Lawmakers raise alarms over Trump coronavirus response

Nothing in that link refutes the 2 fact checkers I linked. I believe this is called a red herring, .

Oh and your boy is going off again and being insane,

Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. — President Donald Trump on Friday night tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term, lumping it alongside impeachment and the Mueller investigation.

So we should use a statistic (that isn't measurable) for Covid, but we should disregard the same statistic for Flu, and use this as a means for determining the very specific goalpost you wish to achieve? Such good logic.

By the by 2861/83694, per your map as of 16:00 , is a 3.4% mortality rate.

Nothing you have said so far, have refuted anything i have said or have proved the initial bias one-sided story true from the washout post.

Yes, it is worse than the flu: busting the coronavirus myths

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/coronavirus-truth-myths-flu-covid-19-face-masks

All fact checkers are correct. It's more dangerous than the Flu as a virus, with a higher death rate. That's it. Very simple. I'm not even sure why you are spinning this.

He has lied a lot in regards to this thing. He just called it a hoax hours ago (partially). This is not the hill you want to die on.

Again look at the WHO link i posted.

No, it´s not worse than flu compared to deaths.

My link is quoting WHO as well....it has a higher fatality rate

Time to google red-herring, Jacky.

Also, why are you ignoring all those other lies Trump said about this and only attempting to (and not very well) defend this one? Why the hell is a POTUS lying about something so serious anyway? What the ****?

Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

No, what you are linking to is an opinion post based on random facts they pull out of their rear.

Again you fish instead of looking at the actual stats and hear what the medical professionals have said.

1. My links literally quotes WHO and CDC.

Either we live on alternate universes or you're using a red-herring. Which is more likely?

2. You agree Trump lied about all the other stuff?

So everyone who gets the regular flu is registered somewhere? Absolute everyone? And the 26 million number (I think) mentioned earlier here is not an estimated number?

Why do trumpers always run to TDS when they cannot defend their stance?

@zaryia said:

WHAT THE HELL:

Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. — President Donald Trump on Friday night tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term, lumping it alongside impeachment and the Mueller investigation.

When compared to how Obama handled the Ebola crisis Trump is the gold standard. Because it is Trump, every thing he does is wrong. The Democrats and the media are using this to damage Trump. I listen the media and the are intentionally scaring the population. Trump is not claiming this is a hoax, but he is not encouraging people to jump off bridges. He was taking steps to protect The United States while the Democrats were trying to impeach him. What have the Democrats done to protect the country during this coronavirus event? Criticize the President, and not another damn thing. As I posted before, for them, everything is political and the public be damned. When are you going to wake up to that fact.

@Jacanuk: @n64dd: @eoten: You are really doing some silly talk here. There are many strands of flu, basically categorised into A, B, C & D and within each category, there are also subcategories.

So comparing the flu to COVID-19 is nonsense. COVID-19 one strand of the several known Coronaviruses.

Also, practically all hospitals around the world are built for regular day-to-day operation. The supply of doctors, nurses and availability of medication is a reflection of regular demand for them. How many hospitals have you seen that are overstaffed? How many hospitals are understaffed?

So when you add the COVID-19 on top of regular operations, what happens is that the hospital can easily become overwhelmed.

Since the incubation period for COVID-19 is anything between 48 hours to several weeks, a person could literally infect thousands of people in any area. Given the high mobility of people in most countries and the fact that COVID-19 is highly contagious then it is very worrying.

Symptoms of COVID-19 also varies, from flu-like symptoms to breathing difficulties and outright organ failure. In China, the scientists have said, it has a larger impact on those who have high blood pressure or heart disease or diabetes, these three are commonly associated with the elderly, but not exclusively.

Given the poor diet of many people around the world, many young and middle-aged people have high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes. I am sure many of the people who regularly visit Gamespot.com have these issues.

Additionally, the treatment of COVID-19 so far has been linked to medication for Ebola and also HIV. Can the manufacturers seriously cope with demand as COVID-19 spreads wider? I doubt they can.

