Is the human fetus a parasite according to science?

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#1 galerouth
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this is what i saw on yahoo answers: THIS IS SCIENCE: FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body. as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast "The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms: It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy "Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin "It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things. just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite pregnancy CAUSES HARM: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm THE BIBLE: the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple! the 1984 NIV footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, they belly to swell" meant: numbers 5:21 "or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness" to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion. 'Ephraim, as I saw Tyre, is planted in a pleasant place; but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." Give them, O LORD -- what wilt Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit; yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.' HOSEA 9-16 the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it. 3.3.3 ATHEISM: A HISTORY OF GOD (Part 1) http://www.evilbible.com/god http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html THIS IS THE LAW: ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT. NO HUMAN ( that means the FETUS, too) has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that's why you are not forced to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception; this is supported by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment AND 13th amendment, which makes reproductive slavery unconstitutional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause "Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution this makes viability unconstitutional because pregnancy is not a crime. consensual sex=/= a legal, binding contract to an unwanted fetus to live; and abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent.
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#2 Kcinz
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Makes sense.
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All human beings are parasites, mannnnnnnnnnnn.

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Las Plagas! :o

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#5 galerouth
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thanks, i thought so too -- but the pro-life-schizophrenic-fascists/ jebusfreaks doesn't... i don't know why? hehehehe.
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#6 galerouth
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Las Plagas! :o

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i thought more like aliens, LOL... right out of the rib cage.
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#7 Overlord93
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I would argue that it doesn't match the definition of parasite, it is concieved by will, and unltimately benefits the host by continuing the species.

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Troll meter is off the charts.
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Also, no, the parasite itself has to be a different species from the host it sucking.
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#11 branketra
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This is disgusting way to interpret things.

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#12 GazaAli
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All human beings are parasites, mannnnnnnnnnnn.

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you expect me to read all that?

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#14 Teenaged
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Even if you call it that, then so what?

We have other parasites living in our bodies that actually have a beneficial role (gut flora would be one example if I am not horribly mistaken). The term "parasite" doesnt necessarily denote something negative.

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#15 alexside1
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Even if you call it that, then so what?

Teenaged
It's a piss poor attempt at degrading a fetus. I'm mean if it's a mother rights than why revert to degrading?
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#16 KiIIyou
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And like maggots when they fall out.
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#17 galerouth
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I would argue that it doesn't match the definition of parasite, it is concieved by will, and unltimately benefits the host by continuing the species.

Overlord93
symbiosis is a close relationship between two or more species...but it doesn't involve everyone in that species. i say you are wrong. FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body. as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.
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#18 galerouth
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This is disgusting way to interpret things.

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you mean science hurts your feeling? what are you talking about?
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Even if you call it that, then so what?

alexside1

It's a piss poor attempt at degrading a fetus. I'm mean if it's a mother rights than why revert to degrading?

I dont think he's succeeding. :P

He can try and include the fetus in any definition he likes. It doesnt necessarily change anything unless he takes part in a discussion where a specific aspect is being discussed that is relevant to the definition of "parasite".

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And like maggots when they fall out.KiIIyou
I question your morals from this.
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[QUOTE="KiIIyou"]And like maggots when they fall out.alexside1
I question your morals from this.

It's better than most. :)
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Even if you call it that, then so what?

Teenaged

It's a piss poor attempt at degrading a fetus. I'm mean if it's a mother rights than why revert to degrading?

The thing is... I dont see it. :P

He can try and include the fetus in any definition he likes. It doesnt necessarily change anything unless he takes part in a discussion where a specific aspect is being discussed that is relevant to the definition of "parasite".

You might not see it, but I do. Every time the topic abortion pops up, I see degradation of the fetus from the pro-choice side. It's begs the question on whatever or not they really for the woman rights or condoning the abortion itself.
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Even if you call it that, then so what?

We have other parasites living in our bodies that actually have a beneficial role (gut flora would be one example if I am not horribly mistaken). The term "parasite" doesnt necessarily denote something negative.

Teenaged

If we benefit, doesn't that mean they aren't parasites?

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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="KiIIyou"]And like maggots when they fall out.KiIIyou
I question your morals from this.

It's better than most.

Moot point.
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[QUOTE="alexside1"] You might not see it, but I do. Every time the topic abortion pops up, I see degradation of the fetus from the pro-choice side. It's begs the question on whatever or not they really for the woman rights or condoning the abortion itself.

