@Pedro said:
@WitIsWisdom:
I am not sure what world you live in but you are so detach from reality that I don't even know how you got there. To claim that you do not have a choice to play solely on your new console is false. To claim that you are force to play with other consoles is absolutely correct. Its is why the internet was invented. To play with others. Its why developers are implementing crossplay. To play with people on different platforms. It is what PC gaming has been doing since the inception of multiplayer games. Playing with other gamers with different gaming configuration.
What does this mean? Time to drop the hyperbole. Seriously, its time to stop.
When you take the opportunity to answer a question, it is important to understand what you are responding to. You obviously didn't thus the reason for this overly drawn out discourse. My question was very precise. There was no changing of direction or goal post moving. You decided to answer a question which you didn't understand and now you are trying with pages of useless verbose to make your nonsensical answer work. USB-C, more efficient storage, more efficient menus with less lag and BC are gameplay features that can only be done on next gen are the nonsense you posted for the questions asked.
You can argue till your head pops, but shorter loading times is not unique to next gen; as stated before, and its not a gameplay feature that is unique to next gen. (remember the question asked).
Its also obvious that you don't understand how the technology work. This is not unique to you, some others on here are demonstrating the same level of ignorance. But, it is important to understand the technology before you comment. I say all of this to state that the following statement is false "To limit that by forcing us to accommodate for those that haven't upgraded yet seems off to me.". That is not how the technology works. That is not how software works. It has been repeated to nausea but you and your fellow angry mob keep repeating this factually false statement. Games are software. Software can and is adaptable to hardware. It has been like this for decades and it has been for games since the inception of multiplatform games. This is the fundamentals. If you can't get this right everything else you conjure based on this falsehood would be equally false.
Finally, the facts don't care about how you feel. You can feel any way you want, but your feelings have NO effect on the facts. You feel that cross generational games would prevent these games from taking advantage of next gen hardware. You are allowed to feel that way. However, that feeling is detached from reality because its incorrect. Factually incorrect. Has been incorrect for decades. A clear demonstration that you don't understand the technology. If you genuinely stated a concern and that concern has been corrected and you still decide to act as if your concern (ignorance) has not been addressed, well then you are the problem.
Ok man, whatever you say. I'll take the guys word for it that can barely even type in complete sentences or coherently enough to get half his points across. I guess if your primary language isn't English I have to commend you though, because I sure as hell couldn't type half as well in any other language.
The funniest thing about you is that you go in circles saying absolutely nothing, but you pretend or try to come across as if you know everything there is to know about any topic brought up. You'll grow out of that eventually.
I would certainly hope you are a kid, and I got wrapped up in trying to argue with someone that has their head so far up MS's ass they are blinded by their own ignorance. Hell, I guess that would just about be the literal definition of a fanboy though... lol. I try not to get to mixed up with those types, because I know they usually speak from their own passion and not with rationality.
It's ok to hold your own beliefs about things and come to your own conclusions, but to dismiss someone entirely because you don't have the mental fortitude or ability to understand people have varying opinions or where they are coming from is another thing altogether.
You take bits and pieces of things people say and break them down into several thoughts... almost as if they aren't a singular item brought up with more than one point, which is very liberal to say the least.
All you do is bring up the most basic of the basic things that everyone already knows and try to use it as a basis for ownage or twist things around because you don't have the reading comprehension to understand anything else.
It's actually rather amusing that you think you are so clever. Consoles at the hardware level don't inherently do anything to improve gameplay.. those are things that the developers build into the engines or games with the tools they have. The vast majority of the things I listed (rather quickly as that.. although I think it's hilarious you cherry picked a couple items as if that's my entire point when I just added a few more to go with the main two points I have reiterated many times now) whether "quality of life" improvements or not are things that ALSO improve gameplay since we are talking about the hardware level and not the actual games themselves. Once again, the two go hand in hand and are not devoid of each other...
If you want to believe that they won't gimp the XSX to accommodate for the base Xbox One, well that's fine, but I have my doubts. It's not necessarily that they will want to, but it may be a necessity. However, since neither of us have seen yet whether or not sacrifices will have to be made I guess it's a mute point for the time being. I honestly hope that it won't be an issue, but we are talking about over an 8x difference in power with the new consoles pushing technology that wouldn't work on lesser hardware. Yes, I understand scaling, but unless they are planning on giving us full on options like a PC I don't see this going down well, and feel as though those on the new console will be at a huge advantage over those that aren't. If that doesn't wind up being the case.. great. If you think that's to be expected.. great. I don't care whether or not it bothers you, it bothers me, and reading through this thread it's not hard to see that others agree as well.
Hell, just out of curiosity I did some searching around the internet on many different gaming websites, blogs, etc., and it appears that many more people agree with my take and have real concerns than that of people like you who aren't the least bit worried that it could cause some problems... Consoles are NOT PC's, and I think that MS may be in for a rude awakening.
Stop acting as though people don't understand the most basic of technology or progression of the industry. That isn't what this is about. What MS is doing is unprecedented in the console world and me and everyone else I have talked to online agrees that trying to treat consoles like PC's is going to backfire on them pretty bad. Like I said, if I'm wrong I'll eat my crow no problem.
Most modern PC games have a system minimum, and there aren't many graphic intensive PC games these days that can run on the base Xbox One... at least not unless they are in potato mode or with extremely limited features (and that's if at all).
Have you ever heard of a syllogistic fallacy? Just because (this) is always (that) doesn't mean (that) is always (this) Who am I kidding... I won't go there..
anyways.. Whatever man, I can't believe I let you drag me down to such a low level... you do you. I'm done with this for now.
Go ahead and save this conversation to use against me at all later date if I'm wrong or my concerns are misplaced. However, I get the feeling that if SONY steers clear of this that the console crowd (including myself) will respond to it loudly and MS is going to get slaughtered. I don't want to see it happen, but I can't believe MS would be this narrow sighted and arrogant once again. They are so removed from their fanbase and what console gamers actually want that they thought this would be a great idea... to launch the fastest and strongest console ever without it's own exclusives.
Perhaps you are right and I am blowing it out of proportion, and only time will tell. Until then I bid you farewell, and once again I say good day sir.
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