Lawmakers raise alarms over Trump coronavirus response

BTW this may end up being nothing more than another nuisance in well developed nations, but think of the situation in poorer countries like in Africa and places like Vietnam and Indonesia. I do think comparing it to the flu is interesting because this is not replacing the flu. The flu kills lot's of people yes and that's probably not great? And this is something new on top of that. Sure it can always be worse but I like to aim for better, not worse. I hope that we'll find ways to ease things quickly.

Between 2013 and 2016, the Ebola outbreak in West Africa killed 11,323 people. In the US, this flu season alone there have already been over 10,000 deaths. Do you remember all the hype, fear, and hysteria the media spread about it then? More people should learn from similar, recent events, and realize this is a rerun.

Before saying the US is a bigger country, those numbers include all of West Africa, which combined has more people than the United States. So more people, most would consider them those "poorer countries like in africa" and it killed fewer people over 3 years, than one flu season in the US. And it was blown WAY out of proportion. Panic was created by media hysteria over nothing.

A man in Florida was billed over $3,000 dollars for a coronavirus test. Most people in the US will avoid testing and treatment if they experience symptoms.

Lack of sick days... low paying jobs handling food. The potential for infecting many is there.

I don't see fear and hysteria. I just see them fact checking, and reporting on the facts.

And this appears to trigger Trump and Trumpers.

Nice video. We've been mostly citing W.H.O. and CDC, as has the media. I wish Trump would watch this and more videos, he keeps lying about it or being wrong about it. Or flat out asking brain-dead questions,

Trump’s baffling coronavirus vaccine event

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/03/trumps-baffling-coronavirus-vaccine-event/

LMAO it's almost hard to imagine that was all real^

@n64dd: That was possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you say here, and that’s saying something.

Why even bother lying about this particular thing?

Fact check: White House falsely claims the coronavirus has been 'contained' in the US

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/politics/fact-check-white-house-coronavirus-contained/index.html

Why post biased news?

Uhh....that's an extremely straight forward fact check. And it isn't the first time,

Kudlow breaks with CDC on coronavirus: ‘We have contained this’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/kudlow-white-house-coronavirus-117402

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's sunny side up take on coronavirus

https://apnews.com/b753e66828b903730b69cbcddbd1c84d

How about just stop lying about this issue? It won't end the world, but it's still pretty serious. No more 12 year old twitter lying IMO.

CNN is not an unbiased news source, so all I asked is why post anything biased from them?

And the other links are just meaningless ramblings, Trump does not go A = B, so even AP seem to forget that correlation does not equal causation.

So we've got, what, 1700 likely cases in the US?

I do not see what is wrong in that AP link. Please provide citation that the 3 fact check links I gave are wrong.

Quote the portion you feel is incorrect, and find a valid link proving that quote is incorrect while either paraphrasing or quoting the debunking lines within your new links.

Until this is done, your concession is accepted. You can't Qanon your way out of this one and say literally all of my links this week are fake.

Let´s take one example

"CORONAVIRUS

TRUMP: “We’re going to have Americans staying home instead of going and spending the money in other countries. And maybe that’s one of the reasons the job numbers are so good.” — remarks to the press Friday."

THE FACTS: That is not one of the reasons the job numbers are so good.

So AP goes straight for the "not true" when in fact they themselves a bit further down, explains the logic behind it.

Trump is probably correct that fewer Americans will go abroad and spend money while the outbreak is active. The flip side is that fewer foreigners may come to the U.S. and spend their money here.

So while it´s probably a very good bet that the effects of the "fewer Americans will go abroad" is not more jobs so early and that the effects may never be "more jobs" Trump´s statement is not a lie. It´s perhaps a bit naive, but hey it´s Trump.

Stop.

Every fact checker has chimed in on incorrect Trump comments regarding Coronavirus. You should probably want him to simply lie less on this serious matter, rather than crying about fact checkers doing their job correctly.

Nice opinions, there is nothing incorrect in that paragraph. Your poor reading comprehension is none of my concern, either bring valid citation or stop trying to debunk 5 fact checkers. They are right, that simply is not why the jobs numbers are so good. The next paragraph doesn't debunk their own statement, it explains it.

Also you have quite a bit more from that article and 2 other articles to attempt (and fail) to debunk. How was CNN wrong?

I'll post more for detective Jacanuk to fail on the job on,

Trump’s Mislaid Blame on Obama for Virus Test

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/03/06/trumps-mislaid-blame-on-obama-for-virus-test/

Fact-checking President Donald Trump on the coronavirus

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/28/fact-checking-president-donald-trump-coronavirus/

Get to it, show us how all of these articles are wrong. And please bring citation this time, as no one cares that you didn't read the paragraphs properly.

@Baconstrip78: no idea which post you mean.

@n64dd: to be fair to you, you do post a lot of stupid shit

Between Trump and Rush Limbaugh's statements regarding the virus I am not surprised to read this article. These guys are painfully deluded and clueless.

Those articles are opinions on the meaning of someone else's statement. And nothing Trump has said is an actual factual lie. Again can Americans staying home in the US instead of going abroad potentially create jobs, sure it could, but is it likely, No not really.

That is the difference.

And again fact-checking today is by most media on the mainstream stage, gone from actual fact-checking to be opinions on their political bias because Trump does not speak clearly, his statements are often mumblings but not outright lies.

@Jacanuk: you're having a serious breakout of TNSS.

Have you been particularly lonely lately?

