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withouthatred it's obvious that these ppl don't know what they're talking aboutkarlhunguss
That sounds like a dumb answer, and it's too convoluted to be worth considering. I do not live my life around what a science fiction author wrote (that would be Scientology).TimstuffBut you live your life around something that someone wrote 6000 years ago?
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]That sounds like a dumb answer, and it's too convoluted to be worth considering. I do not live my life around what a science fiction author wrote (that would be Scientology).TeeDee1978But you live your life around something that someone wrote 6000 years ago? Is today bump old thread day or something?
[QUOTE="Diablo112688"]Let me give you the answer to everything. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING there you have it.Caddy06_88
What created God?
qetuo6
so then how could god creat something out of nothing?Since god is a creation of human mind you can answer that question with your own kreativity as help.. have fun dreaming :)
Big_player
One good analogy of the problem of peoples inability to prove or disprove god I heard; Imagine a teacup, floating through space at an incredible distance, this is of course impossible to prove becouse our telescopes are not powerful enough to detect something so small, but at the same time it is impossible to disprove it's existance at the same time. While we are all technically "teacup agnostics" becouse of the lack of logic in believing in something such as this, we would all in reality be "teacup atheists" but take into consideration; what if a large number of people believed it based on nothing? Offering one another re-enforcement of the idea, it may go so far that it is considered bizarr or even insane to disbelieve it. This idea, is esentially the basis upon what religion stands, it serves the exact same idea.withouthatredI heard that in the "Root of All Evil" documentary, it was a very good analogy.
This is such a weak discussion. complete bullcrap. it's pointless even giving anyone an answer because no-one would even understand it. tunnelvisioned religious freaks. stay in school kids.Purp-You need to calm down with the insults dude or you'll end up banned quickly...
This is such a weak discussion. complete bullcrap. it's pointless even giving anyone an answer because no-one would even understand it. tunnelvisioned religious freaks. stay in school kids.Purp-
One good analogy of the problem of peoples inability to prove or disprove god I heard; Imagine a teacup, floating through space at an incredible distance, this is of course impossible to prove becouse our telescopes are not powerful enough to detect something so small, but at the same time it is impossible to disprove it's existance for the same reasons. While we are all technically "teacup agnostics" becouse of the lack of logic in believing in something such as this, we would all in reality be "teacup atheists" but take into consideration; what if a large number of people believed it based on nothing? Offering one another re-enforcement of the idea, it may go so far that it is considered bizarr or even insane to disbelieve it. This idea, is esentially the basis upon what religion stands, it serves the exact same idea. withouthatredI wonder where you got that from.... and as usual I agree with ya.
[QUOTE="Purp-"]This is such a weak discussion. complete bullcrap. it's pointless even giving anyone an answer because no-one would even understand it. tunnelvisioned religious freaks. stay in school kids.Greatgone12
[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="Purp-"]This is such a weak discussion. complete bullcrap. it's pointless even giving anyone an answer because no-one would even understand it. tunnelvisioned religious freaks. stay in school kids.withouthatred
OMFG......That makes total sense!!!! Holy crap I mean I was atheist before I read that, but now I think I need to pick a religion since humans obviously just *poofed* here. Hmm......Well, I don't want to be a christian since that would make me go to heaven with a bunch of minivan driving bible thumpers.......... HEIL SATAN!!!Before the big bang whier the universe started their was no time , space , or matter . HOW COULD THE UNIVERSE HAVE BEEN CREATED FROM NOTHINGNESS . YOU CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING . It it not one of the laws of psychics ? Their for their had to be a god to to create something from nothing . If you have a answer for me please tell me .
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azargushasb
[QUOTE="withouthatred"]One good analogy of the problem of peoples inability to prove or disprove god I heard; Imagine a teacup, floating through space at an incredible distance, this is of course impossible to prove becouse our telescopes are not powerful enough to detect something so small, but at the same time it is impossible to disprove it's existance for the same reasons. While we are all technically "teacup agnostics" becouse of the lack of logic in believing in something such as this, we would all in reality be "teacup atheists" but take into consideration; what if a large number of people believed it based on nothing? Offering one another re-enforcement of the idea, it may go so far that it is considered bizarr or even insane to disbelieve it. This idea, is esentially the basis upon what religion stands, it serves the exact same idea. DrummerJonI wonder where you got that from.... and as usual I agree with ya.http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24922484&union_id=7382
Actually something you posted.
