Answers About 9/11 That Conspiracy Theorists Don't Want to Hear

3.Question: Why was no plane wreckage found at the Pentagon?

Answer: There was plenty of wreckage found at the Pentagon. In addition to the wreckage, there are dozens of eyewitness accounts from people working in the Pentagon that day of a large airplane hitting the building.

Theokhoth

Problem with this one me thinks.

If I was a conspiracy theoirst, I'd have to say the eyewitness accounts were biased or false based on this fact. Assuming I believe that the government did pull off 9/11, I'm not exactly going to believe eyewitness accounts of people who were working in the pentagon that day. Besides that it was pretty interesting. Although some documentaries I've seen contradict some of what you're saying. I don't really have a view on this issue because it doesn't concern me but the debate is often interesting.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

3.Question: Why was no plane wreckage found at the Pentagon?

Answer: There was plenty of wreckage found at the Pentagon. In addition to the wreckage, there are dozens of eyewitness accounts from people working in the Pentagon that day of a large airplane hitting the building.

Murj

Problem with this one me thinks.

If I was a conspiracy theoirst, I'd have to say the eyewitness accounts were biased or false based on this fact. Assuming I believe that the government did pull off 9/11, I'm not exactly going to believe eyewitness accounts of people who were working in the pentagon that day. Besides that it was pretty interesting. Although some documentaries I've seen contradict some of what you're saying. I don't really have a view on this issue because it doesn't concern me but the debate is often interesting.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] The plane wasn't filled with 60 naval officers :?PannicAtack

Well I know this, and you know I know this. So try and make a real point please.

Well if it was an actual hijacking - with guns and actual bombs, I'd probably die from shock lol. But box cutters? Please. I have cut myself with a box cutter at work (still have a little scar actually) and laughed.

LOGICAL FALLACY: Appeal to ridicule.

Don't have any evidence or points to make? Just be incredulous and make fun of them!

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Well I know this, and you know I know this. So try and make a real point please.

AHUGECAT

Well if it was an actual hijacking - with guns and actual bombs, I'd probably die from shock lol. But box cutters? Please. I have cut myself with a box cutter at work (still have a little scar actually) and laughed.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Contrary to popular belief, the government isn't all-powerful.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

AHUGECAT

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

EDIT: Not to mention, that this was pretty much the only time that the people doing the exercises failed.

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Do the majority of people on the plane have military/navy/defense backgrounds? No worries! With the new Hijack-a-Plane Weapon, hijacking a plane full of 60 people has never been so easy!

Also included is the new Pentalawn 2001! It is so amazing that when a plane skids on it, there are no skid marks!

Here is what grass looks like when a plane crashes on it:

But with the new PentaLawn 2001, you can have perfectly good grass even when a Boeing 757 crashes on it!

Amazing!

AHUGECAT

That's not funny. That's a ******* douchy thing to do.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Answer the question.

chessmaster1989

ANSWER THE QUESTION

[QUOTE="Murj"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

3.Question: Why was no plane wreckage found at the Pentagon?

Answer: There was plenty of wreckage found at the Pentagon. In addition to the wreckage, there are dozens of eyewitness accounts from people working in the Pentagon that day of a large airplane hitting the building.

PannicAtack

Problem with this one me thinks.

If I was a conspiracy theoirst, I'd have to say the eyewitness accounts were biased or false based on this fact. Assuming I believe that the government did pull off 9/11, I'm not exactly going to believe eyewitness accounts of people who were working in the pentagon that day. Besides that it was pretty interesting. Although some documentaries I've seen contradict some of what you're saying. I don't really have a view on this issue because it doesn't concern me but the debate is often interesting.

Who worked at the pentagon. :? I've seen pictures that aren't very convincing of these facts you're telling me also.

And the sad part is, these were not trained pilots.Invisible_Kid2

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Why don't you be on a hijacked airplane before you talk crap, mmkay?PannicAtack

Well if it was an actual hijacking - with guns and actual bombs, I'd probably die from shock lol. But box cutters? Please. I have cut myself with a box cutter at work (still have a little scar actually) and laughed.

I bet if the hijackers said they also had super powers they would believe them as well?

So basically if I get a box cutter and bring it to a plane, and say I have bombs and nuclear weapons people will believe me?

You actually expect me to believe this garbage

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Murj"]

Problem with this one me thinks.

If I was a conspiracy theoirst, I'd have to say the eyewitness accounts were biased or false based on this fact. Assuming I believe that the government did pull off 9/11, I'm not exactly going to believe eyewitness accounts of people who were working in the pentagon that day. Besides that it was pretty interesting. Although some documentaries I've seen contradict some of what you're saying. I don't really have a view on this issue because it doesn't concern me but the debate is often interesting.

Murj

Who worked at the pentagon. :? I've seen pictures that aren't very convincing of these facts you're telling me also.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Well if it was an actual hijacking - with guns and actual bombs, I'd probably die from shock lol. But box cutters? Please. I have cut myself with a box cutter at work (still have a little scar actually) and laughed.

AHUGECAT

I bet if the hijackers said they also had super powers they would believe them as well?

So basically if I get a box cutter and bring it to a plane, and say I have bombs and nuclear weapons people will believe me?

You actually expect me to believe this garbage

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Indeed. If the government were omniscient, I'd either be in an insane asylum or jail right now. The former because of...problems, and the latter because of improvised weaponry I've made over the years (including a gauss cannon capable of lobbing 1-pound magnetite-cored lead slugs about 500 yards; thing was heavy as hell, though, even without the car batteries).Invisible_Kid2

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The new Hijack-a-Plane weapon! This is all you need for your plane hijacking plans.

Do the majority of people on the plane have military/navy/defense backgrounds? No worries! With the new Hijack-a-Plane Weapon, hijacking a plane full of 60 people has never been so easy!

Also included is the new Pentalawn 2001! It is so amazing that when a plane skids on it, there are no skid marks!

Here is what grass looks like when a plane crashes on it:

But with the new PentaLawn 2001, you can have perfectly good grass even when a Boeing 757 crashes on it!

Amazing!

chessmaster1989

That's not funny. That's a ******* douchy thing to do.

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

thepwninator

Actually, the pilots were bad and nearly failed pilot school. There is no way they could manipulate their way through New York and hit the precise spot to make the 2 buildings collapse, and even if they could, the Pentagon proves too much of a problem.

I'm getting sick of this, AHUGECAT.

Was WTC7 torn down with giant cables?

Answer my question.

Now.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The new Hijack-a-Plane weapon! This is all you need for your plane hijacking plans.

Do the majority of people on the plane have military/navy/defense backgrounds? No worries! With the new Hijack-a-Plane Weapon, hijacking a plane full of 60 people has never been so easy!

Also included is the new Pentalawn 2001! It is so amazing that when a plane skids on it, there are no skid marks!

Here is what grass looks like when a plane crashes on it:

But with the new PentaLawn 2001, you can have perfectly good grass even when a Boeing 757 crashes on it!

Amazing!

AHUGECAT

That's not funny. That's a ******* douchy thing to do.

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"] And the sad part is, these were not trained pilots. Then you add in the whole "we were running an exercise that involved the exact same scenarios." thing and it gets kinda weird. Also, why is it hard for people to understand that Larry Silverstein gave the ok to pull building 7? heres the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100 . There was a movie (I haven't seen it) about something like this. Wag The Dog. Maybe this is where the gov. got the idea?AHUGECAT

Actually, the pilots were bad and nearly failed pilot school. There is no way they could manipulate their way through New York and hit the precise spot to make the 2 buildings collapse, and even if they could, the Pentagon proves too much of a problem.

