Playstation Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

I think this thread settles an argument had over sw for a long time, when sony said they count ps3 sales as sold to consumers people used to always go how sony could never track that and they were lying, but since its okay for kinect, i guess it is for the ps3 too, so that 41 million is sold to consumers, not shipped.TintedEyes

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I think this thread settles an argument had over sw for a long time, when sony said they count ps3 sales as sold to consumers people used to always go how sony could never track that and they were lying, but since its okay for kinect, i guess it is for the ps3 too, so that 41 million is sold to consumers, not shipped.tbolt76

this says they always count ps3 install base in the hands of consumers

http://spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

the move wins as expected. the gap is tooo wide the kinect cant catch up ever

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]Lems definitely got owned here no question.waltefmoney

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]Lems definitely got owned here no question.Messiahbolical-

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

no its not, because sony hasnt sold 4.1 mil, and most people probably bought 2 controllers so they could play games that require 2 controllers or if they want 2 people to play at the same time

motion is the future don't like it stop gaming

I really like The Move a lot. I have a battle rifle on it's way for games like Socom 4, Killzone 3, and The Shoot. I already have The Eagle 3 hand gun and love it.

motion is the future don't like it stop gaming

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="tbolt76"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I think this thread settles an argument had over sw for a long time, when sony said they count ps3 sales as sold to consumers people used to always go how sony could never track that and they were lying, but since its okay for kinect, i guess it is for the ps3 too, so that 41 million is sold to consumers, not shipped.TintedEyes

this says they always count ps3 install base in the hands of consumers

http://spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]Damn that's a lot, and people said it would flop. ha ha. For reference Kinect is at 2.5 million.AncientDozer

So if PS3 is just a couple million behind 360 with that year head start it is actually in 2nd not 3rd?

See what I did thar? ;)

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

gamer-adam1

no its not, because sony hasnt sold 4.1 mil, and most people probably bought 2 controllers so they could play games that require 2 controllers or if they want 2 people to play at the same time

Too bad it SHIPPED and didn't SELL 4.1 million.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

And don't give me any nonsense saying that SHIPPED =s SOLD, because Sony corrected themselves AGAIN!

Kinect is killing Move.

Too bad it SHIPPED and didn't SELL 4.1 million.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

And don't give me any nonsense saying that SHIPPED =s SOLD, because Sony corrected themselves AGAIN!

Kinect is killing Move.

KaoSXFACTOR

The worst thing is Kinect required 500mill of advertising to reach 2.5mill... there's the real difference...

If it cost $56 to make each Kinect, then they need to sell 8,928,572 units to start profiting, thats base cost of sales hitting that figure to recover just the advertising costs and not counting the inevitable breakages and returns so it's gonna quite a while until they begin to see a dime back from the investment.

So Move does about as well as Kinect even without an laughable amount of money in ads? :S How exactly is it counted exactly? One Move or one Navi = 1 sale or how does it work?

the move wins as expected. the gap is tooo wide the kinect cant catch up ever

_SWAG_

Awe gotta love the lemming rationalization. :P

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

the move wins as expected. the gap is tooo wide the kinect cant catch up ever

kyacat

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] When you take in account the fact that Sony didn't spend a half a billion dollars on advertising Move like Microsoft did Kinect, that's some pretty big ownage..nervmeister

no its not, because sony hasnt sold 4.1 mil, and most people probably bought 2 controllers so they could play games that require 2 controllers or if they want 2 people to play at the same time

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/sony-playstation-move-reaches-4-1-million-in-worldwide-sales/

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1137413p1.html

I could keep posting sites alll day

Too bad it SHIPPED and didn't SELL 4.1 million.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

And don't give me any nonsense saying that SHIPPED =s SOLD, because Sony corrected themselves AGAIN!

Kinect is killing Move.

