Answers About 9/11 That Conspiracy Theorists Don't Want to Hear

[QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

Atleast seven of the 19 hijackers still named by the FBI turned up alive in the Middle East long after 9/11.

Al Qaeda, officially named as the prime suspect behind the attacks. This terrorist organization was a creation of the CIA, who had sent Saudis to Afghanistan in the 1980s to combat Russian incursion. They had renamed it from the older Muslim Brotherhood, a violence-prone group of Muslin radicals that had been taken over by Nazis during World War II.

They later were controlled by the CIA, which used this group to train & arm the Kosovo Liberation Army in the 1990s.

Robin Cook, Britain's foreign secretary from 1997-2001, has written that al Qaeda is a CIA creation & it's name (literally the base) actually means the CIA computer database of Arab mercenaries & fanatics rrather than some physical headquarters.

FalcoLX

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

[QUOTE="FalcoLX"]

[QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

Atleast seven of the 19 hijackers still named by the FBI turned up alive in the Middle East long after 9/11.

Al Qaeda, officially named as the prime suspect behind the attacks. This terrorist organization was a creation of the CIA, who had sent Saudis to Afghanistan in the 1980s to combat Russian incursion. They had renamed it from the older Muslim Brotherhood, a violence-prone group of Muslin radicals that had been taken over by Nazis during World War II.

They later were controlled by the CIA, which used this group to train & arm the Kosovo Liberation Army in the 1990s.

Robin Cook, Britain's foreign secretary from 1997-2001, has written that al Qaeda is a CIA creation & it's name (literally the base) actually means the CIA computer database of Arab mercenaries & fanatics rrather than some physical headquarters.

TheFragcat

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

[QUOTE="TheFragcat"][QUOTE="FalcoLX"]Dude, where do you get your weed?

-Sun_Tzu-

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

AHUGECAT

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it.

AHUGECAT

Sig worthy?? Naaaa :P

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

AHUGECAT

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

:lol:

Hitler was one of the strategic geniuses of his time. Sure, he was evil, but he was a damn genius.

[QUOTE="TheFragcat"][QUOTE="FalcoLX"]Dude, where do you get your weed?

-Sun_Tzu-

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

You suggest that i try & do research & give me a link to the BBC website...? Hilarious.

How did George W.Bush's 9/11 commission explain the collapse of the building 7? They didn't. They didn't even bother to mention it on any of their 567 page report.

There also was an unusually high volume of five-year U.S Treasury note purchases made just prior to 9/11.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it.

LikeHaterade

Sig worthy?? Naaaa :P

Hmmm...

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it.

AHUGECAT

:lol:

Actually, that would look pretty good :P

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

AHUGECAT

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

I LIKE to think 90% of the dudes posting 9/11 conspiracy theories are just trolling and don't really buy into that crap.duxup

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="TheFragcat"]

It's called research. Best thing is... it's free.

Try it sometime.

TheFragcat

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

You suggest that i try & do research & give me a link to the BBC website...? Hilarious.

How did George W.Bush's 9/11 commission explain the collapse of the building 7? They didn't. They didn't even bother to mention it on any of their 567 page report.

There also was an unusually high volume of five-year U.S Treasury note purchases made just prior to 9/11.

And if you are interested in the actual NIST 42-page report, here you go.

:lol:

Actually, that would look pretty good :P

chessmaster1989

It's your call. :P

I LIKE to think 90% of the dudes posting 9/11 conspiracy theories are just trolling and don't really buy into that crap.duxup

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Silverstein's "Pull it" refered to demolishing WTC7. It did not refer to firefighters.AHUGECAT

No, it referred to firefighters. Unless you take it out of context. :lol:

Actually, it makes more sense in context.

"...maybe the smartest thing to do is pull [the firefighters]...and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse..."

"...maybe the smartest thing to do is pull [the building]...and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse..."

If he meant pull the firefighters, would've said "pull them out." Not a demolition term. Usually when people refer to people they do not call them "it." But I am sure a building is an "it."

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/claes.html

"We were kept away from building 7 because of the potential of collapse."

"Pull it" is a demolition term that can be confirmed by Controlled Demolitions Inc. (which helped ground zero). Not to mention during the rest of the PBS documentary where Silverstein said "pull it" the demolition guys use the word "pull" again as they demolish the rest of the somewhat standing building frames.

Even FEMA referred to the collapse of WTC7 with the term "pull."

[QUOTE="duxup"]I LIKE to think 90% of the dudes posting 9/11 conspiracy theories are just trolling and don't really buy into that crap.shoeman12

Oh, I pretty much have decided that AHUGECAT is just a troll...