No, I mean, he is not succeeding in it.
If we benefit, doesn't that mean they aren't parasites?David719
Imay not be very knowledgable of the definition of a parasite. Is a parasite always causing trouble?
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sorry, if it's a benefit to the host's body...then the relationship is not parasitic. i never the human fetus being a parasite WAS never...i just stated science--- so be butthurt else where, please.
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="KiIIyou"][QUOTE="alexside1"] I question your morals from this.

It's better than most.

Moot point.

The mootiest. hehe
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"It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things. just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite
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#29 galerouth
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degrading can you prove me wrong ?
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[QUOTE="alexside1"] You might not see it, but I do. Every time the topic abortion pops up, I see degradation of the fetus from the pro-choice side. It's begs the question on whatever or not they really for the woman rights or condoning the abortion itself.Teenaged
No, I mean, he is not succeeding in it.
If we benefit, doesn't that mean they aren't parasites?David719
Imay not be very knowledgable of the definition of a parasite. Is a parasite always causing trouble?

Parasite is a realtionship when the one is benifiting while the other one is being harmed. (I.E. A leach for example)

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sorry, if it's a benefit to the host's body...then the relationship is not parasitic. i never the human fetus being a parasite WAS never...i just stated science--- so be butthurt else where, please.galerouth
You sound upset.

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It has parasitic characteristics but it by definition is not a parasite.
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Imay not be very knowledgable of the definition of a parasite. Is a parasite always causing trouble?Teenaged
I might be wrong, but I think that to be considered a parasite, only the organism can benefit. The host will be negatively affected in some way. With that said, I don't think a fetus counts as one, for a parasite must be of a different species

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Even if you call it that, then so what?

We have other parasites living in our bodies that actually have a beneficial role (gut flora would be one example if I am not horribly mistaken). The term "parasite" doesnt necessarily denote something negative.

TC put it that way. That's the problem.
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too long

The difference is probably the fact that Babies have consent...for the most part

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In order for something to be a parasite, it has to be of a different species.
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In order for something to be a parasite, it has to be of a different species.harashawn
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can you prove me wrong with science? do you know what a cop-out is?
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THIS IS SCIENCE: FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body. as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast "The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms: It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy "Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin "It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things. just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite pregnancy CAUSES HARM: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
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"This is SCIENCE!"

*cites mainly wikipedia and yahoo answers*

:lol:

I'm pretty sure that science draws a distinction between parasitism and reproduction. Reproduction is an important characteristic of life; I mean look at our bodies - reproductive organs make up a significant part of the male and female anatomy.

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can you prove me wrong with science? do you know what a cop-out is?galerouth
1. You are disproven:

Parasitism is a type of non mutual relationship between organisms of different species

2. We dont have to disprove you, cause whatever you're trying to infer from your conclusion that the fetus is a parasite, is just a subjective opinion.

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Also: if the mother is malnourished the fetus suffers. It doesn't cannibalize it's mother.
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By god you are right. No woman should ever have a child again!

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Kind of. A fetus is basically like a parasite, in the sense that it has no independent social existence as a result of total biological dependence on the host.

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That was the most bizarre, nonsensical, wiki-riddled OP I have read in a long time. Congrats, TC.
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I've always agreed with that view on babies lol. The only difference I see though, disregarding rape or an "accident", is that babies are a parasite we want to have, it brings happiness in the parents. Last time I checked we dont jump and shout saying "Yay I have malaria!!" On a side note though I see nothing wrong with being leabled as a parasite, its a part of nature we all go through in order to survive.

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I remember Agent Smith calling us a virus. That sounds reasonable to me.

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[QUOTE="galerouth"]sorry, if it's a benefit to the host's body...then the relationship is not parasitic. i never the human fetus being a parasite WAS never...i just stated science--- so be butthurt else where, please.Teenaged

You sound upset.

no, not really ...i was at the library, and my time was running out.
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"] Imay not be very knowledgable of the definition of a parasite. Is a parasite always causing trouble?David719

I might be wrong, but I think that to be considered a parasite, only the organism can benefit. The host will be negatively affected in some way. With that said, I don't think a fetus counts as one, for a parasite must be of a different species

wrong, "It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things. just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite
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#50 galerouth
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"This is SCIENCE!"

*cites mainly wikipedia and yahoo answers*

:lol:

I'm pretty sure that science draws a distinction between parasitism and reproduction. Reproduction is an important characteristic of life; I mean look at our bodies - reproductive organs make up a significant part of the male and female anatomy.

Meinhard1
and your point is? the fact that women evolved with uteri is moot...as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death. "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite