Is the human fetus a parasite according to science?

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="DarthTuna"] I already pointed out an example...imagine somone trying to save somone who is stuck in a buring building. The person performing the rescue has no benifiet from it and is putting themselves in extreme harm just to give another person life. This does not make it bad. DarthTuna

the only reason you.me.or anyone is posting and typing right now is because you use to be a fetus who belonged to a host that willingly let you reap benefits from it which eventually turned you into a baby, being born...to know. That host was also a fetus who belonged to another host who let it inavde its benefits and that cycle keeps repeating backwards. Give back,recive,give back recive,give back recive, thats the cycle. in nature, life is not just something you get. Its a privledge and responsibility

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Um sure you do, and I have the right to call you out on your inconsistency.

If one page of wikipedia has an error it doesnt mean all the others do but it leaves the possibility open, so I dont really have to prove you wrong when your entire method of argumentation is flawed.

Now go back to the library (is that where you said you were earlier?) and actually read a book or two. Biology preferrably.

thegerg

and delicious according to the french.TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

just curious, why do you keep asking this same question? Most people on this thread are saying you are just re posting. It was random but I found this http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110902062549AAHwvUg ....which is your acount asking this same question from what i see is 5 months ago and you use same sources. Is there something emotional you have over fetuses? Are you just interested in fetuses?

OrkHammer007

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] you can prove me wrong or you can just re-post the same grasping at straws arguments, like everyone else on this thread against me.... no one has proved me wrong with science that the human fetus is NOT a parasite....when we all know it is. since i'm using wiki...you should be able to prove me wrong with science, by now...so what are you waiting for?sonicare

When you do, then people will try to prove you wrong.

Although to be fair people have tried but they were just dismissed without any counterargument which isnt very scientific, now is it?

just curious, why do you keep asking this same question? Most people on this thread are saying you are just re posting. It was random but I found this http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110902062549AAHwvUg ....which is your acount asking this same question from what i see is 5 months ago and you use same sources. Is there something emotional you have over fetuses? Are you just interested in fetuses?

DarthTuna

Man is a parasite. This planet would be better off without us

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Um sure you do, and I have the right to call you out on your inconsistency.

If one page of wikipedia has an error it doesnt mean all the others do but it leaves the possibility open, so I dont really have to prove you wrong when your entire method of argumentation is flawed.

Now go back to the library (is that where you said you were earlier?) and actually read a book or two. Biology preferrably.

Teenaged

When you do, then people will try to prove you wrong.

Although to be fair people have tried but they were just dismissed without any counterargument which isnt very scientific, now is it?

Man is a parasite. This planet would be better off without us

The_Gaming_Baby

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]You havent even proven it is.

When you do, then people will try to prove you wrong.

Although to be fair people have tried but they were just dismissed without any counterargument which isnt very scientific, now is it?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] you can prove me wrong or you can just re-post the same grasping at straws arguments, like everyone else on this thread against me.... no one has proved me wrong with science that the human fetus is NOT a parasite....when we all know it is. since i'm using wiki...you should be able to prove me wrong with science, by now...so what are you waiting for?galerouth

When you do, then people will try to prove you wrong.

Although to be fair people have tried but they were just dismissed without any counterargument which isnt very scientific, now is it?

I also dont have to claim you're wrong when I can simply say that you havent proven anything. And..... its true. No one has to disprove you when you havent even proven anything.

And you really do seem upset: you confuse posters you're talking to, you're thinking people said things they never did (I never said that citing wiki discredits your argument for instance) etc.

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="thegerg"]The problem is that your copy and pasted block of text does not support your claim.

thegerg

Yes, by scientific definition a fetus is a parasite. It lives inside its hose and drains neutrients from the host without giving anything(material) in return. different species is not a requirement for the definition of a parasite. being wanted or unwanted does not relate to the definition of a parasite. If a parasite is wanted, its still a parasite. STAR_Admiral

Why is galerouth posting this falsehood and why is he reposting it throughout this thread, as if no one read the original post?Genetic_Code

A human specimen residing within another human is not a parasite by definition, since parasites have to be of a different species.Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]Why is galerouth posting this falsehood and why is he reposting it throughout this thread, as if no one read the original post?galerouth

A human specimen residing within another human is not a parasite by definition, since parasites have to be of a different species.Genetic_Code

why you no respond to aparasite is anything that receives a benefit by causing harm to its host. So we really need to ask if the mother is being harmed. Well, she needs to eat more, which can be a problem when resources are limited. She gets heavy, which means that she's less likely to be able to run from danger. Fetus might be parasite. but parasites don't turn into babies.