I believe in Creationism. Always have. Always will. Leave Atheists believe what they want. Religious wars are pointless. They accomplish nothing. So what? Someone believes differently than me. Good for them.dodgerblue13THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE="azargushasb"]OMFG......That makes total sense!!!! Holy crap I mean I was atheist before I read that, but now I think I need to pick a religion since humans obviously just *poofed* here. Hmm......Well, I don't want to be a christian since that would make me go to heaven with a bunch of minivan driving bible thumpers.......... HEIL SATAN!!! Just for the record: Before the universe beganBefore the big bang whier the universe started their was no time , space , or matter . HOW COULD THE UNIVERSE HAVE BEEN CREATED FROM NOTHINGNESS . YOU CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING . It it not one of the laws of psychics ? Their for their had to be a god to to create something from nothing . If you have a answer for me please tell me .
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SuperBeast
I think people need to start tolerating eachother. :|Media_geek20I think people just need to accept it and move on. I'm atheist. If your christian, fine, you have the right to believe what you want, but don't try to make me believe what you do, because I consider that facisim.
I wonder where you got that from.... and as usual I agree with ya.http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24922484&union_id=7382[QUOTE="DrummerJon"][QUOTE="withouthatred"]One good analogy of the problem of peoples inability to prove or disprove god I heard; Imagine a teacup, floating through space at an incredible distance, this is of course impossible to prove becouse our telescopes are not powerful enough to detect something so small, but at the same time it is impossible to disprove it's existance for the same reasons. While we are all technically "teacup agnostics" becouse of the lack of logic in believing in something such as this, we would all in reality be "teacup atheists" but take into consideration; what if a large number of people believed it based on nothing? Offering one another re-enforcement of the idea, it may go so far that it is considered bizarr or even insane to disbelieve it. This idea, is esentially the basis upon what religion stands, it serves the exact same idea. withouthatred
Actually something you posted.
>_> I never posted thatWhy the hell ask a stupid question? you are just looking for trouble bro .... do you really think that you ( from a stupid topic in a stupid message board ) can change the minds and opnions of many ..... KEEP ON DREAMING KID !!!Before the big bang whier the universe started their was no time , space , or matter . HOW COULD THE UNIVERSE HAVE BEEN CREATED FROM NOTHINGNESS . YOU CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING . It it not one of the laws of psychics ? Their for their had to be a god to to create something from nothing . If you have a answer for me please tell me .
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azargushasb
Real science-- things we can actually OBSERVE, like biology, chemestry, history, physics, and so forth all go hand in hand with what the bible has to say. The big bang and the theory of transient species however though, are only theory. They are not observeable, and therefor you have to make a descision based on what your personal beliefs are. No one was there when life began, so it all comes down to a matter of faith. Will you put your faith in the bible, or in the speculations of athiests?Timstuff
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Real science-- things we can actually OBSERVE, like biology, chemestry, history, physics, and so forth all go hand in hand with what the bible has to say. The big bang and the theory of transient species however though, are only theory. They are not observeable, and therefor you have to make a descision based on what your personal beliefs are. No one was there when life began, so it all comes down to a matter of faith. Will you put your faith in the bible, or in the speculations of athiests?Decessus
Definition of Theory ( Link )
1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2.a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3.Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4.the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5.a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6.contemplation or speculation.
7.guess or conjecture.
You cannot say that a theory is proof because it can still be altered. The theory of evolution, for instance, may be different from what we are taught in school, though Darwin's ideas may be the first step in discovering the true methods of evolution. Just because there is a massive amount of evidence for a theory doesn't mean that there isn't a piece of evidence that renders all the other evidence obsolete. To call something a theory is to do just that, to call it an educated guess, nothing more, nothing less.
There is no evidence of a big bang. The theory only exists because evolutionists can't come up with something better.
timstuff
DNA is meaningless when comparing species. Humans share more genetic information with a squirrel than a chimp, and we also share 50% of the our DNA with a common bananna.
timstuff
Sorry, I'm coming in WAY late but I'm going to answer the original question.
