Playstation Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Good grief. There are three Move SKUs. The standalone wand. The starter pack. And the console bundle.

These are what constitute the 4.1 million units.

The navigation controller and PlayStation Eye sales aren't counted.

People need to learn to read.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Isn't that what Sony announced. Sony said 4.1 million without "stand-alone PlayStation Eye camera or stand-alone PlayStation Move navigation controller shipments", each wand does constitute a sell after all.

vaderhater

I believe it only includesMove controller SKUs, not standalone Wands + "the other controller unit".

I have to say that this is the most entertained I've ever been on system wars.

But back to the topic, I don't see this "proof" you're talking about.

Good grief. There are three Move SKUs. The standalone wand. The starter pack. And the console bundle.

These are what constitute the 4.1 million units.

The navigation controller and PlayStation Eye sales aren't counted.

People need to learn to read.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I believe it only includesMove controller SKUs, not standalone Wands + "the other controller unit".

ownage_denied

I have to say that this is the most entertained I've ever been on system wars.

But back to the topic, I don't see this "proof" you're talking about.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Good grief. There are three Move SKUs. The standalone wand. The starter pack. And the console bundle.

These are what constitute the 4.1 million units.

The navigation controller and PlayStation Eye sales aren't counted.

People need to learn to read.

themyth01

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Good grief. There are three Move SKUs. The standalone wand. The starter pack. And the console bundle.

These are what constitute the 4.1 million units.

The navigation controller and PlayStation Eye sales aren't counted.

People need to learn to read.

ownage_denied

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Indeed.themyth01

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Indeed.themyth01

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

I love this thread :D .

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

vaderhater

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

I don't think there's any way we could possibly know this at the moment.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

ownage_denied

I don't think there's any way we could possibly know this at the moment.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So how many people had to buy two wands to get a two player game going on one machine? These probably are not all separate customers. And I call BS on the nav numbers not being counted.

vaderhater

I don't think there's any way we could possibly know this at the moment.

I don't think anyone said it was in more households, just that it had higher total sales. It's very fun watching the speculation though.

that's pretty impressive, me myself I didn't expect it to sell much, but I guess sony did their homework.

4.1 millions controllers sold in two month... when you lookj at it this way it's a so so statistic... I mean some people bought 2 easily . Still it'S quite a succes for move Good job sony! haris12121212

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So how many people had to buy two wands to get a two player game going on one machine? These probably are not all separate customers. And I call BS on the nav numbers not being counted.

vaderhater

I don't think there's any way we could possibly know this at the moment.

You were proven wrong.

Deal with it.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]4.1 millions controllers sold in two month... when you lookj at it this way it's a so so statistic... I mean some people bought 2 easily . Still it'S quite a succes for move Good job sony! CanYouDiglt

They've still been paid for them. Also,"While we don't disclose our exact sell-through [to customers] number, the key is that our retailers continue to ask for more Move units and are taking every unit we can supply them with based on their sales and strong demand."

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I don't think there's any way we could possibly know this at the moment.

shinrabanshou

You were proven wrong.

Deal with it.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Oh so how is it in more households (then Kinect) or will continue to be? LOL now I love this thread!

vaderhater

You were proven wrong.

Deal with it.

You said navigation controllers were included. You were wrong. Or illiterate. Pick one.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Oh so how is it in more households (then Kinect) or will continue to be? LOL now I love this thread!

vaderhater

You were proven wrong.

Deal with it.

Shipped to stores not households.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]No one said anything about households except you.

You were proven wrong.

Deal with it.

shinrabanshou

You said navigation controllers were included. You were wrong. Or illiterate. Pick one.

Hmm seems these controllers have been quite successful for both parties. Good for Sony and MS. I know quite a few people right now still planning to buy these controllers. navstar29

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Weren't you agreeing with vader that theMove SKU's + Wands + "the other controller unit" = the standalone wand, the starter pack, and the console bundle?

The standalone wand, the starter pack and the console bundle = the Move SKU's.

vaderhater

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

You can call BS all you want, but Sony has the numbers and all your have is a speculation. Companies don't do it for the fanboys to use as ammunition in gaming debates, they're obligated to provide the right information to their investors.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]No I wasnt. Shipped remember?

vaderhater

You said navigation controllers were included. You were wrong. Or illiterate. Pick one.

Why don't you tell that to the "some guys" you're referring to?

Some guys were trying to pass this 4.1 mill off as ownage to the Kinect. Guess what? Denied

vaderhater

Here's the take-home message again.

Despite $500 million, Oprah, Ellen, Bieber, Ne-Yo, Leona Lewis, Marky Mark, The New York Times, MTV, Time Magazine, Dance Central flashdancing in Times Square with massive YOU Are the Controller! billboards abounds - they're still competitive.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

:? All I posted is what Sony said which seems to coincide with the person I quoted, in other words, a sale = either of (1) Standalone wand (2) starter pack (3) console bundle. That's all I said.

