E.x.a.c.t.l.y. I'm NEVER PLAYING THIS GAME. *2 minutes later* "I'd like to reserve the new Activision game" *mouth foaming* Maybe for some people. Fool me once, though, shame on you... and that's what MW2 was. They aren't getting me a second time, and as much as I truly respect Bungie and think they are truly a top-10 dev, I won't be touching their games if Activision gets a percentage. There are way too many games out there to go mental over missing one. The only case I am still undecided on is Blizzard. I have to weigh my love for Blizz versus my hate for Acti and research what kind of a cut Acti gets out of it. Obviously if Diablo III comes out and it's a 4-hour game with day-one DLC it will make my decision easier.
they're both evil and just you wait for yearly Halo easy enough for you?
umm nope please back up your original claim that MS has ruined games, I have made a pretty convincing point on why Activision has, but you just use vague and generic terms like they are both evil. and once again you tell me to wait for my yearly Halo based on zero evidence to prove what you are saying. Just more generalizations with no facts to backup your claims.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"] they're both evil and just you wait for yearly Halo easy enough for you?Jandurin
umm nope please back up your original claim that MS has ruined games, I have made a pretty convincing point on why Activision has, but you just use vague and generic terms like they are both evil. and once again you tell me to wait for my yearly Halo based on zero evidence to prove what you are saying. Just more generalizations with no facts to backup your claims.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I'm sorry, did the game do well? Did it get AAA AA ratings? Isn't that your rubric for success?Jandurin
Umm you asked what games has IW ruined, now we wont be seeing any new MW games because IW has been gutted and will probably get shut down. Actvision destroyed the MW franchise because of their greed. You keep flip flopping between scores, and money being made. Try to keep up.
No, you're flip flopping. Try to slow down and consider your words :)
Yeah Fizz, Jandurin basically played you with your own set of rules man. It was obvious what he was doing, or so I thought.
I am incredibly disappointed in Bungie. Every dev. I liked (save Blizzard) had finally managed to get away from Activision, and now this. Awesome.
Guess I'm going to need to seriously evaluate if I'm going to buy Bungie games for the next ten years. :cry:
DarkLink77
It's only one IP that Bungie has Acitvision publishing. Plus it took 9 months to get the deal in place, which I assume is for creative freedom and how Bungie treats their community. I think this deal is more specifically to go multiplat, or could very well be for the MMO. Logically it does make sense as Jandurin/BHB have given enough indication for why that makes sense.
Umm you asked what games has IW ruined, now we wont be seeing any new MW games because IW has been gutted and will probably get shut down. Actvision destroyed the MW franchise because of their greed. You keep flip flopping between scores, and money being made. Try to keep up.
Hahadouken
No, you're flip flopping. Try to slow down and consider your words :)
Yeah Fizz, Jandurin basically played you with your own set of rules man. It was obvious what he was doing, or so I thought.
TBQH I am laughing really hard right now...for SW purposes, besides I'm not really a FPS fan, there are honorable exceptions though. And there is only one Bungie game that has me wowed ( the gem called Halo: CE) Now if Kojima signed with Activision, I would be thinking in suicide :?
Lots of people here don't seem to know what a publisher does and that MS owns the Halo franchise. That said, I am still disappointed in Bungie, there are other publishers in the industry that don't suck as much as Activision does.
Yeah Jandurin basically played you with your own set of rules man. It was obvious what he was doing, or so I thought.Hahadouken
*nods* Anyway, I'm done with this argument. My new thought is: What if you'll be able to buy an Activision MMO account. You pay a bit more than what WoW or the bungie MMO would cost alone, but get to play either one with the same account? So, it'd be like 20 bucks a month and you'd get access to 2 MMOs with the same account information! Badass, no?
Lots of people here don't seem to know what a publisher does and that MS owns the Halo franchise. That said, I am still disappointed in Bungie, there are other publishers in the industry that don't suck as much as Activision does.
Scythes777
Ahem, considering it took Bungie 9 months to set up this deal. and as they put it, only Activision was willing to agree with their terms. I'm assuming that if they honestly did talk to say EA or any other western oriented Pub(2k games would be another) they clearly weren't giving Bungie what they wanted as much as Activision. Ofcourse the kicker here is Bungie is a bigger name than most devs now. Halo has kind of put them on a much higher pedestal as far as their negotiation rights.