[QUOTE="Murj"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] There was wreckage at the Pentagon. We have radar data. We have the black box. And we have countless eyewitnesses. There's nothing to debate.PannicAtack

Who worked at the pentagon. :? I've seen pictures that aren't very convincing of these facts you're telling me also.

Funny thing is that pole that hit his cab doesn't look like a plane hit it.

[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]And the sad part is, these were not trained pilots.PannicAtack

I'm getting sick of this, AHUGECAT.

Was WTC7 torn down with giant cables?

Answer my question.

Now.

PannicAtack

No.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

That's not funny. That's a ******* douchy thing to do.

chessmaster1989

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

I'm getting sick of this, AHUGECAT.

Was WTC7 torn down with giant cables?

Answer my question.

Now.

AHUGECAT

No.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

That's not funny. That's a ******* douchy thing to do.

chessmaster1989

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] IIRC, most of the hijackers had pilots licenses, at the very least. They may not have been able to commercially fly a 767 (which needs landing), but that doesn't mean they couldn't fly them into buildings over a hundred feet wide and over a thousand feet tall. That just needs navigation, and the hardest parts of flying a plane are the takeoff and landing.thepwninator

Actually, the pilots were bad and nearly failed pilot school. There is no way they could manipulate their way through New York and hit the precise spot to make the 2 buildings collapse, and even if they could, the Pentagon proves too much of a problem.

Actually the towers should've survived the planes hitting it. The fire wasn't hot enough to make it collapse. And, you were right, they wouldn't need to go through NYC but the Pentagon still proves too much of a problem.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Murj"]

Who worked at the pentagon. :? I've seen pictures that aren't very convincing of these facts you're telling me also.

AHUGECAT

Funny thing is that pole that hit his cab doesn't look like a plane hit it.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

I'm getting sick of this, AHUGECAT.

Was WTC7 torn down with giant cables?

Answer my question.

Now.

AHUGECAT

No.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

thepwninator

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

Once they get in the pilot seat something is going on.

Even in the pre-911 world 5 men with box cutters would be laughed at. And by the way, there are cell phone calls where the victims themselves "knew" of the hijackers plans.

There goes your theory.

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually, the pilots were bad and nearly failed pilot school. There is no way they could manipulate their way through New York and hit the precise spot to make the 2 buildings collapse, and even if they could, the Pentagon proves too much of a problem.

AHUGECAT

Actually the towers should've survived the planes hitting it. The fire wasn't hot enough to make it collapse. And, you were right, they wouldn't need to go through NYC but the Pentagon still proves too much of a problem.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]And the sad part is, these were not trained pilots.Invisible_Kid2

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Uhh... yes they were...PannicAtack

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It wasn't mean to be funny. It was meant to make a point.

Do you actually think people are going to believe a few men with box cutters can take down a 60+-person plane?

thepwninator

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

Exactly my point. AHUGECAT, it is very easy for you to sit here now and say what you would have done (hindsight is 20-20, and all that), but I am 99% sure that's not what you would have done had you been on one of those planes.

Let's say they've got the pilot hostage. Now, do you attempt to rescue him, and risk him being killed in the process, in which case you have noone to fly your plane, in which case you're screwed, or do you hope for the best?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Nope. Tons of people just standing around. For example, cab driver Lloyd England, who's car had a pole run into it.PannicAtack

Funny thing is that pole that hit his cab doesn't look like a plane hit it.

Well there's another problem

Lloyd's cab (and the pole by his cab) was nowhere near where the plane was heading.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"] wheres your expert or former pilot? Heres mine.

Invisible_Kid2

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] They didn't have to manipulate their way through New York. The towers were right next to the largest chunk of building-less space in the area: the Hudson River. And they didn't have to "hit (a) precise spot to make the 2 buildings collapse"-due to the structure of these buildings, they could've hit pretty much anything on the shell of the building head-on and induced a collapse.thepwninator

Actually the towers should've survived the planes hitting it. The fire wasn't hot enough to make it collapse. And, you were right, they wouldn't need to go through NYC but the Pentagon still proves too much of a problem.