HOWEVER, she is dedicating her own body to the health of her baby. Because the baby shares 50% of its genes with its mother, by having a healthy baby, the mother is really increasing her fitness in the long run. Before there was the baby, the mother had 100% of her genes in the environment. After the baby, there will be 150%. And a healthy baby will go on to produce its own babies, in theory.

So, evolution has favored this high level of parental care because in the long run, mothers increase their own fitness even through pregnancy might be tough.

And why you love/hate fetus so much?

why you no respond to aparasite is anything that receives a benefit by causing harm to its host. So we really need to ask if the mother is being harmed. Well, she needs to eat more, which can be a problem when resources are limited. She gets heavy, which means that she's less likely to be able to run from danger. Fetus might be parasite. but parasites don't turn into babies.

HOWEVER, she is dedicating her own body to the health of her baby. Because the baby shares 50% of its genes with its mother, by having a healthy baby, the mother is really increasing her fitness in the long run. Before there was the baby, the mother had 100% of her genes in the environment. After the baby, there will be 150%. And a healthy baby will go on to produce its own babies, in theory.

So, evolution has favored this high level of parental care because in the long run, mothers increase their own fitness even through pregnancy might be tough.

And why you love/hate fetus so much?

DarthTuna

Why the bloody blue f*** did you bump this f***ing thread? :evil:

[QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

why you no respond to aparasite is anything that receives a benefit by causing harm to its host. So we really need to ask if the mother is being harmed. Well, she needs to eat more, which can be a problem when resources are limited. She gets heavy, which means that she's less likely to be able to run from danger. Fetus might be parasite. but parasites don't turn into babies.

HOWEVER, she is dedicating her own body to the health of her baby. Because the baby shares 50% of its genes with its mother, by having a healthy baby, the mother is really increasing her fitness in the long run. Before there was the baby, the mother had 100% of her genes in the environment. After the baby, there will be 150%. And a healthy baby will go on to produce its own babies, in theory.

So, evolution has favored this high level of parental care because in the long run, mothers increase their own fitness even through pregnancy might be tough.

And why you love/hate fetus so much?

galerouth

i said why did you love/hate fetus so much. The baby the mother have will pass on stronger genes to the next generation of it's family. And notice how the article said rare heart attack. I don't think that applies to majority of women

How do i harm women? I'm not going around planting my seed giving women unplanned unwanted pregnancy. Pregnancy is terrible for somone if it is unplanned and they don't want it. If somone wants to start a family and gets pregent on purposes and go through the trials of pregnancy , noting is wrong with that

If you yourself don't want to have a baby inside you...thats totaly fine. If other women want a baby on purpose and are aware of the trails of pregnancy, thats also fine.

A fetus isn't a parasite, it's just a part of human reproduction. Reproduction is a fundamental function of all organisms and is necessary for the survival of the organism. A parasite relies on a host organism for the entirety of its life cycle, if at any point during it's life cycle it does not have a host, it dies. The same can not be said for a fetus. JakeTD21

totally a parasite, it lives on the nutrition of another and until not very long ago was one of the leading causes of death.

but just because it's a parasite does not mean it's something bad. there are plenty of positive parasites out there.

totally a parasite, it lives on the nutrition of another and until not very long ago was one of the leading causes of death.

but just because it's a parasite does not mean it's something bad. there are plenty of positive parasites out there.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

totally a parasite, it lives on the nutrition of another and until not very long ago was one of the leading causes of death.

but just because it's a parasite does not mean it's something bad. there are plenty of positive parasites out there.

galerouth

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

[QUOTE="galerouth"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

totally a parasite, it lives on the nutrition of another and until not very long ago was one of the leading causes of death.

but just because it's a parasite does not mean it's something bad. there are plenty of positive parasites out there.