KaoSXFACTOR

apparently alot of people here believe 4.1 is sold to customers :( even though Sony themselves said that isnt the number sold to customers. I guess they need something to get over GT5 flopping

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

no its not, because sony hasnt sold 4.1 mil, and most people probably bought 2 controllers so they could play games that require 2 controllers or if they want 2 people to play at the same time

gamer-adam1

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/sony-playstation-move-reaches-4-1-million-in-worldwide-sales/

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1137413p1.html

I could keep posting sites alll day

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]And the link to prove it is.....mystervj

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/sony-playstation-move-reaches-4-1-million-in-worldwide-sales/

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1137413p1.html

I could keep posting sites alll day

it proves that the number is sold to retailers, not customers, which this whole topic is about how many units Move have sold, and its not 4.1 because sony said so themselves, retail is different from customers.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smaller

"which didn't count standalone sales of the PlayStation Eye camera or the Move navigation controller in its total."

Surprised this....thing is so successful.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smallergamer-adam1

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/sony-ships-4-1-million-playstation-move-controllers-to-retailers/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/sony-playstation-move-reaches-4-1-million-in-worldwide-sales/

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1137413p1.html

I could keep posting sites alll day

gamer-adam1

it proves that the number is sold to retailers, not customers, which this whole topic is about how many units Move have sold, and its not 4.1 because sony said so themselves, retail is different from customers.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smaller

I'm curious how exactly Microsoft derives sell-through figures?

There is no worldwide sell-through tracker.

Also, I don't see why people are touting the success of these things as good, all it means is that it's time to hunker down for the shovelware deluge.

[QUOTE="kyacat"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

the move wins as expected. the gap is tooo wide the kinect cant catch up ever

hexashadow13

Have people forgotten about the year gap between the release of the consoles. If PS3 released first, it would be way ahead of 360, no doubt.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=278463

Sony has said it's sold over 4.1 million PlayStation Move motion controllers worldwide in two months.

Keep in mind, Move has many controller layouts.

Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] Ur link proved nothing of your claim. We already know it is sold to retailer data. Your gonna need to elaborate on the 2 controller part.mystervj

it proves that the number is sold to retailers, not customers, which this whole topic is about how many units Move have sold, and its not 4.1 because sony said so themselves, retail is different from customers.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smaller

MS said 2.5 sold to customers, sony said 4.1 sold to retailers

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]Lems definitely got owned here no question.coasterguy65

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

Not to mention that each individual SKU for Move counts as a sale. So every Wand, every Nav controller, every starter pack, and every Eye counts as a Move sale.

Those Kinect numbers are even more impressive when you factor in most Move owners have bought at least two Wands. I know 1 person who owns 8 wands so he can have 4 players play together.

I'm curious how exactly Microsoft derives sell-through figures?

There is no worldwide sell-through tracker.

Also, I don't see why people are touting the success of these things as good, all it means is that it's time to hunker down for the shovelware deluge.

shinrabanshou

Lems definitely got owned here no question.TintedEyes

Three things;

1. Move has been out since September.

2. Sony stated that the 4.1 million is shipped, not sold.

3. Microsoft has stated (according to IGN, if you care to look it up) that their 2.5 million kinects are sold, not shipped. In 25 days.

So, no. I do not think the slower-selling of the Move has owned the Kinect. Not quite yet anyways.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

it proves that the number is sold to retailers, not customers, which this whole topic is about how many units Move have sold, and its not 4.1 because sony said so themselves, retail is different from customers.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smaller

MS said 2.5 sold to customers, sony said 4.1 sold to retailers

I've heard this regarding console sales from 360 fanboys as well. Do explain how Microsoft tracks worldwide sales from every retailer they've shipped to? I thought every company uses shipped to retailers...FlamesOfGrey

And I doubt Microsoft will answer me.

When Microsoft cites their tie ratio, based on sell-through, they specifically cite NPD.

None of this PR has any citation whatsoever.

It doesn't matter, neither will sell over 10 million during the lifespans of both consoles, each console has between 40-45 mil worldwide sales, that means that AT BEST 1/4th of the installed base will have this peripheral, after the frist 3 months the amount of well done motion control specific games will be very small and both of these system will have been deemed a waste of money.

