A huge flaw in christianity....

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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] I'm still standing. :)Messiahbolical-

Doesn't prove anything, they have internet everywhere these days even in hell, does it run over firewire down there?

he isnt a genie champ

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[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"] He believes in the same God that Christians do. The main differences are the rituals that each group performs. Most religions believe in "one" god, or higher being. It's the same God.whitetiger3521

FYI

Just because a doctrine/belief system states God is ONE does not make their concept of God the same as the Islamic concept of God.

There is a lot more to it.

But concerning Judaism and Christianity it's a whole new story which I do not wish to "hi-jack" this thread for.

Islam and Judaism are very similair. They both believe in ONE God and the same God. They both believe in the prophets of the Old Testament, The 10 commandments and so forth. Only big difference is that Islam believes that Jesus is the messiah and Muhammad is a prophet, While Judaism does not believe in either person.

Not the same God.

If this is what Judaism teaches, then no - not the same God:

The bible says that God gets tired and needs to rest to be refreshed.
InGenesis 2-3it says:"And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because in it Herested from all the work of creating that He had done."
InExodus 31-17it says:"...for in six days the lord made heaven and earth, and on theseventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

Like I said concerning the Islamic viewpoint of Judaism and Christianity is a whole new story.

There is a difference in saying that Muslims, Jews and Christians are attempting to worship the same Divine Being, The Supreme Being - The Creator.

But to say that all three religions have the "same" concept of God in saying that it is the "same" God is incorrect.

he isnt a genie champ

chaoscougar1

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he isnt a genie champ

Messiahbolical-

I agree..

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[QUOTE="xfxfxfanatikx"]

FYI

Just because a doctrine/belief system states God is ONE does not make their concept of God the same as the Islamic concept of God.

There is a lot more to it.

But concerning Judaism and Christianity it's a whole new story which I do not wish to "hi-jack" this thread for.

xfxfxfanatikx

Islam and Judaism are very similair. They both believe in ONE God and the same God. They both believe in the prophets of the Old Testament, The 10 commandments and so forth. Only big difference is that Islam believes that Jesus is the messiah and Muhammad is a prophet, While Judaism does not believe in either person.

Not the same God.

If this is what Judaism teaches, then no - not the same God:

The bible says that God gets tired and needs to rest to be refreshed.
InGenesis 2-3it says:"And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because in it Herested from all the work of creating that He had done."
InExodus 31-17it says:"...for in six days the lord made heaven and earth, and on theseventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

Like I said concerning the Islamic viewpoint of Judaism and Christianity is a whole new story.

There is a difference in saying that Muslims, Jews and Christians are attempting to worship the same Divine Being, The Supreme Being - The Creator.

But to say that all three religions have the "same" concept of God in saying that it is the "same" God is incorrect.

A better word to be used was "ceased" God ceased the creation on the seventh day and made it holy. The ten commadments is the holy law of God and is included one form or another in the Torah, Gospel and Quran.Now if they weren't the same God then the ten commandments wouldn't be in there.

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

whitetiger3521

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

EDIT: Doesn't the bible say:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..."

BUT

... At the same time say jelousy is a sin?

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[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]

Biggest flaw in Christianity...

• If Gods the creator of all, who made God?
• If everything is a part of "Gods plan" why do we get judged?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

EDIT: Doesn't the bible say:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..."

BUT

... At the same time say jelousy is a sin?

God doesn't sin. His jealousy is righteous. Our jealously is selfishand thus sinful.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

whitetiger3521

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

whitetiger3521

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

Did he create hell then?

God doesn't sin. His jealousy is righteous. Our jealously is selfishand thus sinful.fbstar57

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God created time and doesn't need a beginning, God has always existed in eternity. You get judged because you are human, knowing good and evil.

whitetiger3521

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

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[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"] What is God?Rougehunter

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

An old book says so.

[QUOTE="fbstar57"]God doesn't sin. His jealousy is righteous. Our jealously is selfishand thus sinful.scorch-62

By biblical definition, sin is transgression against God or rebellion against God. Explain to me how God is sinning against himself. The creator and king of the universe has the right to do as He wants. There is no double standard. Us humans just think that we deserve things that we do not.

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

mr_poodles123

The Bible says that even people who have grown up in such an environment still have no excuse because God has made himself evident in nature.

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God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

tenaka2

An old book says so.

There are many arguments for a god other than the Christian Bible.

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[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]And how did we come to this conclusion?

fbstar57

An old book says so.

There are many arguments for a god other than the Christian Bible.

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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

God is thecreator of the universe and everything that is in it.

tenaka2

An old book says so.

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[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]And how did we come to this conclusion?

Rougehunter

An old book says so.

[QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Ok, so here is my logic:

People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.

Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?

J-man45

The Bible says that even people who have grown up in such an environment still have no excuse because God has made himself evident in nature.

I agree, typhoid, malaria and cancer have convinced me on the greatness of god.

How do we know the old book's contents are true?

Rougehunter

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[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]And how did we come to this conclusion?

Rougehunter

An old book says so.

The book itself tells us its true.