DarthTuna

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

So we are our own enemy? Red is orange and blue is catsBad-School-Girl

[QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] i never said that a fetus being a parasite is a bad thing, i just want to stop the stop the disneyifaction (glamorizing) of pregnancy by American society, in order to save it. simple. a good chunk of america's problems, i believe is from overpopulation and women/girls are being mind-fraked into keeping unwanted pregnancy-- which can destroy families and creates children with reactive attachment disorder, thus these children can't bound with their parents and they go join gangs, and do other **** freakonics proved the abortions cut crime.

galerouth

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

Fetus dosn't make it that much better

[QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

why you no respond to aparasite is anything that receives a benefit by causing harm to its host. So we really need to ask if the mother is being harmed. Well, she needs to eat more, which can be a problem when resources are limited. She gets heavy, which means that she's less likely to be able to run from danger. Fetus might be parasite. but parasites don't turn into babies.

HOWEVER, she is dedicating her own body to the health of her baby. Because the baby shares 50% of its genes with its mother, by having a healthy baby, the mother is really increasing her fitness in the long run. Before there was the baby, the mother had 100% of her genes in the environment. After the baby, there will be 150%. And a healthy baby will go on to produce its own babies, in theory.

So, evolution has favored this high level of parental care because in the long run, mothers increase their own fitness even through pregnancy might be tough.

And why you love/hate fetus so much?

galerouth

You must have not seen that 16 and pregnant show.....

[QUOTE="galerouth"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

totally a parasite, it lives on the nutrition of another and until not very long ago was one of the leading causes of death.

but just because it's a parasite does not mean it's something bad. there are plenty of positive parasites out there.

DarthTuna

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

why you no respond to aparasite is anything that receives a benefit by causing harm to its host. So we really need to ask if the mother is being harmed. Well, she needs to eat more, which can be a problem when resources are limited. She gets heavy, which means that she's less likely to be able to run from danger. Fetus might be parasite. but parasites don't turn into babies.

HOWEVER, she is dedicating her own body to the health of her baby. Because the baby shares 50% of its genes with its mother, by having a healthy baby, the mother is really increasing her fitness in the long run. Before there was the baby, the mother had 100% of her genes in the environment. After the baby, there will be 150%. And a healthy baby will go on to produce its own babies, in theory.

So, evolution has favored this high level of parental care because in the long run, mothers increase their own fitness even through pregnancy might be tough.

And why you love/hate fetus so much?

DarthTuna

You must have not seen that 16 and pregnant show.....

[QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] i never said that a fetus being a parasite is a bad thing, i just want to stop the stop the disneyifaction (glamorizing) of pregnancy by American society, in order to save it. simple. a good chunk of america's problems, i believe is from overpopulation and women/girls are being mind-fraked into keeping unwanted pregnancy-- which can destroy families and creates children with reactive attachment disorder, thus these children can't bound with their parents and they go join gangs, and do other **** freakonics proved the abortions cut crime.

galerouth

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

You already said this and i already answered you

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="DarthTuna"]

Pro choice but i think there are way better arguements to why veruses baby just being parasite

DarthTuna

You already said this and i already answered you

Even if you call it that, then so what?

We have other parasites living in our bodies that actually have a beneficial role (gut flora would be one example if I am not horribly mistaken). The term "parasite" doesnt necessarily denote something negative.

Teenaged

I once heard that children who don't leave their parents past a certain age are considered parasites.metroidprime55

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Even if you call it that, then so what?

We have other parasites living in our bodies that actually have a beneficial role (gut flora would be one example if I am not horribly mistaken). The term "parasite" doesnt necessarily denote something negative.

weezyfb

Even grown ups are parasites.

On-topic: I guess we can consider the fetus a parasite, but is a parasite we grow to love. So no harm done.

Even grown ups are parasites.

On-topic: I guess we can consider the fetus a parasite, but is a parasite we grow to love. So no harm done.

tjricardo089

Even grown ups are parasites.

tjricardo089

Fuсk yeah those little belly critters are parasites, damn things cost just as much to get rid of.[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Even grown ups are parasites.

HerbieCucumber