If you put all that together then it paints a potentially worrying picture. Long incubation periods, a high degree of transmission, a shortage of hospital beds, patients being turned away and infecting more people, a lack of medicine and medical equipment.

But of course, if you think its nothing to worry about then lick your fingers, go home and kiss your loved ones good night.

It would be great if there were actual conservatives on this site, instead, of alts, fake boys, gimmick posters, and contrarians

1. And they might use the numbers, but how they interpret them is their own IE "Washout-posts"

2. I agree that the initial link and story was misconstrued by the post and that the post deliberately went for the Anti trump angle.

As to all the other links, did not read them since, I don´t care about opinions, i care about facts and anyone can see that Covid19 is highly infectious.

@Jacanuk: you changed the goalposts a third time. Great job

First, no one is comparing the actual flu to the actual CoVid-19 , there are so many strains of flu, so that would be pretty dumb.

As to the rest of your post, that is based on your opinion and also nit-picking facts and numbers to fit into the

But you like the rest seem to miss the point that out of the registered infected a small 1 digit % have died, and only a few outside of China. And that the actual infected number is only a fraction of the actual number.

So you go panic all you want and call this more deadly than ever and read the "breaking news" who is there just to clickbait.

They aren't opinions. Your incapability of refuting the multiple fact checks (with citation) on Trump, Don Jr, and Mick prove this fact.

We've been through this when you lost with Russian Interferece. Snopes, Factcheck, Politifact, Wapo, TheGuardian > You.

Facts > Your opinions.

My links quote the CDC and WHO. You're using a red-herring away from fatality rate.

No one said this is more deadly than ever.

You're using that straw-man to use it as a false victory later on. We're just saying Trump and Co. have lied or mis-lead about this particular event. They shouldn't. That's all. Very very simple. They are down playing it for political reasons, they shouldn't.

Also every news around the world have been covering this strongly, it's not click bait. It is breaking news. The markets reaction to it shows it is real breaking news. It's not world ending, but it is clearly serious.

I have no clue what you just ranted about. Most of it seemed based off of fiction, like Trump's rally speech last night. We just want the right to stop lying so much on this issue:

Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

It's ok, guys. The White House is floating tax cuts as a way to combat the epidemic.

Excuse me? actual conservatives? what is an actual conservative?

Not really, but I do admire your attempts to do one-liners.

Not going to take the whole what is a fact and what is an opinion and stating numbers does not make an opinion a fact suddenly.

And yes low and behold media who live of views and clicks have been covering this which provides views and clicks. what a major surprise or something?

Every fact checker > Jacanuk.

I'm sorry but Trump, Jr, and Mick have lied quite a bit this week. This does not inspire confidence.

Anyway, here are some opinions if you want them:

As a doctor, I've watched Republicans make the US more vulnerable to coronavirus than it ever should have been — Trump and his ilk have dismantled vital research for ideological reasons and made it nearly impossible for us to develop new vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-usa-trump-ebola-cdc-us-healthcare-a9365646.html

@Jacanuk: the media is covering a news story that affects the entire planet?

How dare them!!

And i do not care one bit about Trump JR and Mick and what they say or don´t say.

And again let´s stick with actual facts WHO numbers, not what far-left media or what the low standard that is supposed to be journalism today makes.

They are quoting WHO and CDC.

I do care what the POTUS has to say. Leadership matters at this moment. I think he should stop lying about something serious.

oof,

Rush Limbaugh Thinks Coronavirus Is an Anti-Trump Conspiracy

Misinforming your audience on an infectious disease to own the libs.

https://www.gq.com/story/coronavirus-trump-conspiracy

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh joined in on Wednesday, saying, "The coronavirus is being weaponized to bring down Donald Trump," and that, "It's nothing more than the common cold." He added that the media was desperate for ammunition against the president: "They would love for the coronavirus to be this deadly strain that wipes everybody out, so they could blame Trump for it."

Why is the right wing so stupid sometimes.