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I suggest you try it sometime as well.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

thepwninator

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I LIKE to think 90% of the dudes posting 9/11 conspiracy theories are just trolling and don't really buy into that crap.PannicAtack

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="duxup"]I LIKE to think 90% of the dudes posting 9/11 conspiracy theories are just trolling and don't really buy into that crap.chessmaster1989

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Heck, I've argued with one idiot who doesn't even think that a plane hit the towers.PannicAtack

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

Trolling on Youtube maybe :?

Or, maybe he's just completely ignorant :P.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Heck, I've argued with one idiot who doesn't even think that a plane hit the towers.PannicAtack

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

You were arguing with him on a video that showed the planes hitting the towers weren't you?

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

chessmaster1989

Trolling on Youtube maybe :?

Or, maybe he's just completely ignorant :P.

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Also, re: thermite...

There was none. When thermite burns, it produces barium nitrate.

No barium nitrate was found. Also, thermite has NEVER been used in a demolition. It also can't cut a vertical beam, as it cannot burn in any direction other than straight down.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

:lol: if he was on the forums, he was definitely trolling.

LikeHaterade

You were arguing with him on a video that showed the planes hitting the towers weren't you?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I suggest you try it sometime as well.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

thepwninator

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

Not with the Government.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

AHUGECAT

Not with the Government.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I suggest you try it sometime as well.

The idea that the U.S. government, which is simply awful at keeping secrets, would be able to plan such an operation like 9/11 is truly absurd, and incredibly illogical.

-Sun_Tzu-

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

It's more likely the Nazis did it. Governments do it all the time to manipulate people. In this case, the Government needed to go the Middle East so what better way than to invent terrorism? I mean there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 and anthrax letters - isn't that strange?

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

AHUGECAT

Not with the Government.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

AHUGECAT

It's more likely the Nazis did it. Governments do it all the time to manipulate people. In this case, the Government needed to go the Middle East so what better way than to invent terrorism? I mean there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 and anthrax letters - isn't that strange?

No, not really.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Planning it is relatively easy. Executing it without anyone leaking anything, especially in something of the magnitude a 9/11 coverup would be, is well-nigh impossible.thepwninator

Not with the Government.

Uh so what? That's one mistake. Plus, there is no evidence linking Osama to the attacks - and the Government has all the motives to do it.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Planning it is relatively easy. Executing it without anyone leaking anything, especially in something of the magnitude a 9/11 coverup would be, is well-nigh impossible.-Sun_Tzu-

Not with the Government.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

Yes.

Just because they couldn't keep one thing a secret doesn't mean anything. Until they show proof Osama was behind it or terrorists were behind it, they are the most likely suspects.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Not with the Government.

AHUGECAT

Uh so what? That's one mistake. Plus, there is no evidence linking Osama to the attacks - and the Government has all the motives to do it.

So did Osama bin Laden. There's no evidence linking it to the government.

What were the government's motives, then/

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Silverstein's "Pull it" refered to demolishing WTC7. It did not refer to firefighters.PannicAtack

Answer the question.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Planning it is relatively easy. Executing it without anyone leaking anything, especially in something of the magnitude a 9/11 coverup would be, is well-nigh impossible.-Sun_Tzu-

Not with the Government.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Especially with the government. Hell-they can't even keep a CIA agent's name secret. Remember the Valerie Plame thing?chessmaster1989

Uh so what? That's one mistake. Plus, there is no evidence linking Osama to the attacks - and the Government has all the motives to do it.

So did Osama bin Laden. There's no evidence linking it to the government.

What were the government's motives, then/

Iraq War.

Invent terrorism. Invent the bogey man (Osama bin Laden).

They needed a war in the Middle East, and got it.

There hasn't been a terrorist attack on the USA since 9-11-01 - this is because the Government needed only one attack to get America mad at the Middle East. Thus they invented the bogey man (Osama bin Laden). Everytime they need another war they say "teh WMDs and teh terrorism!" like they are trying with Iran.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it would be quite easy to plan something like 9-11. I mean even a 1st grader could do it. Heck Hitler did it with the Reichstag fire.

AHUGECAT

It's more likely the Nazis did it. Governments do it all the time to manipulate people. In this case, the Government needed to go the Middle East so what better way than to invent terrorism? I mean there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 and anthrax letters - isn't that strange?

And no, it is not strange that there hasn't been an attack since. There may not be such a thing as omniscient government, but there is such a thing as competent government.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Not with the Government.

thepwninator

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There is no conclusive evidence that the Nazi party was behind the Reichstag fire, so I don't know how smart it is to use one unproven conspiracy theory to prove another. In fact, the majority of historians would disagree with the idea that the Nazi Party had anything to do with the fire. So, no, it, it wouldn't me "quite easy" to plan an operation like 9/11.-Sun_Tzu-

It's more likely the Nazis did it. Governments do it all the time to manipulate people. In this case, the Government needed to go the Middle East so what better way than to invent terrorism? I mean there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 and anthrax letters - isn't that strange?