Answer: As an atheist I don't need to have an answer to all of the difficult questions. I believe in the big bang only so much as it's the leading theory of our times. The same goes for evolution. I don't need to have all of the answers and I don't feel the need to fill that unknown void with a god or god magic. I put my faith in humanity and our ability to transcend our nature both individually and as a whole.
The same question could be asked of those who believe in God. What came before a God? Was it always there? Yeah, well maybe the same is true of the singularity that spawned our universe. We don’t have the answers, the best we can do is keep looking.
Definition of Theory ( Link )
1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
You cannot say that a theory is proof because it can still be altered. The theory of evolution, for instance, may be different from what we are taught in school, though Darwin's ideas may be the first step in discovering the true methods of evolution. Just because there is a massive amount of evidence for a theory doesn't mean that there isn't a piece of evidence that renders all the other evidence obsolete. To call something a theory is to do just that, to call it an educated guess, nothing more, nothing less.tycoonmike
Sorry, I'm coming in WAY late but I'm going to answer the original question.
Answer: As an atheist I don't need to have an answer to all of the difficult questions. I believe in the big bang only so much as it's the leading theory of our times. The same goes for evolution. I don't need to have all of the answers and I don't feel the need to fill that unknown void with a god or god magic. 1. I put my faith in humanity and our ability to transcend our nature both individually and as a whole.
The same question could be asked of those who believe in God. 2. What came before a God? Was it always there? Yeah, well maybe the same is true of the singularity that spawned our universe. We don’t have the answers, the best we can do is keep looking.
Schwah
1. The nice thing is that it's because of nature and the theory of evolution that we are the way we are. Ultimately, humanity is an animal who will compete with other organisms, whether sentient or non-sentient, violently if necessary.
2. That depends on your own personal beliefs. I believe that before our God there was a different God who reigned over the previous universe. Once our God discovered His God's secret, our God dethroned His God and created our universe, whereas once we discover our God's secret, we essentially become God and as such can create our own universe.
[QUOTE="Kramer55"] [QUOTE="qetuo6"]What created God?
Greatgone12
I find in rather amusing that people constantly try to comprehend infinity. Within Christianity...and a lot of other World Religions, Divine beings were just there...they are infinite, "since the beginning of time"...which by the way...is the really really cruddy thought when trying to rationalize infinity...which is impossible by the way...Humans, have a finite mind, trying to understand something as infinite would be like trying to stick a CD into an 8-track player...it just doesn't work. Time and space, all are finite ideas and thoughts to simplfy a larger concept of infinity...
...but there's no point explaining...nobodies every going to truly understand it all anyway...
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
Definition of Theory ( Link )
1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
You cannot say that a theory is proof because it can still be altered. The theory of evolution, for instance, may be different from what we are taught in school, though Darwin's ideas may be the first step in discovering the true methods of evolution. Just because there is a massive amount of evidence for a theory doesn't mean that there isn't a piece of evidence that renders all the other evidence obsolete. To call something a theory is to do just that, to call it an educated guess, nothing more, nothing less.Decessus
1. Evidence for them, just as evidence for a defendant in a court of law can prove that they were involved in the purported crime, and just like it, if there is even one piece of evidence that cannot be disputed, proving that they were not participating in the crime, then that pretty much could disprove their guilt, despite all the other evidence.
2. No it isn't. For all we know, it is God that turns on the specific genes in our body that codes for our eyecolor, or our hair color. If it were a proof of evolution, then I would have evolved a set of tentacles instead of arms, or gills instead of lungs. The only reason why this didn't occur was because the environment doesn't demand it. Until our environment changes drastically enough to call for these changes, then we'll pretty much be the same, more or less. After all, we still have the animal urges of procreation and competion over resources.
3. Then why do you shoot down a thiest's beliefs? To us we have "damn good proof" that God exists. Proof is in the eye of the beholder. I look at the Bible, and the Torah, and the Qu'ran, and I see "damn good proof" that God exists. You look at them and see really old story books.
4. And yet, it still isn't a proven concept, in spite of all the evidence for it.
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