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#1 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] A baby at the age of 5 years and one at 6 years are structurally and anatomically homologous, a zygote isn't to a human. Notice how a 6 year old and 5 year old look the same, and a zygote or early developing embryo looks nothing like it? Human-after-all

I find this zygote argument to be rather pointless due to the fact that you don't even know you are pregnant when the baby is a zygote. Many women don't even realize they are pregnant until the baby has a heartbeat.

That is untrue. My friend was getting severe nausea / vomiting a couple of weeks in, she decided to check and hello. Then she got an abortion so she's also a murder.

It isn't a zygote very long. I'm sure by the time it was a fetus by the time she had her abortion.
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#2 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

How is a zygote or undeveloped embryo a baby? Babies are human infants, one's that mother's have given birth to.

HoolaHoopMan

The same way a 5 years and 3 months old kid is to a 6 year old kid:|

A baby at the age of 5 years and one at 6 years are structurally and anatomically homologous, a zygote isn't to a human. Notice how a 6 year old and 5 year old look the same, and a zygote or early developing embryo looks nothing like it?

I find this zygote argument to be rather pointless due to the fact that you don't even know you are pregnant when the baby is a zygote. Many women don't even realize they are pregnant until the baby has a heartbeat.
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#3 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]

[QUOTE="bobaban"] So what are you saying? That everyone needs to do what you've done? All you have is an opinion on what is right and wrong. If the mom wants to keep the rape-baby that is completely fine. But if she wants to abort it that is also fine. This is about freedom, freedom of choice. legend26

No, if she wants to abort that is not fine. It is not the babys fault that their father raped their mother to produce them. Nor is it the mothers fault, but thats why there are adoption agencies. To end a life that doesnt have a say if it wants to be ended or not is the utmost wrong. Sorry if you disagree with me but thats really how i feel.

So every women should live with the spawn of the man who RAPED them, they must everyday of their lives remeber the day they were violated just becuase "oh well i cant kill a baby" Im sorry but that is absolutley selfish and horrible. going through that birth would be like getting raped again.

Just becuase you dont agree with it dosent mean others cant do what they want. Like the poster before said its about FREEDOM OF CHOICE, not letting them have that freedom is a direct violation of their civil rights.

Why do we even have laws! Lets just let everyone do whatever they feel like, and we'll see how long humanity stays around :)
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#4 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="MisterG333"] You realize women's lives can be completely ruined (socially, physically, and financially) by being raped followed by pregnancy? Isn't it better to save a possible useful life then a cluster of cells?Human-after-all

I know all about how a life can change after you have been molested, or raped... Yea. I realize. And you know what? The pain of being raped wont go away after having the baby, which can be "gotten rid of" via giving it up for adoption. ...And the county will most likely pay for the baby to be born/all the hospital bills associated with pregnancy.

Once again why should a child have to give birth from an event she had absolutely no control over? I just don't see your point of view on condemning someone for wanting an abortion from it. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion.

Ok, but because something bad happened to you does that justify killing life?
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#5 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="chester706"] Again. Good story, but why she imposes religion into it is beyond me. It hurts the cause and proves nothing.chester706
Maybe she believes god saved her to fight abortion?

Doesnt mean abortion is bad because of religion. Its just bad period. She can just mention the God part, the argument should not be based on it.

Well I think the god thing works pretty well because what, 70-80 percent of Americans identify as Christian.
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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] It was a what-if scenario, never said they can do it. I'm pretty certain you can check for genetic disorders, not sure how many if any pertain to future developments. Regardless it was a what-if. Human-after-all

What if you had to decide to kill a child, yet this little voice kept telling you not to, and you did it anyways. Then you found out everything would have been completely fine? I wonder how you would feel. Yes you can check for genetic disorders. And no it is not 100% accurate every time.

Ah, stop getting so damn touchy it was a simple question in a gray area. I have never heard of chromosomes being "inaccurate"....if there isn't anything wrong.

Well, its not the chromosomes that are lying, its just impossible to make the test work perfectly every time.
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#7 Darkainious
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I don't see how it is anyone's business if someone wants to get an abortion but the person wanting to get the abortion (and the father). Everyone else involved in trying to tell them what they can and can't do are just basically trying to tell others how to live their lives. You aren't perfect so stop trying to force your views on others.testfactor888
Ok, so what if I don't think people should be allowed to drink and drive because it endangers lives. I know it is such a troubling inconvenience for them, so I guess I shouldn't force my beliefs onto them. We'll just let the police get some sleep, and let them kill innocent people and everyone will be happy :)
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#8 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"]

I'm sure it hard to think of these situations and try and think what you would do under the circumstances. I am curious.

What if you were married, was raped by some guy and pregnant with his baby, not your husbands?

What if you were 14 or 15 and were raped by some guy and pregnant with his baby?

What if your baby had a definite debilitating disease that would absolutely cripple him/her 10 years down the road?

Human-after-all

There is no way at this point in time to be 100% sure that a baby will have a debilitating disease, or that it will be stillborn. You cannot know for certain until the child is born. The test they perform isn't correct every time. I know of a woman who found out that her baby's spine was forming outside the back. She went back to the clinic two weeks later after being emotionally traumatized, and found out that the baby was fine.

It was a what-if scenario, never said they can do it. I'm pretty certain you can check for genetic disorders, not sure how many if any pertain to future developments. Regardless it was a what-if.

What if you had to decide to kill a child, yet this little voice kept telling you not to, and you did it anyways. Then you found out everything would have been completely fine? I wonder how you would feel. Yes you can check for genetic disorders. And no it is not 100% accurate every time.

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#9 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="Darkainious"]

Here's a good pro-life videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ

chester706
Again. Good story, but why she imposes religion into it is beyond me. It hurts the cause and proves nothing.

Maybe she believes god saved her to fight abortion?
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#10 Darkainious
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"]

I'm sure it hard to think of these situations and try and think what you would do under the circumstances. I am curious.

What if you were married, was raped by some guy and pregnant with his baby, not your husbands?

What if you were 14 or 15 and were raped by some guy and pregnant with his baby?

What if your baby had a definite debilitating disease that would absolutely cripple him/her 10 years down the road?

bobaban

To answer your questions, I have been raped, and did get pregnant from said rape. I had a miscarriage. I was not going to abort the baby, but was considering giving it for adoption, through an agency where I could pick the adoptive parents. (yes those exist.) Also, I was molested growing up, and if i got pregnant at that time id have done what i did when i was raped - if the baby would live. And if i were to get pregnant again, and found out my baby could have a disease down the road - yes i would have the baby. I would raise it best I could and get every bit of help i could to raise the baby. Why? Cause you never know when there may be a cure, or if the doctors were wrong.

So what are you saying? That everyone needs to do what you've done? All you have is an opinion on what is right and wrong. If the mom wants to keep the rape-baby that is completely fine. But if she wants to abort it that is also fine. This is about freedom, freedom of choice.

But what about the babies choice? Oh yeah, they can't say anything yet. What about their rights. They have the potential to become a contributing human being. What if you killed the baby that would have turned into the person who found the cure for cancer, all because it was inconvenient for the mother? You should watch this abortion video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