A huge flaw in christianity....

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mr_poodles123

How do you know he was never taught about God? mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mr_poodles123

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

:| what the f***?

Osama lived in the West and knew all about Christianity.

In any case, that's only one interpretation of scripture. I am not referring to the unitarian faith model here either -- there are many Christians who believe that the Last Judgement Day is specifically meant to resurrect the unsaved masses who never heard or understood the message to understanding and salvation. This was for instance the position of my former faith.

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

Both Islam and Christian religions follow the same god. They just have a slightly different way of looking at him.

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

It is possible to find God without the aid of a Christian, I think Moses did so. Anyway that's why many Christians go on missionary work, to spread the word of God.

As for the second part of the question, simply what. Osama knew about Christianity and he depised it and Christ's followers, that wouldn't get you a ticket to heaven.

No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mindstorm

Although I'm a Catholic, I can't say I believe this...

The Bible says something along the lines of, Those who Know the instructions and do not do will recieve a greater punishment than those that don't know and don' do...

Those that do without knowing will be rewarded greater aswelll...

So your'e saying that you have to be a christian to go to heaven???

No way man...

Thats harsh; Jesus came to all people, and not just to save those that know him.

Yes, we don't want the world to go to hell, and we do missionary work to bring them to the true faith, but If you live out Gods message, even in another religion, why can't you go to heaven, hmm?

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

Well he was a Muslim, and they have the same God as Christians and Jews, sooooo.......

Osama lived in the West and knew all about Christianity.

In any case, that's only one interpretation of scripture. I am not referring to the unitarian faith model here either -- there are many Christians who believe that the Last Judgement Day is specifically meant to resurrect the unsaved masses who never heard or understood the message to understanding and salvation. This was for instance the position of my former faith.

m0zart

Aren't you Jewish? I thought you were Jewish too.

In my eyes entire christianity is a huge flaw.

Actually, a funny thing that I debated the other day with my brother was who goes to hell and heaven. My brother did not take my theory very well.

So in all rates, Osama does not go to hell nor heaven; his fate is in God's hands and it is not up to us to decied.

Also of note, those who have heard clearly heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and have rejected it will possibly receive a more severe punishment than the person who has never heard. The text of Scripture clearly states that people such as myself who wish to teach these things will held accountable for far more than the person who has never heard. For those who are trusted with much, much is expected.mindstorm

By that token, wouldn't spreading Christianity to places with other faiths (the vast majority of the people in the world) actually make things worse for most of those people?

I mean, if the people of some remote nation had led great and moral lives under their own indigenous belief systems, they'd normally probably go to hell for being born in the wrong place (if Christianity turns out to be real). With the intervention of missionaries, they've now got the choice of either abandoning their previous ways of life, or be doomed to an even worse fate for rejecting Christianity...which isn't much of a choice.

As an alternative to that, what if they had a religion which also believed that rejection was worse than ignorance? They've now got an impossible choice between two completely valid religions, the consequences of which are much worse, all because they'd recently been taught all about Christianity.

Alternately, if the Christian God isn't that harsh and doesn't punish people for ignorance, then it would be in missionaries' best interests to never tell anyone about Christianity...since at least then all good people regardless of faith might have a fair shot at going to Heaven. Under this method, once you start spreading the word, good people who believe in their own religions end up paying the price.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.Fundai

Although I'm a Catholic, I can't say I believe this...

The Bible says something along the lines of, Those who Know the instructions and do not do will recieve a greater punishment than those that don't know and don' do...

Those that do without knowing will be rewarded greater aswelll...

So your'e saying that you have to be a christian to go to heaven???

No way man...

Thats harsh; Jesus came to all people, and not just to save those that know him.

Yes, we don't want the world to go to hell, and we do missionary work to bring them to the true faith, but If you live out Gods message, even in another religion, why can't you go to heaven, hmm?

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Osama lived in the West and knew all about Christianity.

In any case, that's only one interpretation of scripture. I am not referring to the unitarian faith model here either -- there are many Christians who believe that the Last Judgement Day is specifically meant to resurrect the unsaved masses who never heard or understood the message to understanding and salvation. This was for instance the position of my former faith.

th3warr1or

Aren't you Jewish? I thought you were Jewish too.

Nah. I mentioned before that the faith I belonged to was a form of Messianic Judaism. That's essentially what it was.

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

quite frankly your first bit about people not knowing God on a personal level leads to the truly big flaw in Christianity. Without knowing God's true thoughts and motives people will misinterpret the only true link they have to God which is the Bible. So that means our whole notion of people not believing in Jesus Christ as the savior will mean they go to Hell just may have been misinterpreted right from the beginning.

everything can be forgiven = the flaw. The pope forgave the man who tried to assassinate him.

everything can be forgiven = the flaw. The pope forgave the man who tried to assassinate him.

wis3boi

How many religion threads do we need?LazyMushroom

As many as it takes.