Ok, fine let´s stick with the WHO since i know we all trust them.

And as to Trump, he can say what he wants to his base, it´s a free country. dumb or not.

Try reading your source and backing it up with a few secondary ones as well. He wasn't saying that the virus itself was a hoax, he was talking about people trying to use it as a political tool like we're going to have a real-life version of the movie Contagion thanks to Trump.

The fact that the situation was made political isn't a lie right down to Trump being called a racist and xenophobic for stopping travel from infected areas.

And the first coronavirus death was just confirmed in the US. Yeah, this isn't a hoax. This admin needs to stop with the political games. People are going to die.

@BenjaminBanklin: and with the number if confirmed cases and confirmed death, it has a higher mortality rate than the flu in the USA

@Jacanuk: why did you assume I was talking about you when I mentioned fake boys and alts? Guilty conscience?

You asked for actual conservatives and besides the alts and trolls, we are a few normal posters who are what you could consider conservativ-minded, so I am curious what makes a real conservative since you asked for them.

@Jacanuk: someone who can form their own opinion backed up by facts.

You just spout cliche talking points ignoring any sense of thought or rationality.

Like n64dd, you're a fake boy.

Someone who plays a contrarian because you lack the moral character to stand by your own thoughts and opinions.

Or you do it because you somehow find it funny. Which is also a character fault.

Democrats are having meltdowns over the one person that died who was over 50 and had serious health issues.

Yeah, most the people who actually die from corona virus are already of compromised health and immune systems from other problems. Which make up the bulk of flu victims as well.

No one is having a meltdown. But hey...…..let's wait for spring...……..that will surely kill it.....smh.

No one is having a meltdown. The Democrats, Media, and Scientists are just pointing out Trump and Co. when they lie. They should not lie about such a serious matter. They have to stop being tribals at some point.

We know. This doesn't mean we shouldn't take it seriously and lie about it. It's still a concern and a threat, according to WHO and CDC.

@eoten: sure, but evidence suggests that Corona kills even more quickly than flu

@zaryia: I would like for Trump to handle it better. You should admit democrats are weaponizing this to get political favor.

They are politically weaponizing it to a degree, because Trump is constantly saying wrong and at times insane stuff on a very serious matter. At what point does a simple and important fact check cross necessity and a political attack?

He should just stop giving them extremely easy ammo. That's just dumb.

@n64dd: He's far to delusional to do such a thing.

Can you state what I said that was delusional?

You have said this after I literally quoted (word for word) peer reviewed studies and W.H.O documentation in the past...

Seems like a baseless ad-hom.

Problem with the first sentence there is that you don´t really want that, you want people to agree with your made-up facts and your already established conclusion.

Even in this debate where we are debating actual verifiable data, from WHO, you are instantly on the opposite side.

As to the rest, well it´s the normal BS, buuuuuuhuuuuu i am right you are wrong, I am a democrat you are on the right..... You might as well go with "my ding is bigger than your dong and can beat up your nose"

What exactly is being done that is different than how we prepared for SARS? While it may be politically expedient to blame the president, in this case, he's not at fault for a global virus/possible pandemic. Other than massive quarantines and shutting down borders, there is no way to stop its spread. And even that is not exactly effective.

There is no "cure" for most viruses. Unlike bacteria, viruses can't be killed. One can vaccinate to prevent infection but once someone has an infection, there's not much to do other than support the body's immune system. Researchers are in the process of developing a vaccine but that takes quite some time to develop and to ensure its safe for human use. Antivirals are very hard to develop and we only have a handful that work to slow or inhibit virus replication. All the money and resources in the world won't change human biology.

The CDC is fairly good at what they do. They've issued statements to the public and guidelines. To my knowledge, they have not requested additional funding or resources. In fact, they've told people to stop buying masks as they are ineffective in stopping the spread of the virus. Washing your hands is still the most effective way to stop its spread.