Bungie to develop on multiple platforms EXCLUSIVELY for Activision through 2020. Straight from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6260577.html
ironcreed
**** all games according to that, not just one IP
I should have mentioned that, I guess, lol. It basically confirms what we already know, that the next Bungie game will be on PS3.
Its all games based on the ONE NEW IP. Just the ONE NEW IP. If its successful and they make sequels, Activision gets to publish them. If it fails and they don't pursue that IP anymore, Activision has publishing rights to nothing.
Bungie to develop on multiple platforms EXCLUSIVELY for Activision through 2020. Straight from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6260577.html
hellhund
Only for the ONE NEW IP. Any other Bungie IPs are still fair game. Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision? This isn't some little side-game they are doing for Activision for funzies while they make their "real" game, a ____-exclusive. This is for real, better wrap your head around it sooner than later.
I am incredibly disappointed in Bungie. Every dev. I liked (save Blizzard) had finally managed to get away from Activision, and now this. Awesome.
Guess I'm going to need to seriously evaluate if I'm going to buy Bungie games for the next ten years. :cry:
jg4xchamp
It's only one IP that Bungie has Acitvision publishing. Plus it took 9 months to get the deal in place, which I assume is for creative freedom and how Bungie treats their community. I think this deal is more specifically to go multiplat, or could very well be for the MMO. Logically it does make sense as Jandurin/BHB have given enough indication for why that makes sense. I get that, champ. However, Activision has utterly ruined so many good franchises and developers simply by existing. You'll forgive me if I'm a little... anxious?
Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision?Hahadouken
Yeah. I'm sure Activision will get to demand at least some amount of product in relation to this deal. It's not like Bungie will whip out a single game in 2 years and be like... ALL RIGHTY THEN, we're done here, lalalalalaalala etc.
[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision?Jandurin
Yeah. I'm sure Activision will get to demand at least some amount of product in relation to this deal. It's not like Bungie will whip out a single game in 2 years and be like... ALL RIGHTY THEN, we're done here, lalalalalaalala etc. They could easily make three games in that ten years. If they're three different IPs, then Activision has exclusive rights to the first one, but not the next two.
Bungie to develop on multiple platforms EXCLUSIVELY for Activision through 2020. Straight from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6260577.html
Only for the ONE NEW IP. Any other Bungie IPs are still fair game. Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision? This isn't some little side-game they are doing for Activision for funzies while they make their "real" game, a ____-exclusive. This is for real, better wrap your head around it sooner than later. 10 yrs is a long time for just 1 IP, was hoping they might do other games too. I just hope this series is going to be win.
Bungie to develop on multiple platforms EXCLUSIVELY for Activision through 2020. Straight from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6260577.html
Hahadouken
Only for the ONE NEW IP. Any other Bungie IPs are still fair game. Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision? This isn't some little side-game they are doing for Activision for funzies while they make their "real" game, a ____-exclusive. This is for real, better wrap your head around it sooner than later.
I tend to agree. This is Bungie we are talking about, and this mystery game is their supposed next big thing. I don't think they will be working on 2-3 other games with other publishers once Reach is out of the way, lol. This new IP will be where their focus lies. Especially since it is going to be multiplatform.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision?hellhund
Yeah. I'm sure Activision will get to demand at least some amount of product in relation to this deal. It's not like Bungie will whip out a single game in 2 years and be like... ALL RIGHTY THEN, we're done here, lalalalalaalala etc. They could easily make three games in that ten years. If they're three different IPs, then Activision has exclusive rights to the first one, but not the next two. Did you read what they say about it? There are multiple games in this IP, they haven't even started developing and they are certain of that much. Bungie isn't going to make anything else for 10 years. Why is this hard to believe? They have only been working on Halo for close to 10.
[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="hellhund"] Only for the ONE NEW IP. Any other Bungie IPs are still fair game.ironcreed
Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision? This isn't some little side-game they are doing for Activision for funzies while they make their "real" game, a ____-exclusive. This is for real, better wrap your head around it sooner than later.
I tend to agree. This is Bungie we are talking about, and this mystery game is their supposed next big thing. I don't think they will be working on 2-3 other games with other publishers once Reach is out of the way, lol. This new IP will be where their focus lies. Especially since it is going to be multiplatform.
Maybe now that they're independent, they're going to focus on new ideas and new IPs, not just find one new IP and ride that train for ten years.