And no, it is not strange that there hasn't been an attack since. There may not be such a thing as omniscient government, but there is such a thing as competent government.

There was a leak - Larry Silverstein. Even then an operation like that wouldn't need too many people involved, and it would be easy to keep it a secret.

The fact is there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9-11 and every "terrorist' warning since then is nothing more than the bogey man.

There is no terrorist threat, and never was. Osama is probably in the White House as we speak (assuming he isn't dead). And no, I do not literally mean he is in the White House, by the way (because you will read that literally, I know it).

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Contrary to popular belief, the government isn't all-powerful.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

AHUGECAT

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Contrary to popular belief, the government isn't all-powerful.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

AHUGECAT

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Contrary to popular belief, the government isn't all-powerful.

Hell, they can't even keep the identity of one CIA officer classified, and you expect them to be able to keep something as big as 9/11 secret?

AHUGECAT

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Indeed. If the government were omniscient, I'd either be in an insane asylum or jail right now. The former because of...problems, and the latter because of improvised weaponry I've made over the years (including a gauss cannon capable of lobbing 1-pound magnetite-cored lead slugs about 500 yards; thing was heavy as hell, though, even without the car batteries).thepwninator

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

When 5 men with box cutters are hijacking your plane, the real plan is to sit and laugh. Especially when the plane is full of people from the Navy.

Now if they had guns and explosives you'd have a point. But box cutters? Please. Even me - a person who can't fight worth a darn - would laugh at a bunch of men threatening a plane full of 60 Navy officers with box cutters.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

AHUGECAT

When 5 men with box cutters are hijacking your plane, the real plan is to sit and laugh. Especially when the plane is full of people from the Navy.

Now if they had guns and explosives you'd have a point. But box cutters? Please. Even me - a person who can't fight worth a darn - would laugh at a bunch of men threatening a plane full of 60 Navy officers with box cutters.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Indeed. If the government were omniscient, I'd either be in an insane asylum or jail right now. The former because of...problems, and the latter because of improvised weaponry I've made over the years (including a gauss cannon capable of lobbing 1-pound magnetite-cored lead slugs about 500 yards; thing was heavy as hell, though, even without the car batteries).PannicAtack

So basically 19 men with box cutters can hijack planes filled with 60 people - many of them involved in the military - crash them into 2 110 story buildings without being seen, and crash into the pentagon (which coincidentally had nearly no one in it), using incredible maneuvers but the world's most advanced/largest government with weapons so powerful they can take out a country the size of Russia can not.

Okay.

Ohhh bomb threats. Let's all believe them and just bow down to their demands!

As I said, the majority of people in Flight 77 (not sure about the others) had military or Navy or defense backgrounds.

They would have been laughed at.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It's more likely the Nazis did it. Governments do it all the time to manipulate people. In this case, the Government needed to go the Middle East so what better way than to invent terrorism? I mean there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 and anthrax letters - isn't that strange?

AHUGECAT

And no, it is not strange that there hasn't been an attack since. There may not be such a thing as omniscient government, but there is such a thing as competent government.

There was a leak - Larry Silverstein. Even then an operation like that wouldn't need too many people involved, and it would be easy to keep it a secret.

The fact is there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9-11 and every "terrorist' warning since then is nothing more than the bogey man.

There is no terrorist threat, and never was. Osama is probably in the White House as we speak (assuming he isn't dead). And no, I do not literally mean he is in the White House, by the way (because you will read that literally, I know it).

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] As I said before in this thread, the general pre-9/11 procedure in event of an attempted hijacking was to let them do it, as it was assumed they'd simply be doing a hostage taking for political reasons. A struggle could potentially harm the pilots, which would have put the lives of everyone on board at risk.thepwninator

When 5 men with box cutters are hijacking your plane, the real plan is to sit and laugh. Especially when the plane is full of people from the Navy.

Now if they had guns and explosives you'd have a point. But box cutters? Please. Even me - a person who can't fight worth a darn - would laugh at a bunch of men threatening a plane full of 60 Navy officers with box cutters.

Well I know this, and you know I know this. So try and make a real point please.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

When 5 men with box cutters are hijacking your plane, the real plan is to sit and laugh. Especially when the plane is full of people from the Navy.

Now if they had guns and explosives you'd have a point. But box cutters? Please. Even me - a person who can't fight worth a darn - would laugh at a bunch of men threatening a plane full of 60 Navy officers with box cutters.

AHUGECAT

Well I know this, and you know I know this. So try and make a real point please.