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An old book says so.

tenaka2

The book itself tells us its true.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

An old book says so.

fbstar57

[QUOTE="fbstar57"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]How do we know the old book's contents are true?

Rougehunter

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[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]How do we know the old book's contents are true?

fbstar57

The book itself tells us its true.

I am not trolling as its the usual christian arguement. Please provide 1 piece of evidence of the existance of god. Please don't say 'rainbows' or that everything is so fab you can't imagine its natural.

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The book itself tells us its true.

tenaka2

I am not trolling as its the usual christian arguement. Please provide 1 piece of evidence of the existance of god. Please don't say 'rainbows' or that everything is so fab you can't imagine its natural.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="fbstar57"]God doesn't sin. His jealousy is righteous. Our jealously is selfishand thus sinful.fbstar57

By biblical definition, sin is transgression against God or rebellion against God. Explain to me how God is sinning against himself. The creator and king of the universe has the right to do as He wants. There is no double standard. Us humans just think that we deserve things that we do not.

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[QUOTE="fbstar57"] I know you're just trolling and using a circular reasoning argument. There are other evidences besides the circular logic you are making fun of.fbstar57

I am not trolling as its the usual christian arguement. Please provide 1 piece of evidence of the existance of god. Please don't say 'rainbows' or that everything is so fab you can't imagine its natural.

I am not making fun of Christians, parts of the bible are obviously true however most parts are not. The Bible can be a good morality guide for those that don't have a moral compass. But I do take issue with those that take the bible literally.

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[QUOTE="fbstar57"] His answer was a sarcastic one. If you really want to know evidence that contributes to people claiming the Christian Bible as true it's very easy to Google it.fbstar57

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"] God sins; he just (terribly) justifies his sinfulness. Or is this double standard supposed to be righteous, too?scorch-62

By biblical definition, sin is transgression against God or rebellion against God. Explain to me how God is sinning against himself. The creator and king of the universe has the right to do as He wants. There is no double standard. Us humans just think that we deserve things that we do not.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="fbstar57"]

By biblical definition, sin is transgression against God or rebellion against God. Explain to me how God is sinning against himself. The creator and king of the universe has the right to do as He wants. There is no double standard. Us humans just think that we deserve things that we do not.

fbstar57

Why does god have a tail bone, an appendix that often bursts and a mind that loses its edge in old age?

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I am not trolling as its the usual christian arguement. Please provide 1 piece of evidence of the existance of god. Please don't say 'rainbows' or that everything is so fab you can't imagine its natural.

tenaka2

I am not making fun of Christians, parts of the bible are obviously true however most parts are not. The Bible can be a good morality guide for those that don't have a moral compass. But I do take issue with those that take the bible literally.

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[QUOTE="fbstar57"] So then you are just making fun of Christians. Are you asking for evidence for the existence of a god or for evidence that the Christian Bible is true?fbstar57

I am not making fun of Christians, parts of the bible are obviously true however most parts are not. The Bible can be a good morality guide for those that don't have a moral compass. But I do take issue with those that take the bible literally.

I respect and appreciate this.

[QUOTE="fbstar57"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]I know :P. Was just playing along with it. On a serious note though there are facts behind some stories from the bible but what can possibly explain the origin of the universe when people in those times thought the Earth was all there was?

Rougehunter

I don't have all of the answers and I don't even know if this is correct. But essentially I think they pretty much just said "God did it." Now that we know much more about science we can somewhat trace the history of the universe fairly far back to a "first cause." It's possible that that first cause is indeed God and that it is possible that God did actually do it. I don't know how the people thousands of years ago came up with the idea that God did it. Maybe He really did tell them through prophets or something or maybe they just completely made it up. I don't really know. But I think that it is possible that somehow God did do it and is the first cause. I don't really know. I'm sure something on google or a book could explain better than that.fbstar57

Your a great example for christians.

[QUOTE="fbstar57"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] God supposedly created us in his image. So you're saying that he's punishing us for all of the things he hates about himself.tenaka2

Why does god have a tail bone, an appendix that often bursts and a mind that loses its edge in old age?

Your a great example for christians.

tenaka2

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Your a great example for christians.

fbstar57

I fully agree, you are a good example of religion being a good even great thing, you obviously have faith and while I lack that I appreciate and admire yours.

The people I have issue with are those that use religion for hate, hate of differences, hate of science, hate of moving forward. The challenge of Christianity isthat certain people try to make it a political issue rather then a spiritual one.

Fundie christians would see you (and almost everyone else) as people destined to hell unless they believed in the literal interpretation of the bible.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="fbstar57"]By biblical definition, sin is transgression against God or rebellion against God. Explain to me how God is sinning against himself. The creator and king of the universe has the right to do as He wants. There is no double standard. Us humans just think that we deserve things that we do not.fbstar57

[QUOTE="fbstar57"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] God supposedly created us in his image. So you're saying that he's punishing us for all of the things he hates about himself.tenaka2

Why does god have a tail bone, an appendix that often bursts and a mind that loses its edge in old age?

It can be argued that those things do serve a purpose such as a stable back structure and can fight off diseases if I am not mistaken.