Don´t you ever get tired of the TDS ?

TRUMP: “This was a very big move. And it was a — it was something that we had to do and we did it very quickly. And now we have tremendous flexibility. Many, many more sites. Many, many more people. And you couldn’t have had that under the Obama rule, and we ended that rule very quickly.” — remarks Wednesday.

THE FACTS: It’s not true that an Obama-era rule limited laboratories run by companies, universities and hospitals from developing and running tests for the coronavirus during an emergency. No such regulation existed.

The Trump administration’s action Saturday only undid a policy that its own Food and Drug Administration put in place. The new action lets labs develop and use coronavirus diagnostic tests before the agency reviews them. Previously, the FDA had only authorized use of a government test developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Under a 2004 federal law, the FDA has wide power to authorize drugs, tests and other therapies during emergencies. That means no legal authority was hindering the Trump administration when it earlier decided to limit testing to public health labs using the CDC test.

So I get you to need it cut in stone, but considering we were talking about the linked AP article, it´s a good bet that I didn´t mean everything else.

Pretty much an outright factual lie when Trump claims the virus is 'CONTAINED.'

Wasn't there a confirmed case recently at a GOP rally/meeting?

@horgen: Yeah, some guy named Schlapp, I think.

It's ok, the president declared we should continue to go to work sick.

That is exactly what a lot of people handling your food will do.

@horgen: Yep. High health care costs + low hourly wages + lack of sick time = perfect incubator.

My company is starting to encourage people to work from home.

But that is the way it should be, right? Only people in high paying jobs should get benefits like sick time.

Just read that about 25% Italians are in quarantine now...

@horgen: yeah Italy, Iran, and South Korea are the biggest outbreak areas excluding China, where it started.

Same.

@horgen: kinda wild that both Germany and France have double the amount of cases than the US

They are much smaller countries too

Maybe more testing?

Norway has less people than NYC and around 1/4 as many cases as US.. And since Italy is hit hard, a lot of other European countries gets hit hard as well.

@horgen: That's looking likely. If we take Trump's death rate statistic of 1 percent that would mean we're looking at roughly 1900 cases around the country. That would fit in with why our official mortality rate (deaths per confirmed cases) are such an outlier.

It's likely been spreading silently in the us for weeks.

Rick Santelli recently floated the idea of giving everyone the virus quickly in order to stem the stock market losses.

Santelli, who is widely credited with helping spark the so-called tea party movement in 2009, made the attention-grabbing COVID-19 comments in a conversation with “The Exchange” anchor Kelly Evans, who asked the volatile, Chicago-based Santelli what the catalyst had been for the recent chaos on Wall Street.

“The catalyst? Just watch your local news. There’s your catalyst,” Santelli said, according to a transcript.

“Of course, people are getting nervous. And listen, I’m not a doctor. I’m not a doctor. All I know is, think about how the world would be if you tried to quarantine everybody because of the generic-type flu. Now I’m not saying this is the generic-type flu. But maybe we’d be just better off if we gave it to everybody, and then in a month it would be over because the mortality rate of this probably isn’t going to be any different if we did it that way than the long-term picture, but the difference is we’re wreaking havoc on global and domestic economies.”

Link

Setting aside the sociopathy of the comment, let's take a look at why that is a bad idea.

Even if we assume symmetric infection rates, "getting it over with" quickly rather than flattening out the pandemic curve leads to a lack of necessary healthcare because it will overwhelm our healthcare infrastructure.

It doesn't help that the US is on the low side of the healthcare system capacity anyway in relation to our peers.

Of course, giving it to everyone quickly will also significantly lower our healthcare capacity since a major component of that capacity is healthcare providers. Even if you make the choice to not give it to healthcare providers, many of them will get it anyway since a majority of the population has it.

This proposal by Santelli is an extreme proposal with very fast infection rates, but our policy decisions of charging high prices for testing, high prices for treatment, and encouraging the ill to work causes a similar ramp-up in infection rates. If that rate ramps up too quickly and we exceed our healthcare system capacity, people will be left untreated for both this disease and others. And an increased number of people will die as a result.

But hey, it will save the stock market some losses. That counts for something, right?

Are you seriously comparing flu and Ebola? That 11,300 deaths are from 29,000 cases. That's about 40 % mortality rate. Luckily Ebola doesn't spread as easily as flu. Ebola outbreak on similar level as normal flu would be black death all over again.

Both South Korea and China seem to be flattening their curves quite effectively.

The NBA has suspended it's season.

and corona got tom hanks

Damn all of Trump's lies over the last 2 weeks look REALLY bad right now.

Trump tried to buy the Corona vaccine

There may not be lasting immunity to it, either. Meaning if you get it and recover, it's COULD be possible to get it again.

Italy has the worst outbreak and don't they have socialized medicine with "free care"?

Yep. From what I've read, Italy noticed it late and allowed it to circulate untested/untracked which caused it to grow unchecked in an aging population.

It doesn't really matter what causes the testing to be inadequate. If you have inadequate testing you'll be blind. If you're blind, you'll either be forced to implement broad heavy handed policy responses as Italy's doing now, or it will continue to grow unchecked. And if you economically force untested sick people to work through the disease, it will spread even more rapidly because self-regulation won't be an option.

@Icarian: wtf

You mean to say that they would look bad if people considered facts and truth to matter.

They really don't though.

Trump is such a piece of shit for feeding this corona hype and calling it a pandemic.