Is the human fetus a parasite according to science?

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#251 OrkHammer007
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again, the topic is this:


THIS IS SCIENCE:

galerouth

No, the topic is pizza. Try to keep up with your own thread, please.

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#252 SolidSnake35
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If one wants to justify abortion, something must have gone wrong while one was a fetus. Quite understandable, I suppose.
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#253 DroidPhysX
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If one wants to justify abortion, something must have gone wrong while one was a fetus. Quite understandable, I suppose.SolidSnake35
Something went wrong with ~50% of the population? WE MUST STOP THIS EPIDEMIC Quick, to the bullsh!t mobile
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]If one wants to justify abortion, something must have gone wrong while one was a fetus. Quite understandable, I suppose.DroidPhysX
Something went wrong with ~50% of the population? WE MUST STOP THIS EPIDEMIC Quick, to the bullsh!t mobile

Probably more than that.
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#255 ZumaJones07
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man, if i had some pizza right now i'd have some pizza
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#256 Heisenderp
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If one wants to justify abortion, something must have gone wrong while one was a fetus. Quite understandable, I suppose.SolidSnake35
Again, I thought only atheists were capable of bigotry? What sorcery is this?
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#257 OrkHammer007
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If one wants to justify abortion, something must have gone wrong while one was a fetus. Quite understandable, I suppose.SolidSnake35
I believe the TC is justifying it as a source of pizza toppings...

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#259 chad_daddy
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No more fetus! only sex! make sex not abortion
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#260 OmenUK
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The only problem with human parasite's and fetus' is...

After all that science and debate, you have to unwind with a slice or two of pizza :)


(how about that for getting us back on to the TRUE topic of this thread lol)

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#261 Mikey132
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I haven't had pizza from Pizza Hut in years. I worked at one when I was in school, now I'm craving a greasy pan pizza!

Pizza thread made me hungry!

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#262 tenaka2
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Wall O text.galerouth

I am confused, is this a sodomy promotion thread?

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#263 TehFuneral
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Why the hell is this thread still alive?

I didn't even read it, but why the hell is it!

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#264 tenaka2
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Why the hell is this thread still alive?

I didn't even read it, but why the hell is it!

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Its about sodomy either before or after pizza.

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#265 DroidPhysX
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Dominos or Pizza hut?

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#266 deactivated-598fc45371265
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Why the hell is this thread still alive?

I didn't even read it, but why the hell is it!

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Screw this.

now

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#267 Mikey132
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Screw Spiderman

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#269 OrkHammer007
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Screw Spiderman

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I believe Spiderman could take Pizza the Hutt any day of the week. :lol:

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#270 galerouth
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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Screw Spiderman

OrkHammer007

I believe Spiderman could take Pizza the Hutt any day of the week. :lol:

pizza?
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#271 galerouth
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that picture is nasty.

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#272 shakmaster13
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Then any fetus/egg is a parasite to some degree. Most organisms are parasites by the definition the op gave.
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#273 Serraph105
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All human beings are parasites, mannnnnnnnnnnn.

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I heard that we were a virus from this guy.

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#274 galerouth
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Then any fetus/egg is a parasite to some degree. Most organisms are parasites by the definition the op gave.shakmaster13
thanks.
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#275 Mikey132
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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Screw Spiderman

OrkHammer007

I believe Spiderman could take Pizza the Hutt any day of the week. :lol:

No deal, the hot cheese would melt Spiderman's web. Spidey would get so exhausted trying to web him he'd end up getting hungry and Pizza would offer him a slice of poisoned pizza. Check and Mate!

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#276 galerouth
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[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Screw Spiderman

Mikey132

I believe Spiderman could take Pizza the Hutt any day of the week. :lol:

No deal, the hot cheese would melt Spiderman's web. Spidey would get so exhausted trying to web him he'd end up getting hungry and Pizza would offer him a slice of poisoned pizza. Check and Mate!

pizza
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They become parasites later on, when they turn 20 and still live off your money, use your food and internet and take up space in your house 'cause they're lazy sacks of shìt.

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#278 galerouth
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They become parasites later on, when they turn 20 and still live off your money, use your food and internet and take up space in your house 'cause they're lazy sacks of shìt.

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NO, sir---i'm not a parasite, my mommy lives with me. LOL
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#279 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="Nude_Dude"]

They become parasites later on, when they turn 20 and still live off your money, use your food and internet and take up space in your house 'cause they're lazy sacks of shìt.

galerouth
NO, sir---i'm not a parasite, my mommy lives with me. LOL

dat e-cred
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#280 Frame_Dragger
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It's a parasitic phase of an organism, from a strictly biological point of view... unless you take the genetic view that we're just carriers for genes. I don't see a clear-cut answer here. Now, the placenta is purely parasitic... perhaps that's easier to "debate"?
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#281 galerouth
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]It's a parasitic phase of an organism, from a strictly biological point of view... unless you take the genetic view that we're just carriers for genes. I don't see a clear-cut answer here. Now, the placenta is purely parasitic... perhaps that's easier to "debate"?

i'm getting sick of the "strict" word, when it comes to this biology debate, the fact is the placenta is part of the fetus. no, the WHOLE fetus is a parasite.
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I think most people who are calling a fetus a parasite are missing the point. Even if it is technically a parasite, it's a parasite that was created by you.