An item MUST ship with a console from day 1 to truly become successful, add ons never really work out for the consumer.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

I'm curious how exactly Microsoft derives sell-through figures?

There is no worldwide sell-through tracker.

Also, I don't see why people are touting the success of these things as good, all it means is that it's time to hunker down for the shovelware deluge.

TintedEyes

What's weird about it? MS has chosen to speak about sell through numbers and made that clear. Sony has chosen to speak about shipped numbers, and when questioned has made that clear.

As far as sell through, that is not particularly difficult for a manufacturer to estimate shortly after launch of a new product, especially a well selling product by comparing initial shipments with reorder demand.

Sony previously announced 2.5 MM shipped. Now they are announcing 4.1 MM shipped. Consequently, it is reasonable to presume that they have sold at least 1.6 MM units sell through in the time interval between gathering/reporting those two numbers.

It is possible that those numbers could be off by a sizeable amount from either greater demand than expected so inventory on the shelves is actually decreasing or lesser demand than expected so inventory on the shelves is increasing. Sony would have an early indication of which case is true, or if demand is steady,by closely monitoring reorder volumes. Consequently, it would not be hard to estimate sell through volumes. Any marketing department of any reasonably sized product firm does this for a living on a weekly basis.

For a long time the Wii was in a situation where shipped = sell through, because you couldn't find them on the shelves anywhere. Nintendo knew exactly what was happening by monitoring reorder demand. They did not need NPD, MediaCreate etc to tell them this.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

it proves that the number is sold to retailers, not customers, which this whole topic is about how many units Move have sold, and its not 4.1 because sony said so themselves, retail is different from customers.

the 2 controller is, we don't know what sony is counting, because you got 3 types, the Move bundle, Move Controller, and Move sub controller, so IF the 4.1 includes all 3 than the real number of Move owners is alot smaller

gamer-adam1

MS said 2.5 sold to customers, sony said 4.1 sold to retailers

What's funny is that both Microsoft by releasing horribly unreliable hardware "Still Is" and the PS3 being Waay overpriced "Still Is" Little ole Nintendo kicked their butts and have changed console gaming forever.

At this point the PS3 and 360 are nearly clones of each other, after the holidays the Wii will have sold close to 80 million worldwide, this spring or summers Wii price drop to either 149 or 129 will really help it move into EVERY home, at this point it is a certain 100-120 million console.

What's funny is that both Microsoft by releasing horribly unreliable hardware "Still Is" and the PS3 being Waay overpriced "Still Is" Little ole Nintendo kicked their butts and have changed console gaming forever.

At this point the PS3 and 360 are nearly clones of each other, after the holidays the Wii will have sold close to 80 million worldwide, this spring or summers Wii price drop to either 149 or 129 will really help it move into EVERY home, at this point it is a certain 100-120 million console.

thomasward00

Right now me and my girlfriend are trying to get the Wii to move out of our home. Purchased it and only bought one game the entire time we've had it.

The Move was bought by 1 in 10 PlayStation Users. That's crazy impressive for just 90 days. And whoever up there thought the PS3 is still overpriced should try getting a job.

Serious gamers have PC's for adult games, actually the PS3 should be at 199 now, not to mention the Wii and 360 should be 149. With digital distribution Blu Ray won't be the hit that DVD was.

The PS3 or 360 will never hit a 80 million userbase.

The Move was bought by 1 in 10 PlayStation Users. That's crazy impressive for just 90 days. And whoever up there thought the PS3 is still overpriced should try getting a job.

gamerfan85

There will still be very, very few move or Kinect specific games.

[QUOTE="gamerfan85"]

The Move was bought by 1 in 10 PlayStation Users. That's crazy impressive for just 90 days. And whoever up there thought the PS3 is still overpriced should try getting a job.

thomasward00

There will still be very, very few move or Kinect specific games.

As far as I'm concerned there don't need to be. I want to see subtle, limited integration in mainstream games (when it's appropriate and doesn't feel shoehorned in). Really I just like it for being an HD Wii at this point and that's enough for the first year.