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Can't wait to see that 1200 to 1600 MS point map pack for Hal: Reach. :|xsubtownerx
Clever. And true.. Activision is going to kill gaming. I agree with the sentiments from both of you, but there is a flaw in this logic since Activision won't get a piece of Reach, or in fact anything remotely related to Halo.
Maybe now that they're independent, they're going to focus on new ideas and new IPs, not just find one new IP and ride that train for ten years.hellhund
I'm actually kind of happy for Bungie. I dislike some Activision's philosophies (like most do), but in this situation nothing is proving to me that they are the big evil company everybody says they are.This sounds almost exactly like the EA Partners program which has been highly praised, yet because its Activision making the deal, everyone's pissed? In this situation, Bungie, a very talented indie dev (yes, they are still indie) has the ability to take advantage of resources they haven't previously had access to. Activision has deep pockets, Bungie has talent - I'm inclined to believe that deep pockets + talent = something amazing. Its not like Bungie is owned by Activision, they are only bound to them by a single IP for 10 years. In this way, Bungie can take advantage of the "enemy's" resources, and produce something awesome of their own. Whats not to love about this? I personally, am stoked about Bungie's new IP now that it has some serious funding behind it while remaining totally indie.
[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="hellhund"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Yeah. I'm sure Activision will get to demand at least some amount of product in relation to this deal. It's not like Bungie will whip out a single game in 2 years and be like... ALL RIGHTY THEN, we're done here, lalalalalaalala etc. They could easily make three games in that ten years. If they're three different IPs, then Activision has exclusive rights to the first one, but not the next two. Did you read what they say about it? There are multiple games in this IP, they haven't even started developing and they are certain of that much. Bungie isn't going to make anything else for 10 years. Why is this hard to believe? They have only been working on Halo for close to 10. And Too Human was planned as a trilogy. Just because its planned that way doesn't mean it will work out that way.
I have a question, does anyone know if Bungie is a publicly traded company? If so I can just picture Bobby secretly buying Bungie stock until he gets control of the company with a countdown timer set for 10 years.
If not I can picture Bobby convincing Bungie to go public, "Hey come on , there's alot of money to be made" * Bobby puts arm around Bungie*
I'm actually kind of happy for Bungie. I dislike some Activision's philosophies (like most do), but in this situation nothing is proving to me that they are the big evil company everybody says they are.This sounds almost exactly like the EA Partners program which has been highly praised, yet because its Activision making the deal, everyone's pissed? In this situation, Bungie, a very talented indie dev (yes, they are still indie) has the ability to take advantage of resources they haven't previously had access to. Activision has deep pockets, Bungie has talent - I'm inclined to believe that deep pockets + talent = something amazing. Its not like Bungie is owned by Activision, they are only bound to them by a single IP for 10 years. In this way, Bungie can take advantage of the "enemy's" resources, and produce something awesome of their own. Whats not to love about this? I personally, am stoked about Bungie's new IP now that it has some serious funding behind it while remaining totally indie.
jamejame
Because Activision will make money out of it and we hate Activision.
[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="hellhund"] Only for the ONE NEW IP. Any other Bungie IPs are still fair game.blue_hazy_basic
Where does everyone keep getting the idea that Bungie will have the time to spit out a bunch of games while working on the project with Activision? This isn't some little side-game they are doing for Activision for funzies while they make their "real" game, a ____-exclusive. This is for real, better wrap your head around it sooner than later. 10 yrs is a long time for just 1 IP, was hoping they might do other games too. I just hope this series is going to be win. There are a lot of cases of devs only working on one IP for that kind of time period. Bungie themselves have only made Halo games since 2001. Infinity Ward has only made Call of Duty since 2003. Polyphony Digital? Gran Turismo... etc. etc. etc. There are so many examples of it. 10 years is a long time, but they can keep Bungie busy with one IP for that amount of time, easily, especially if it catches on like Halo did.
[QUOTE="hellhund"]Maybe now that they're independent, they're going to focus on new ideas and new IPs, not just find one new IP and ride that train for ten years.Jandurin
I'm sure Activision will be fine with that. It doesn't matter if Activision is fine with that. They don't own Bungie and can't force them to make more games. They get to publish the games, not dicate how many or when.
[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Can't wait to see that 1200 to 1600 MS point map pack for Hal: Reach. :|Hahadouken
Clever. And true.. Activision is going to kill gaming. I agree with the sentiments from both of you, but there is a flaw in this logic since Activision won't get a piece of Reach, or in fact anything remotely related to Halo. I know, but one can't forget what EA did with ME. You just never know. :P
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