic

I didn't see the relation to piracy either with your first example. So I said what was on my mind.

I don't recall the word piracy being in my initial post dude. So the assumption would have been on your part. I'm careful of the words I choose.;)

Yeah, I never disputed the illegality of copyright infringement though, did I? I've only sought to clarify the law within your examples or if you want to call it a question, then I was seeking to clarify the law within your question.

And well, it's a thread about piracy, I'm obviously assuming your post is to do with piracy, otherwise it's off-topic and carries the possibility of derailing the thread (ie, now.)

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"] I did it because you firstly gave an example that would be a contractual dispute between employee-employer, then you said it could be theft of service. I'm just trying to clarify the law within those examples.

I didn't see the relation to piracy either with your first example. So I said what was on my mind.

T_P_O

I don't recall the word piracy being in my initial post dude. So the assumption would have been on your part. I'm careful of the words I choose.;)

Yeah, I never disputed the illegality of copyright infringement though, did I? I've only sought to clarify the law within your examples or if you want to call it a question, then I was seeking to clarify the law within your question.

And well, it's a thread about piracy, I'm obviously assuming your post is to do with piracy, otherwise it's off-topic and carries the possibility of derailing the thread (ie, now.)

To those saying it doesn't hurt the company's, lets say they found a magic way to stop piracy %100 and that the only way to get the media was to get it legitimately, would the company's sales drop, remain the same or go up? It has no choice but to go up, which means if there was no more piracy and someone figures out a way to bring piracy back, the company profits have no choice but to go down. Which means piracy IS costing the company's.

To those saying it doesn't hurt the company's, lets say they found a magic way to stop piracy %100 and that the only way to get the media was to get it legitimately, would the company's sales drop, remain the same or go up? It has no choice but to go up, which means if there was no more piracy and someone figures out a way to bring piracy back, the company profits have no choice but to go down. Which means piracy IS costing the company's.

racer8dan