The fires were not hot enough in the towers.

In fact they weren't even hot enough to cook my marshmellows... or maybe they were.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Imagine that your plane has just been hijacked by people who have a bomb and guns on board. You have no idea that they plan to fly the plane into one of the twin towers.

Under those circumstances, I would just sit tight and hope for the best. I'd take the chance that they would just be trying to fly the plane to some random location.

AHUGECAT

Once they get in the pilot seat something is going on.

Even in the pre-911 world 5 men with box cutters would be laughed at. And by the way, there are cell phone calls where the victims themselves "knew" of the hijackers plans.

There goes your theory.

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

You just admitted yourself that the phone calls are probably not legitimate.

So, what's your point :?

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

AHUGECAT

That ignorant comment is offensive to every family that lost loved-ones in the crash. Just stop it. Go read a book, do some research on probability because it's not even funny how much it's against you right now.

[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Hardly a 'miracle maneuver.' It's a sharp turn. A dangerous turn. The hijackers clearly didn't care about the turn being dangerous.PannicAtack

Um did you not watch that PBS documentary?? He is talking about before the WTC7 collapsing - and the term "pull" means to demolish and I have given a source for that.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually the towers should've survived the planes hitting it. The fire wasn't hot enough to make it collapse. And, you were right, they wouldn't need to go through NYC but the Pentagon still proves too much of a problem.

AHUGECAT

The fires were not hot enough in the towers.

In fact they weren't even hot enough to cook my marshmellows... or maybe they were.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"] Let me guess, you're a pilot? Also, how do I not answer anything, when I provided a video of Silverstein saying to "pull tower 7"?

AHUGECAT

Um did you not watch that PBS documentary?? He is talking about before the WTC7 collapsing - and the term "pull" means to demolish and I have given a source for that.

You yourself stated that you don't believe 7 was brought down by cables.

Therefore, you contradict yourself in the "pull" statement. As "Pull" refers to bringing down a building with cables. 7 was not brought down with cables. Therefore, Silverstein cannot have been referring to demolishing the building.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] I would do so as well, as the thought that they'd fly the plane into a building, in the pre-9/11 world, wouldn't even enter my head. I'd just think I was a hostage to be used for political leverage in some country like Haiti or something.chessmaster1989

Once they get in the pilot seat something is going on.

Even in the pre-911 world 5 men with box cutters would be laughed at. And by the way, there are cell phone calls where the victims themselves "knew" of the hijackers plans.

There goes your theory.

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

You just admitted yourself that the phone calls are probably not legitimate.

So, what's your point :?

It is practically impossible during the 9-11 days (2001) for a cell phone call to be placed 8000 feet above ground.And even if it could happen - it would be dropped in an instant.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Once they get in the pilot seat something is going on.

Even in the pre-911 world 5 men with box cutters would be laughed at. And by the way, there are cell phone calls where the victims themselves "knew" of the hijackers plans.

There goes your theory.

And that's assuming the cell phone calls are legit (I have no reason to believe they are).

AHUGECAT

You just admitted yourself that the phone calls are probably not legitimate.

So, what's your point :?

It is practically impossible during the 9-11 days (2001) for a cell phone call to be placed 8000 feet above ground.And even if it could happen - it would be dropped in an instant.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually the towers should've survived the planes hitting it. The fire wasn't hot enough to make it collapse. And, you were right, they wouldn't need to go through NYC but the Pentagon still proves too much of a problem.

AHUGECAT

The fires were not hot enough in the towers.

In fact they weren't even hot enough to cook my marshmellows... or maybe they were.

[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Hardly a 'miracle maneuver.' It's a sharp turn. A dangerous turn. The hijackers clearly didn't care about the turn being dangerous.PannicAtack