One of the worst things that pandemic can do is start a global hysteria. Nancy Pelosi seems to be doing everything she can to fan the fires of that and I think she is being incredibly irresponsible. She should shut her mouth and let the CDC directors and staff do the talking. They're doctors and that's what they train for and what they do. Keep politics out of this crap.

One of the more sensible things that have been said so far.

@Jacanuk: ok fakeboy

Awwwww, not enough oil in the rig today?

/m.s.u.

@Jacanuk: lol.

You're not even smart enough to know what an ndt company does

@Jacanuk: My opinions? Is it really my opinion that most hospitals around the world are understaffed? Too many doctors and nurses? Ebola and HIV/AIDS drugs are oversupplied? The two types of drugs which are being used to help those infected?

Nit-picking what? Please explain yourself?

It is not just 1% have died, the fatality rate varies. Many factors come into play.

In Wuhan China, at the time of writing, there are 49,122 infected and 2,195 dead. That means the mortality rate is 4.46%. But if you take all data from China, there are 79,968 infected and 2,873 dead, that gives the mortality rate at 3.59%.

There are 95 infected in the city of Hong Kong, so far only 2 deaths, that is a 2.10% mortality rate.

As said, your 1% figure is absolutely fake. The mortality rate will vary, so many factors come into play such as age, underlying illnesses (high blood pressure, heart disease & diabetes), availability and quality of healthcare, availability of medicine and technical equipment (those with pneumonia need a machine to help them breathe).

So in total 2,873 dead, that is clickbait. 2,996 people died in the US on 9 September 2001, is that clickbait too?

It's just a virus, I urge you not to waste any money buying face masks or hand sanitizer if the virus hits your area, it's just a virus, you'll be fine.

OK. I've been watching and reading for 200+ hours of Corona virus information so far. From sciencemag to online dr.'s to some national and international official info.

The case fatality rate (people dying while infected) seems to be around 2% (or a little higher). 0.5%-1% maybe if there is very good medical care. The CFR is very dependant on the quality of medical care provided. There are countries with a much higher CFR. (Iran.) This is likely due to shoddy medical care. (Like the (improper) application of steroids to lower fever.) A CFR of about 2% would be in the ballpark of what people come to expect from the flu.

The major difference is that this is a new virus. People have build no resistance yet against this virus. The flu might infect 5%, 10% of a nation every once in a while. This virus MAY infect a much higher percentage in one sweep. The Hong Kong chairman of public health mentioned something like a 60-80%. That is a very high number, likely based on some erroneous information (read along).

IF it infects a much higher percentage of the population than the flu, it could very easily overwhelm the medical care. And that is the biggest threat that this virus currently presents. If the medical care gets overwhelmed, the CFR could go up. By how much we don't know exactly. If the CFR goes higher than the flu, combined with a higher number of infected, that means there is a possibility of a much (MUCH) higher death count.

However, that is not all said and done. The virus appears to NOT be asymptomatic (not or barely spread before/after the period of symptoms), contrary to earlier information we had. IF the virus is really not asymptomatic, then containing the virus or slowing it down becomes much more feasible. And if we can slow it down enough, maybe the virus won't be much more of a hindrance than the flu. (Which is still not great of course, but it's the much better outcome.)

So right now we are at an absolutely critical stage, where the virus may be contained/slowed down insomuch that its impact won't be so severe. Or it could spread quickly and become a much bigger problem. So it IS important to take the virus seriously. To take hygiene and quarantines seriously. To take negative travel advise seriously. Think of it as a social exercise. If we don't take it seriously it could cause many (many) more deaths, but probably not your own. If we take it seriously then maybe we'll think in a year that it was barely newsworthy and that we overreacted because it never turned into something bigger. In this case a slight overreaction is better than ignorance.

If you live in a country with decent medical care, and you sleep well and eat healthily you do not need to worry much about your personal well being. The chance of you developing no symptoms when infected is likely even higher than the chance that you would die from it. So don't worry too much on a personal level. Of course there is never a guarantee that everybody we love won't die from the virus. The main concern with this virus may be more on an economic/logistics level and on a larger scale.