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]It's a parasitic phase of an organism, from a strictly biological point of view... unless you take the genetic view that we're just carriers for genes. I don't see a clear-cut answer here. Now, the placenta is purely parasitic... perhaps that's easier to "debate"?

FRAME :3 You are alive!
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No. That's just a bunch of radical-feminist hate speech directed at children. A parasite is a different species than it's host and is usually harmful to that host. A fetus/baby is of the same species, usually is not harmful, and ultimately benefits its mother (emotionally, as well as caring for her in her old age).

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#285 galerouth
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I think most people who are calling a fetus a parasite are missing the point. Even if it is technically a parasite, it's a parasite that was created by you.

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so what? cancer is all you, too.. and you have no problem getting rid of it.
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#286 galerouth
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No. That's just a bunch of radical-feminist hate speech directed at children. A parasite is a different species than it's host and is usually harmful to that host. A fetus/baby is of the same species, usually is not harmful, and ultimately benefits its mother (emotionally, as well as caring for her in her old age).

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feminist? yeah, i am a feminist, but the science is solid, mr. fallacy. if you believe that a parasite can't be the same species as its host, what is a parasitic twin?
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think most people who are calling a fetus a parasite are missing the point. Even if it is technically a parasite, it's a parasite that was created by you.

galerouth

so what? cancer is all you, too.. and you have no problem getting rid of it.

cancer isa disease/medical condition, a fetus is an organism. Cancer is when a bunch of your body cells (due to genetic mutation caused by various things such a chemicals, UV light or certain viruses) divide in non-normal manner and do not work in the way they are supposed to. Pregnancy is something totally different.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

No. That's just a bunch of radical-feminist hate speech directed at children. A parasite is a different species than it's host and is usually harmful to that host. A fetus/baby is of the same species, usually is not harmful, and ultimately benefits its mother (emotionally, as well as caring for her in her old age).

galerouth

feminist? yeah, i am a feminist, but the science is solid, mr. fallacy. if you believe that a parasite can't be the same species as its host, what is a parasitic twin?

I am not familiar with the idea of a "parasitic twin" but it seems like a medical disorder during pregnancy.

Either way a parasite is harmful to the host and does not benefit it. A fetus/child is not harmful to its mother and does benefit her.

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#289 galerouth
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[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think most people who are calling a fetus a parasite are missing the point. Even if it is technically a parasite, it's a parasite that was created by you.

whipassmt

so what? cancer is all you, too.. and you have no problem getting rid of it.

cancer isa disease/medical condition, a fetus is an organism. Cancer is when a bunch of your body cells (due to genetic mutation caused by various things such a chemicals, UV light or certain viruses) divide in non-normal manner and do not work in the way they are supposed to. Pregnancy is something totally different.

you missed the point. he said that a fetus is a part of you, then i added so is cancer...so the emotional bullscrap is moot.
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this is what i saw on yahoo answers: THIS IS SCIENCE: FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body. as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast "The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms: It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy "Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin "It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things. just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin "an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite pregnancy CAUSES HARM: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm THE BIBLE: the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple! the 1984 NIV footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, they belly to swell" meant: numbers 5:21 "or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness" to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion. 'Ephraim, as I saw Tyre, is planted in a pleasant place; but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." Give them, O LORD -- what wilt Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit; yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.' HOSEA 9-16 the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it. 3.3.3 ATHEISM: A HISTORY OF GOD (Part 1) http://www.evilbible.com/god http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html THIS IS THE LAW: ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT. NO HUMAN ( that means the FETUS, too) has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that's why you are not forced to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception; this is supported by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment AND 13th amendment, which makes reproductive slavery unconstitutional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause "Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution this makes viability unconstitutional because pregnancy is not a crime. consensual sex=/= a legal, binding contract to an unwanted fetus to live; and abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent.galerouth

what is the point of all this writing? What does slavery or the Constitution have to do with whether a fetus (the question says "human fetus" but that is stupid, if a human fetus is a parasite so too is any other fetus or any other species) is a parasite "according to science".

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Kill it with fire.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] so what? cancer is all you, too.. and you have no problem getting rid of it.galerouth

cancer isa disease/medical condition, a fetus is an organism. Cancer is when a bunch of your body cells (due to genetic mutation caused by various things such a chemicals, UV light or certain viruses) divide in non-normal manner and do not work in the way they are supposed to. Pregnancy is something totally different.

you missed the point. he said that a fetus is a part of you, then i added so is cancer...so the emotional bullscrap is moot.