Gxgear

You can call BS all you want, but Sony has the numbers and all your have is a speculation. Companies don't do it for the fanboys to use as ammunition in gaming debates, they're obligated to provide the right information to their investors.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Some guys were trying to pass this 4.1 mill off as ownage to the Kinect. Guess what? Denied

shinrabanshou

Here's the take-home message again.

Despite $500 million, Oprah, Ellen, Bieber, Ne-Yo, Leona Lewis, Marky Mark, The New York Times, MTV, Time Magazine, Dance Central flashdancing in Times Square with massive YOU Are the Controller! billboards abounds - they're still competitive.

You forgot Burger King :P.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Some guys were trying to pass this 4.1 mill off as ownage to the Kinect. Guess what? Denied

shinrabanshou

Here's the take-home message again.

Despite $500 million, Oprah, Ellen, Bieber, Ne-Yo, Leona Lewis, Marky Mark, The New York Times, MTV, Time Magazine, Dance Central flashdancing in Times Square with massive YOU Are the Controller! billboards abounds - they're still competitive.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So how many people had to buy two wands to get a two player game going on one machine? These probably are not all separate customers. And I call BS on the nav numbers not being counted.

vaderhater

You can call BS all you want, but Sony has the numbers and all your have is a speculation. Companies don't do it for the fanboys to use as ammunition in gaming debates, they're obligated to provide the right information to their investors.

If you're so keen on those questions maybe you should try and find out. I don't care any more about Kinect than I do Move, which is very little, so you can stop with the diversion tactics.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

You can call BS all you want, but Sony has the numbers and all your have is a speculation. Companies don't do it for the fanboys to use as ammunition in gaming debates, they're obligated to provide the right information to their investors.

Gxgear

If you're so keen on those questions maybe you should try and find out. I don't care any more about Kinect than I do Move, which is very little, so you can stop with the diversion tactics.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Some guys were trying to pass this 4.1 mill off as ownage to the Kinect. Guess what? Denied

vaderhater

Here's the take-home message again.

Despite $500 million, Oprah, Ellen, Bieber, Ne-Yo, Leona Lewis, Marky Mark, The New York Times, MTV, Time Magazine, Dance Central flashdancing in Times Square with massive YOU Are the Controller! billboards abounds - they're still competitive.

In the crappy motion-controller wars 4.1 million Move SKUs have been sold to retailers worldwide, while Kinect has a 2.5 million (unreferenced) worldwide sell-through.

That's all the information available.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So investors dont care how many navs are sold? Fine then they shipped 4.1 million. How many separate households? How many households bought two for two player action? We do not know? But what we do know is you only require one Kinect for two players.

vaderhater

If you're so keen on those questions maybe you should try and find out. I don't care any more about Kinect than I do Move, which is very little, so you can stop with the diversion tactics.

I'm not mad, but you could try to come up with something more constructive the next time when I call out your BS.

I thought this was really amazing. Then I read the fine print.

1.) 75% in bundles.

2.) Numbers are based on units shipped, not units sold to consumers. Nobody knows what percentage of these are caught up in retail and sitting on shelves. But if Wal-Mart/Gamespot/Toys-R-Us/whoever bought them from Sony...Sony counts them as sales. And they are sales to Sony...but we all know that's only half the battle. all in all...meh. we may be talking about less than a million sold to consumers...but we'll never really know. because Sony doesn't keep "sold to consumer" numbers.

2.) Numbers are based on units shipped, not units sold to consumers. Nobody knows what percentage of these are caught up in retail and sitting on shelves. But if Wal-Mart/Gamespot/Toys-R-Us/whoever bought them from Sony...Sony counts them as sales. And they are sales to Sony...but we all know that's only half the battle. all in all...meh. we may be talking about less than a million sold to consumers...but we'll never really know. because Sony doesn't keep "sold to consumer" numbers.

Flame-Eternal

All companies use their shipped numbers as sale figures, standard business practice and what should be common knowledge by now.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

If you're so keen on those questions maybe you should try and find out. I don't care any more about Kinect than I do Move, which is very little, so you can stop with the diversion tactics.

Gxgear

I'm not mad, but you could try to come up with something more constructive the next time when I call out your BS.

I thought this was really amazing. Then I read the fine print.

1.) 75% in bundles.

2.) Numbers are based on units shipped, not units sold to consumers. Nobody knows what percentage of these are caught up in retail and sitting on shelves. But if Wal-Mart/Gamespot/Toys-R-Us/whoever bought them from Sony...Sony counts them as sales. And they are sales to Sony...but we all know that's only half the battle. all in all...meh. we may be talking about less than a million sold to consumers...but we'll never really know. because Sony doesn't keep "sold to consumer" numbers.

Flame-Eternal

Damn that's a lot, and people said it would flop. ha ha. For reference Kinect is at 2.5 million.TintedEyes

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Oh dont get all mad. Im just having fun.

vaderhater

I'm not mad, but you could try to come up with something more constructive the next time when I call out your BS.

Quoting the wrong person, I never said that.

[QUOTE="Flame-Eternal"]2.) Numbers are based on units shipped, not units sold to consumers. Nobody knows what percentage of these are caught up in retail and sitting on shelves. But if Wal-Mart/Gamespot/Toys-R-Us/whoever bought them from Sony...Sony counts them as sales. And they are sales to Sony...but we all know that's only half the battle. all in all...meh. we may be talking about less than a million sold to consumers...but we'll never really know. because Sony doesn't keep "sold to consumer" numbers.

Gxgear

All companies use their shipped numbers as sale figures, standard business practice and what should be common knowledge by now.

Sometimes "common knowledge" turnes into "improper assumptions" that lead you astray. Always read full press releases. Sometimes you may get surprised.

You can say the same about any sales that Microsoft posts, anyone beleiving that either side have pinpoint numbers on actual units moved to consumers is laughably wrong at best.Jynxzor

think about it.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="Flame-Eternal"]2.) Numbers are based on units shipped, not units sold to consumers. Nobody knows what percentage of these are caught up in retail and sitting on shelves. But if Wal-Mart/Gamespot/Toys-R-Us/whoever bought them from Sony...Sony counts them as sales. And they are sales to Sony...but we all know that's only half the battle. all in all...meh. we may be talking about less than a million sold to consumers...but we'll never really know. because Sony doesn't keep "sold to consumer" numbers.

Flame-Eternal

All companies use their shipped numbers as sale figures, standard business practice and what should be common knowledge by now.

Sometimes "common knowledge" turnes into "improper assumptions" that lead you astray. Always read full press releases. Sometimes you may get surprised.

Again, when companies talk sales, they are talking shipped numbers. It is impossible to track down every single unit sale from every retailer to give you an exact number. This isn't your inventory night at the local Gamestop.

I'm afraid you're doing the improper assumption here, linking an article without actually thinking about it. We've seen this time and time again without fail, companies will report their "sales", and other publication will reveal them as shipped numbers. You're really going to take one press release from Microsoft themselves and take it at face value? :?

[QUOTE="Flame-Eternal"]

typically, yes. but Microsoft said that their 2.5 million Kinect figure was of retail sales. Retail sales are sales made at retail [to us].

Sometimes "common knowledge" turnes into "improper assumptions" that lead you astray. Always read full press releases. Sometimes you may get surprised.

Gxgear

Again, when companies talk sales, they are talking shipped numbers. It is impossible to track down every single unit sale from every retailer to give you an exact number. This isn't your inventory night at the local Gamestop.

I'm afraid you're doing the improper assumption here, linking an article without actually thinking about it. We've seen this time and time again without fail, companies will report their "sales", and other publication will reveal them as shipped numbers. You're really going to take one press release from Microsoft themselves and take it at face value? :?

not good enough.... sorry

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="Flame-Eternal"]

typically, yes. but Microsoft said that their 2.5 million Kinect figure was of retail sales. Retail sales are sales made at retail [to us].

Sometimes "common knowledge" turnes into "improper assumptions" that lead you astray. Always read full press releases. Sometimes you may get surprised.

shinrabanshou

Again, when companies talk sales, they are talking shipped numbers. It is impossible to track down every single unit sale from every retailer to give you an exact number. This isn't your inventory night at the local Gamestop.

I'm afraid you're doing the improper assumption here, linking an article without actually thinking about it. We've seen this time and time again without fail, companies will report their "sales", and other publication will reveal them as shipped numbers. You're really going to take one press release from Microsoft themselves and take it at face value? :?

That's CONTROLLERS, not cameras. Most people own at least 2 controllers per camera... BodyElite

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Move - 4.1 Million in Two Months

Kinect - 2.5 Million in 25 Days

Definitely.

glenn2709

Not to mention that each individual SKU for Move counts as a sale. So every Wand, every Nav controller, every starter pack, and every Eye counts as a Move sale.

Those Kinect numbers are even more impressive when you factor in most Move owners have bought at least two Wands. I know 1 person who owns 8 wands so he can have 4 players play together.

They counted 3 Move SKU's as individual sales (3x):

"...Again, we have no specific numbers on accessories sold, but Frazier says that each of the three PS3 Move SKUs made it onto the accessories top 10 list."

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/10/14/september-npd-halo-reach-and-madden-top-changed-npd-charts.aspx