Why are atheists so hostile? Dare I click Submit?

TC I think you just answered your own question...

it's better to be "hostie" with words than actually comitting violence in the name of religion.

maybe that's why atheists are so hostile towards religion? because religion is destructive at this point in time.

you serious right?GazaAli

Why are theists to hostile ? Two can play this game :P

Most theists and atheists are pretty open about religion, it's just that the aggressive minority is also the loudest one.

Atheists who are hostile are most likely people who see a particular extreme of religious people and then proceed to generalize the entire populous of religious people. It goes the other way around as well. I see a lot of Atheist's talking about how judgmental and overbearing Christians are. That they say things like "you're going to hell for not believing in what I believe." I'm Christian. I've never once told anyone that they're going to hell or thought that I'm somehow better than them because I'm Christian. If any Christian does act that way, then they're not really a person who is god fearing (or a true Christian). Because it is stated in the bible that no human being has the power to judge another regardless of what they believe. Only God has that power. I'm sure these religious extremists exist. That doesn't mean you should disrespect anyone's beliefs and mash up those extremists with regular Christians. Just like I don't assume every Atheist is a conceited, self righteous narcissist. I've met Atheists like that before. But that doesn't mean they're all like that.frostybanana

but you worship a god who sends people to hell. that's not much better.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

Sure they do.

How nice of them. It's the least they could do, considering the ridiculous amount of wealth and lands they've massed.

Also, you forget how the Church used to charge you for your place in heaven, and every sin had a price-tag attached to it to get it erased. That is until Luther came around and presented the Catholic church with some competition, which has, as expected, deviated from its intended path.

@fox_hound

I asked you this because I wanted to make sure. Your post is great, that's why I asked you. I can't speak for those 90% Muslims you were talking about, but I believe that A LOT of Muslims miss the point and cherry pick certain things from the Quran and the Islamic faith in general. I respect your curiosity and journey of knowing the truth, but we have a well-known saying that scholars have passed to each other through the ages that says "Whoever that takes his book as his mentor, his mistakes will be more than his corrects". I don't mean anything specific by this, but you gave Allah a certain description according to what you understood by reading the Quran. The thing is, one of the most important aspects of Quran is the fact that its native language is Arabic. Arabic is a really profound language and as a native speaker of it, its really really hard to translate it to other languages including English.

You may (I'm sure) disagree with this, but we have certain interpretation for the Quran done by well-known scholars with certain evidences and back tracing to the days of the prophet Mohammad himself. Note that I would not normally reply like this as I'm sure I will be perceived clergy/pushy and I don't really care about what others believe, but you seem to be informed enough to handle this well. The one I use is called "Finest interpretation for Mohammad Al-Sabouni". Try to find it in English and read it, it will give you another perspective to things. You may end up not caring about Islam even more, but it goes well with your journey.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="WockaFlocka"] But the Bible says that Atheists are going to hell, and to tell every one the word. I'm a religious person with morals, and I believe that you should educate, NOT preach to people. They will be more likely to believe if you don't yell " ur going to hell!".WockaFlocka

There are a lot of atheists that are disrespectful, but it's not as if there exists no disrespectful religious people; hell, disrespect for atheism has been institutionalized in Judaism and Christianity (see psalm 14:1 - this I'd not to say that all, or even a majority of Jews and Christians are disrespectful of atheists, nor does this excuse disrespect from atheists) -Sun_Tzu-

True, and what atheists don't have is anything that tells them to assume religious people are corrupt or fools just because they're religious. Many atheists used to be religious after all, like me.

it certainly doesn't have anything that says to kill apostates, like in islam, either. that's being hostile.

@fox_hound

I asked you this because I wanted to make sure. Your post is great, that's why I asked you. I can't speak for those 90% Muslims you were talking about, but I believe that A LOT of Muslims miss the point and cherry pick certain things from the Quran and the Islamic faith in general. I respect your curiosity and journey of knowing the truth, but we have a well-known saying that scholars have passed to each other through the ages that says "Whoever that takes his book as his mentor, his mistakes will be more than his corrects". I don't mean anything specific by this, but you gave Allah a certain description according to what you understood by reading the Quran. The thing is, one of the most important aspects of Quran is the fact that its native language is Arabic. Arabic is a really profound language and as a native speaker of it, its really really hard to translate it to other languages including English.GazaAli

You may (I'm sure) disagree with this, but we have certain interpretation for the Quran done by well-known scholars with certain evidences and back tracing to the days of the prophet Mohammad himself. Note that I would not normally reply like this as I'm sure I will be perceived clergy/pushy and I don't really care about what others believe, but you seem to be informed enough to handle this well. The one I use is called "Finest interpretation for Mohammad Al-Sabouni". Try to find it in English and read it, it will give you another perspective to things. You may end up not caring about Islam even more, but it goes well with your journey.

GazaAli

Are they trying to drag down everyone else with them? In every topic I see with the word "God" or "religion" in it, you immediately see all the non-believers quoting "there is no God" or "Science is proving everything false". What happened to being respectful of others? Seriously, why do atheists always feel the need to destroy other's beliefs?

Discuss.

eyebrows250

you literally can not name any other thing in humanities history that has caused more suffering.

how can you not be outspoken when it comes up?

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Why to Christians feel the need to force their beliefs on others? See, I can do it too. :roll:GazaAli

yeah, and youtube is also a great place to see alot of athiest related videos.

but how many people in the world are atheists/agnostics again? a tiny percentage?

don't act like religion is the underdog. it may the underdog in places where there's like actual discussion, and scrutiny is allowed. and religion is dying in those areas because people are generally sensible. and that's why atheists/agnostics are so active, because discussion works. and that's the asnwer to the thread.

athests are so "hostile" about discussing religion, because discussion works. and it's a good thing. I feel like this thread is making it seem like it's a bad thing to be "hostile" in discussing religion. it's a good thing. as long as it's non-violent and not harming anyone.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Why to Christians feel the need to force their beliefs on others? See, I can do it too. :roll:Phaze-Two

yeah, and youtube is also a great place to see alot of athiest related videos.

but how many people in the world are atheists/agnostics again? a tiny percentage?

don't act like religion is the underdog. it may the underdog in places where there's like actual discussion, and scrutiny is allowed. and religion is dying in those areas because people are generally sensible. and that's why atheists/agnostics are so active, because discussion works. and that's the asnwer to the thread.

athests are so "hostile" about discussing religion, because discussion works. and it's a good thing. I feel like this thread is making it seem like it's a bad thing to be "hostile" in discussing religion. it's a good thing. as long as it's non-violent and not harming anyone.

Are they trying to drag down everyone else with them? In every topic I see with the word "God" or "religion" in it, you immediately see all the non-believers quoting "there is no God" or "Science is proving everything false". What happened to being respectful of others? Seriously, why do atheists always feel the need to destroy other's beliefs?

Discuss.

eyebrows250

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Kind of have a point. Christians fight to save people, so what about atheists?

ragek1ll589

We do to. We try to save people from fairytales :P

TC is right. I'm atheist and I can't denounce douchebags like Dawkins andmaher enough. They're just plain insecure bullies.

Are they trying to drag down everyone else with them? In every topic I see with the word "God" or "religion" in it, you immediately see all the non-believers quoting "there is no God" or "Science is proving everything false". What happened to being respectful of others? Seriously, why do atheists always feel the need to destroy other's beliefs?

Discuss.

eyebrows250

Why do believers like to generalise so much?

I can do it too, you know.

it's better to be "hostie" with words than actually comitting violence in the name of religion.

maybe that's why atheists are so hostile towards religion? because religion is destructive at this point in time.

Phaze-Two

What's so daring about clicking submit?

What's so daring about clicking submit?_R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]What's so daring about clicking submit?foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]What's so daring about clicking submit?foxhound_fox

but surely if it were directed at a religious cult, like christianity, it'd be mod/ban/thread

but surely if it were directed at a religious cult, like christianity, it'd be mod/ban/thread_R34LiTY_

If I asked "Why are Christians so hostile?" I'd be moderated.

That seems like a double standard to me.

It's not a fair thing to say on either side, it's a generalization.

There are hostiles on both ends and normal ones as well.

I've met many respectful religious people and many respectful Atheists.

I'm not an atheist first off, but I am hostile to some beliefs. Someone answer me this for example: why should I be tolerant and NOT hostile to any faith that tells me I'm a bad person by nature and am condemned to hell for all of eternity, in an attempt to coerce me through fear? Sure, you may claim that not all Christians/Catholics/etc. preach such things, but that does not mean it's not a central tenet of the faith regardless. So what's the difference between that and the Nazis killing Jews because of their particular world view? And how in God's name should that view not be met with hostility, and instead given respect and tolerance?

No, I'm sorry, but I find some beliefs to be disgusting and abhorrent and not worthy of any recognition nor respect whatsoever. I do not support a parent telling their children they are trash from the earliest age, that to me constitutes child abuse, and I will not support any belief system that does the same. To hell with being PC. Unless someone can explain to me why I should...

If I asked "Why are Christians so hostile?" I'd be moderated.

That seems like a double standard to me.

It's not a fair thing to say on either side, it's a generalization.

There are hostiles on both ends and normal ones as well.

I've met many respectful religious people and many respectful Atheists.

no_more_fayth

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

If I asked "Why are Christians so hostile?" I'd be moderated.

That seems like a double standard to me.

It's not a fair thing to say on either side, it's a generalization.

There are hostiles on both ends and normal ones as well.

I've met many respectful religious people and many respectful Atheists.

frostybanana

I've seen both myself, but I honestly don't know which group I'd consider more than the other.

I think the TC is speaking more about the folks who actually post on the GS boards. To which, I must say, there are seemingly a lot more disrespectful atheists then Christians or any religious people (on these boards). Though I can't say that's a FACT, because that's just what I've personally seen. I haven't read every single thread, so I don't know for sure.frostybanana

I'm sure you could find a few hostile Atheists if you really wanted but the majority are open minded and tolerant of other beliefs. We have people of all different faiths who look down on us and think we are going to suffer for an eternity (or just cease to exist after we die) for not believing what they believe. Some religious people even look down on us as bad evil people who should be killed. If you wanted to really look at it objectively you'd see that we aren't the only hostile ones. When you got people knocking on your door trying to convert you, telling you you're going to hell or your own family members, friends, teachers or just random people speaking against you it's very easy to become hostile towards religion because you just expect them to be hostile towards you.

That being said, many Atheists, agnostics wouldn't be who they are without being at least somewhat open minded and non hostile. We live in a highly religious world and most of us were brainwashed from childhood to believe what our parents believe and do as they do. Seeing past that, looking at facts and making up our own minds then coming to the conclusion that some magical man in the sky didn't make everything (at least in our opinion) depending on how brainwashed we were does require a bit of effort. It's much easier to think you're going to live after you die and walk around thinking you know how the world was created then believing you wont live after you die and not really knowing how everything was created (just theories with minimal evidence, excluding evolution which is filled with evidence)

People are people and it doesn't matter where you look you will some hostile person who is going to speak out against you. It's better to just sit back, relax and ignore them if you don't agree with what they are saying. Labelling atheists as hostile people though is being hostile in your own right.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]but surely if it were directed at a religious cult, like christianity, it'd be mod/ban/threadfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]I think the TC is speaking more about the folks who actually post on the GS boards. To which, I must say, there are seemingly a lot more disrespectful atheists then Christians or any religious people (on these boards). Though I can't say that's a FACT, because that's just what I've personally seen. I haven't read every single thread, so I don't know for sure.foxhound_fox

How in the world is Christianity a cult?alexside1

That depends on your definition of disrespectful. I'm speaking in terms of what the TC believes is, in fact, disrespectful. And you can't get banned for that because you're not directly insulting a person.frostybanana

That depends on your definition of disrespectful. I'm speaking in terms of what the TC believes is, in fact, disrespectful. And you can't get banned for that because you're not directly insulting a person.frostybanana

Are they trying to drag down everyone else with them? In every topic I see with the word "God" or "religion" in it, you immediately see all the non-believers quoting "there is no God" or "Science is proving everything false". What happened to being respectful of others? Seriously, why do atheists always feel the need to destroy other's beliefs?

Discuss.

eyebrows250

I think what he's describing falls into the former.frostybanana

They believe what they see. They have no faith in anything other than fact. I don't agree with their beliefs, but I do respect them. And it also goes both ways, when ever there is an atheist thread, usually you will find many people defending their religion. The reality is, we don't know and will never know what happens to us when we die. Untill we die of course. So, why not stop fighting and just accept others beliefs?

[QUOTE="alexside1"]How in the world is Christianity a cult?foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]I think what he's describing falls into the former.foxhound_fox