I would have to disagree with him. A fetus is not a part of its mother, it is an organism all on its own. Cancer(or more accurately cancer tissue, or tumors)however, as I said above, is a part of the person, not an organism of its own accord.

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#293 whipassmt
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Kill it with fire. th3warr1or
kill what the fetus? Actually a saline abortion is quite similar to killing with fire. I've seen pictures of the fetuses killed by this method and they look like they've been burnt, their skin is all black and charcoal-like (In a certain sense it is a burning, since the saline solution essentially sucks the water out of them and dries them up, quite like burning does). It's really quite brutal.

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what is the point of all this writing? What does slavery or the Constitution have to do with whether a fetus (the question says "human fetus" but that is stupid, if a human fetus is a parasite so too is any other fetus or any other species) is a parasite "according to science".whipassmt
well, since this is a forum, why not talk about it? i doubt anyone would care after mass effect 3 is release, anyways. the human fetus is a parasite, and so is any mammal. well, the constitution doesn't support slavery, and having a woman be forced into keeping her pregnancy I.E viability IS unconstitutional because it's reproductive slavery. but to you, law and science IS evil feminists' talk, anyways.
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[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] cancer isa disease/medical condition, a fetus is an organism. Cancer is when a bunch of your body cells (due to genetic mutation caused by various things such a chemicals, UV light or certain viruses) divide in non-normal manner and do not work in the way they are supposed to. Pregnancy is something totally different.

whipassmt

you missed the point. he said that a fetus is a part of you, then i added so is cancer...so the emotional bullscrap is moot.

I would have to disagree with him. A fetus is not a part of its mother, it is an organism all on its own. Cancer(or more accurately cancer tissue, or tumors)however, as I said above, is a part of the person, not an organism of its own accord.

then i would have to disagree with you, since the fetus is using the woman's body to survive. the fetus is a genetically separate being, but it's a biologically attached to the woman.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]what is the point of all this writing? What does slavery or the Constitution have to do with whether a fetus (the question says "human fetus" but that is stupid, if a human fetus is a parasite so too is any other fetus or any other species) is a parasite "according to science".galerouth
well, since this is a forum, why not talk about it? i doubt anyone would care after mass effect 3 is release, anyways. the human fetus is a parasite, and so is any mammal. well, the constitution doesn't support slavery, and having a woman be forced into keeping her pregnancy I.E viability IS unconstitutional because it's reproductive slavery. but to you, law and science IS evil feminists' talk, anyways.

C'mon. Pregnancy is not slavery. And Roe V. Wade does allow states to ban abortions post-viability (as medical science advances, post-viability becomes ever earlier in the pregnancy too).

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="galerouth"] you missed the point. he said that a fetus is a part of you, then i added so is cancer...so the emotional bullscrap is moot.galerouth

I would have to disagree with him. A fetus is not a part of its mother, it is an organism all on its own. Cancer(or more accurately cancer tissue, or tumors)however, as I said above, is a part of the person, not an organism of its own accord.

then i would have to disagree with you, since the fetus is using the woman's body to survive. the fetus is a genetically separate being, but it's a biologically attached to the woman.

A breast-fed baby is also using the mother's body to survive. In fact the term fetus is Latin for "suckling", it refers to the child not only before, but also after birth.

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I can't believe this thread is still alive.

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[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]what is the point of all this writing? What does slavery or the Constitution have to do with whether a fetus (the question says "human fetus" but that is stupid, if a human fetus is a parasite so too is any other fetus or any other species) is a parasite "according to science".whipassmt

well, since this is a forum, why not talk about it? i doubt anyone would care after mass effect 3 is release, anyways. the human fetus is a parasite, and so is any mammal. well, the constitution doesn't support slavery, and having a woman be forced into keeping her pregnancy I.E viability IS unconstitutional because it's reproductive slavery. but to you, law and science IS evil feminists' talk, anyways.

C'mon. Pregnancy is not slavery. And Roe V. Wade does allow states to ban abortions post-viability (as medical science advances, post-viability becomes ever earlier in the pregnancy too).

when did i say that wanted pregnancy was slavery? being forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy is reproductive slavery. yes, the state nor the fed doesn't have a right to force reproductive slavery on women, just like the fed doesn't have a right to force the draft. it's a violation of the 13th amendment.
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#300 galerouth
Member since 2012 • 184 Posts

[QUOTE="galerouth"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] I would have to disagree with him. A fetus is not a part of its mother, it is an organism all on its own. Cancer(or more accurately cancer tissue, or tumors)however, as I said above, is a part of the person, not an organism of its own accord.

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then i would have to disagree with you, since the fetus is using the woman's body to survive. the fetus is a genetically separate being, but it's a biologically attached to the woman.

A breast-fed baby is also using the mother's body to survive. In fact the term fetus is Latin for "suckling", it refers to the child not only before, but also after birth.

the woman IS allowing a baby to feed from her breast, she doesn't have to do it nor she isn't being forced into doing it. the fetus, as a zygote invaded her body and hijacked her immune system to live. big difference.