[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] And the liberal media has done a fine job in convincing the american populace that Ron Paul is extreme. Which is the exact reason why he will never get elected.surrealnumber5
Ahh, but would you vote for him if it was him and Obama?droid is a strong obama supporter...... And who would you vote for between those two and why?
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Ron Paul is too extreme for the general public to vote for him. I like how you just regurgitated what the terrified liberal media has been spouting for months. Is he too extreme for you to vote for? Because up until recently I might have been considered part of the "general public" And the liberal media has done a fine job in convincing the american populace that Ron Paul is extreme. Which is the exact reason why he will never get elected. Ahh, but would you vote for him if it was him and Obama?
The liberal media is certainly dreading the possibility that Ron Paul might have a shot at the nomination. Their strategy is just to say he has absolutely no chance. Unfortunately conservative talk show hosts are in bed with the mainstream republican party, and they won't help him out either.
I do believe Ron Paul would have a chance against Obama. I can just imagine him standing next to that telepromter reading loser Obama. He would shine. I feel a geunine good heartendenss when Ron Paul talks. I had to study myself before I realized how much of this war-mongering is a joke. Turns out Ron Paul is spot on. I like Gingrich, but I just don't know... The beauty of Ron Paul is that where he really differentiates himself from Obama is on the economy. That could be a wonderful thing.
DroidPhysX
Ron Paul is too extreme for the general public to vote for him. I like how you just regurgitated what the terrified liberal media has been spouting for months. Is he too extreme for you to vote for? Because up until recently I might have been considered part of the "general public"
The liberal media is certainly dreading the possibility that Ron Paul might have a shot at the nomination. Their strategy is just to say he has absolutely no chance. Unfortunately conservative talk show hosts are in bed with the mainstream republican party, and they won't help him out either.
I do believe Ron Paul would have a chance against Obama. I can just imagine him standing next to that telepromter reading loser Obama. He would shine. I feel a geunine good heartendenss when Ron Paul talks. I had to study myself before I realized how much of this war-mongering is a joke. Turns out Ron Paul is spot on. I like Gingrich, but I just don't know... The beauty of Ron Paul is that where he really differentiates himself from Obama is on the economy. That could be a wonderful thing.
Wether he does or doesn't exist, it makes no difference in the way I see religion.
It's actually quite simple, because religious views are learned it is not possible that God makes a difference between different religious views for the sole reason that people can't control where they grow up and what they are taught. Furtheremore if he does exist, he would without doubt dissaprove of those who portray other religious views as bad. Their intent to follow the will of god is the same, their perception of the will of god is simpy different.
rastotm
I believe there is one God, and one true church. There is also the Devil who's only joy is to make people miserable like himself. Therefore he tempts people to make them unhappy. Consider this: by tempting people to change the bible (maybe for their own personal gain) he has caused millions to question it and turn away from God. He is directly opposed to anything God does, so of course he would try to corrupt the word of God. Even though I believe there is only one true religion, I also respect other religions because they have pieces of truth, but somewhere along the line the devil corrupted that truth. That does not make members of that religion bad people (unless they strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent people). It simply means that they don't have the whole truth.
So if God knows everything that is going to happen then everything that happens has been predetermined. If that's the case then free will doesn't exist.
worlock77
Just because you know your friend well enough to know he is going to make a stupid decision and go to jail doesn't mean he couldn't have made the right choice.
Me knowing that my friend is an idiot and does idiotic things is a bit different from some mystical being knowing exactly every event that will happen for billions of years. Beside, you said "plan", that God has a great plan in motion. I don't plan for my idiot friend to do idiotic things, he just does them since he's an idiot.
Ok, but you might plan to help him after he's out of jail. God doesn't just know you pretty good. I believe he is literally the father of your spirit. He had billions of years to get to know you real well. It's tricky to try and imagine what a perfect being is like, because he has some serious advantages over the rest of us. God operates on a higher level. Also I don't believe in a Hell per-say, but a place of misery for people who knowingly oppose God, even after they have proof. Everyone else would receive varying degrees of glory.
There is really no reason to believe in a god of any sort outside of what a book and groups of people tell you. There has been no physical evidence of miracles ever in the history of man, and everything we have replicated with science and the right conditions has shown us time and time again a lot of crazy stuff can happen when the elements are just right.
Outside of a book there is no reason to believe a god created anything. The only real evidence needed is physical evidence. Unless some event occurs which cannot be explained or replicated in any way, there is no reason to believe a god exists.
worlock77
Ahh, this is why I have faith. God is real, and he works through natural means. He doesn't need some black hole to open up to make his will happen on Earth. Imagine Earth as a great plan he has had in motion for billions of years. He can plan for natural events, and plan for miracles. This is the part where people say, well then I don't really have a choice, but in truth you do. Imagine God is your best friend. He knows you so well, that he knows what you are going to do next. He knows what everything and everyone is going to do next, so he plans for it. He truly is all powerful and all knowing.
So if God knows everything that is going to happen then everything that happens has been predetermined. If that's the case then free will doesn't exist.
Just because you know your friend well enough to know he is going to make a stupid decision and go to jail doesn't mean he couldn't have made the right choice.
I'm an atheist but I was raised as a Christan. It's not really the fact that we can't prove that god exists that makes me an atheist. We also can't prove that god doesn't exist either so I find it funny when other atheists pull that card. So I don't demand any proof of god.
I'm an atheist because religion in general sounds like a fairy tale to me. A fairy tale that many of us are raised to believe and we end up not knowing anything else. When it comes to Christianity I'm not very keen on following a 2000 year old book that has most likely been altered a LOT from the original texts by the Romans and what not. We live in such a little fragment of humanity, how do you KNOW the bible is true and so is you're god?
DigitalExile
The problem with that is "the burdon of proof". If I say "there's a cupcake on this table" I have to prove to you that there is a cupcake there. If you can't see it, touch it, or smell it, and I have no evidence at all that it's there then you have every right to conclude that there is no cupcake. The problem with you saying athiests "pull that card" is that it's like me saying "prove this cupcake doesn't exist" without putting a cupcake on the table. You can't prove it doesn't exist if it's not there to disprove. If you say "there's nothing there to disprove" you just get told it IS there and that it's up to you to disprove it's not there even though you have no evidence to suggest it's there to disprove. It's not a card. It's logic. And that's the beauty of God and religion. It bypasses logic. God (for arguments sake) doesn't exist, therefore He can't be disproven, which means He also can't be proven, which means He can't be disproved; it's a circle where nothing gets done but the people who believe in the nothing get away with it because there's no contradictory evidence to suggest anything else. Even now I'm going around in circles. :P
btw I'm not being offensive by saying it bypasses logic (imperial/tangible evidence) or by calling it nothing (no physical presence).
Can I just say, it is possible to prove to yourself God exists. Everyone could find out for themselves if they wanted. "Ask and ye shall recieve, knock and it shall be opened unto you."
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