No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mindstorm

Religion in general has too many flaws

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

If Heaven is filled with a bunch of fanatic religious who don't mind in killing thousands of people and putting God as an excuse, then sure, he is in heaven.

Religion in 5 secs. You don't believe in God? HELL. You don't go to church? HELL. You like sex? HELL. You smoke/drink? HELL. You swear if you drop something on your foot? HELL. You ask yourself "Why is christianity right and the rest are wrong?" HELL. You believe in science and the questions of "Why?" and "Why not?" HELL. However they say God is forgiving.iskeethunters

Despite what many people try so hard to convince most religions tell you to be a good man, have a decent life, worship God and you'll be saved.

No, only a person who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be saved - even those who have never heard the name. That said, why else do you think Christianity seeks to do foreign mission-work? Simply put, we do not wish for the world to go to hell.mindstorm

How many religion threads do we need?LazyMushroom

[QUOTE="iskeethunters"]Religion in 5 secs. You don't believe in God? HELL. You don't go to church? HELL. You like sex? HELL. You smoke/drink? HELL. You swear if you drop something on your foot? HELL. You ask yourself "Why is christianity right and the rest are wrong?" HELL. You believe in science and the questions of "Why?" and "Why not?" HELL. However they say God is forgiving.madsnakehhh

Despite what many people try so hard to convince most religions tell you to be a good man, have a decent life, worship God and you'll be saved.

Which god, there are so many, its wrong to say a specific religion is correct threre are sooo many.

Being a good person does not need religious backing.

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

Christianity is a very broad term. Catholics, for example belive and pray that all "good" people will go to heaven. Not beliving in Jesus Christ isn't a dealbraker.

Saying that people who don't know about God automatically go to hell is total BS. You don't think God would understandthat therearepeople who livedgood lives that have a place in heaven but never heard of christianity in places like Papau New Guniea or in theAmazon?Sorry, but I tend to think God realizes this and won't keep good people out of heaven just because they never knew he existed.

it says numerous times in the bible every man will be judged off his works. Bin Laden will be judged, and obviously will go to hell from his works. The millions who weren't reached and never knew about God aren't going to hell, they will be judged like everyone else.mohfrontline

Bin ladens actions were wrong, very wrong and he deserved to die.

However he thought that his god thought he was right in his actions.

Isn't it better to judge people on our values rather then mix everything up with religion?

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[QUOTE="iskeethunters"]Religion in 5 secs. You don't believe in God? HELL. You don't go to church? HELL. You like sex? HELL. You smoke/drink? HELL. You swear if you drop something on your foot? HELL. You ask yourself "Why is christianity right and the rest are wrong?" HELL. You believe in science and the questions of "Why?" and "Why not?" HELL. However they say God is forgiving.tenaka2

Despite what many people try so hard to convince most religions tell you to be a good man, have a decent life, worship God and you'll be saved.

Which god, there are so many, its wrong to say a specific religion is correct threre are sooo many.

Being a good person does not need religious backing.

Agree, i put worship God because it's what most religions always ask but i don't think is a huge factor at the end of the day, but my point still stands, if you worship Buda and had a decent life, then most likely you will be saved even if God (Catholic God) is the true God, just like a Catholic or an Atheist will receive salvation even if Buda is the true God.

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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Despite what many people try so hard to convince most religions tell you to be a good man, have a decent life, worship God and you'll be saved.

madsnakehhh

Which god, there are so many, its wrong to say a specific religion is correct threre are sooo many.

Being a good person does not need religious backing.

Agree, i put worship God because it's what most religions always ask but i don't think is a huge factor at the end of the day, but my point still stands, if you worship Buda and had a decent life, then most likely you will be saved even if God (Catholic God) is the true God, just like a Catholic or an Atheist will receive salvation even if Buda is the true God.

I agree with you, it doesnt matter if there is an afterlife. What matters is that your a good person. Many good people live in this world who have never hears of the buy-bull, the evil thought that they will suffer because they have never heard the 'word of god' is an aberation.

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Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

Fundai

Well he was a Muslim, and they have the same God as Christians and Jews, sooooo.......

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

00-Riddick-00

Well he was a Muslim, and they have the same God as Christians and Jews, sooooo.......

So, Christians worship Jesus or God ?

It hardly seems fair to expect people to believe in some way, some story that only makes moral or holistic 'sense' to some of us.
I can understand that rationality is not always the answer, and that things like morals, intuition, the heart etc. are also of value and can also be followed instead of rationality.

Then again nobody said the truth has to be fair, or that God has to be fair.
Then it is more a throw of the dice, a gamble, though. I thought God didn't like us gambling?