To be honest I'm not really a fan of them coming out screaming BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY when they'll probably only have a few key titles and loads of indies available soon. I feel like their strategically only going to give us what's popular and in high demand, but will miss out on loads of mid-tier games that were made before 2010 (you know, the 'bulk' of the system), so I'll evitably have to keep ahold of a spare 360 for the road. A nice attempt to gain back customer trust, but not for collectors such as myself. Will they even play at 1:1 quality with no hit in graphics/performance? I heard their supposed to scale some games but I dunno..when you don't run it native sometime it ends up screwy. But I could be wrong so I'll reserve my judgement for now.

SSX and Red Dead Redemption sound nice.

Ah yes that would get me on board. But with only one lolli in game it might flop?

Has anyone done a teardown to see exactly what harddrive their using for the elite console?

Sounds like a winner to me. I just wish they put the hybrid drive into the Halo console, as I normally try to pick up limited stuff. But it sounds like this Elite console is limited, in a way. or do you think they will start including this hybrid drive into future consoles? Serious question becuase I can wait until Gears 4 comes out if they would actually put it in the limited console. I have enough PC games to last me until then. What do you think? I don't particularly have to have the elite controller..but being a PC gamer I've been spoiled by fast load times so anything that helps in that department is good.

I don't understand either. Why the hell is MS putting all these bundles out? Are they trying to fool the public into thinking their something special? All I see are too many generic bundles. They need to put energy into games!! If their going to give us a special Halo console then give us something better than that, with 2 special controllers and an ACTUAL game disc! They did it before with the Gears 360 so don't tell me they can't do it again. Thumbs down on all fronts if you ask me. Sorry if I come across as anti-MS because I'm not. I use nothing but windows since 3.1/95 and have about 80 original Xbox and 360 games (major exclusives and not on pc) but so far color me unimpressed with this generation.

Okay. So how do you think an external 7200rpm drive, or for example a western digital 'my passport' compare to this hybrid drive that's in the elite console? Should give a similar performance or is that hybrid drive going to be superior? While we're at it why in the world can I not change the harddrive in 2015? That's probably off-topic and up for debate in another thread sorry.

I would like to know this too. Forgive me for my ignorance but can I swap out the harddrive for that 1tb hybrid drive? I want to make my own 'Elite' console. If not, as previously asked I'd like to know if any of these new bundles include the hybrid drive for better performance? It would make sense for their Halo edition Xbox to have it. But I'm thinking not. Oh well I've always liked Gears better anyway so I may just wait until Gears 4 drops next year and buy a limited console with *possibly* that hybrid drive installed. Thoughts?

I just can't trust buying games off XBLA..when who knows how long they'll be around and you can't even put them on more than one console at a time!! WTF is that? I had this conversation before and SolidTy came in and said I couldn't have my XBLA games on a 2nd Xbox 360. I know I'm talking about last gen but it's still on topic. What was the point in me going out and buying another Xbox 360 (for backup purpose) when I can't even do just that..backup? Does MS expect consumers console to last for decades or something?

The One hour to play > Never being able to play logic is interesting, and holds some merit. However.. I'm still able to whip out my SNES and Cube games, for example, and play them today by just popping them in. Sure, they may have been better with a patch here and there but at the end of the day most of those games are complete and enjoyable to play today.

Now the question that I have is.. it's inevitable that one day Sony and MS will pull the plug on our current consoles, and when that happens how will people then seeking out older consoles (now PS4,X1) be able to buy games and enjoy them? If these games have bugs that NEED patches, then how will they go about it? I know the common answer is "We'll worry about it then" and "Don't worry Microsoft has you covered". That doesn't tell me anything.. it only makes me worry. I don't think PC gaming will have this problem since games tend to survive and once their patched their good to go. For instance you can buy a fully up-to-date copy of (insert game from 90s or even modern titles like Far Cry 2) from outlets such as Gog.com and I imagine they'll be there forever(ish).

This is why I was looking forward to the Playstation Now service. I don't like the fact that it's basically a rental service, but if Sony can streamline this for the future and keep this ONE service active for the long run then it's the next best thing to Steam. This is assuming that once you buy titles then your allowed to download at will and store on your future consoles harddrive until it dies. Something like that I dunno. Maybe I'm just crazy?