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@Master_Live said:

@lamprey263 said:

"Mrs. Clinton, speaking to the American Jewish Congress in New York"

well, that explains why she said what she said, but I don't think her or anybody else plans to attack Iran, this is just pandering the the hawkish Jewish constituency

Racist.

lul really?

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

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Teaching a bunch of middle school kids creationism is not going to affect our scientific development as a nation. The people that do push our scientific development (more specifically in the field of biology) are - not accountants, not minimum wage McDonald workers, not lawyers, but PEOPLE WITH DEGREES IN BIOLOGY. To get a degree in BIOLOGY you will have to demonstrate extensive knowledge of evolution.

So lying to children when they're intellectually immature and prone to accepting bogus ideas won't have any effect on them down the road? Keep piling these absurd ideas on. While your at it keep using the work 'Neck beard'. Detracts from your already hilarious posts.

What you're saying it utter nonsense. It would be akin to me saying that barring the teaching of religion to kids in the nation wouldn't have any effect on the number of adult believers down the line.

Also you're assuming that the vast majority of kids will remember what they are taught in middle school and that somehow this will affect them later in life. This is laughable.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

@nomsayin said:

Teaching a bunch of middle school kids creationism is not going to affect our scientific development as a nation. The people that do push our scientific development (more specifically in the field of biology) are - not accountants, not minimum wage McDonald workers, not lawyers, but PEOPLE WITH DEGREES IN BIOLOGY. To get a degree in BIOLOGY you will have to demonstrate extensive knowledge of evolution.

So lying to children when they're intellectually immature and prone to accepting bogus ideas won't have any effect on them down the road. Keep piling these absurd ideas on. While your at it keep using the work 'Neck beard'. Detracts from your already hilarious posts.

What you're saying it utter nonsense. It would be akin to me saying that barring the teaching of religion to kids in the nation wouldn't have any effect on the number of adult believers down the line.

My argument is that it's going to have little to no effect on our development in the biological sciences as a nation. People that push the envelope in the biological sciences are people with degrees in biology. To have a degree in biology, you have to believe in evolution (or at least demonstrate knowledge in it). If you don't listen to what your professors are teaching you (that evolution is fact), you will fail out, end of story. You don't get a degree in biology from an accredited university without believing in evolution. Once again, reread my post before you make yourself look like a neckbeard. Also, as I stated before, THE HIGHEST LEVEL BIOLOGY CLASS IN HIGH SCHOOL TALKS ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION EXTENSIVELY.

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The College Fix reported on March 12 that department of feminist studies professor Mireille Miller-Young, whose research emphasis is black studies, pornography, and sex work,

smh smh smh smh

Sad that we call the people that teach subjects like these "professors"

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Not all pastors are like that.

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#6  Edited By nomsayin
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@-Sun_Tzu- said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

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@The-Apostle said:

So what if they teach religion? What do you think religious institutions are for? Learning about non-religious teachings?

>_>

"Taxpayer money"

That whole "separation of church and state" deal-y.

Separation of church and state...ie the government can't force religion on you. And a religion doesn't run the state. And?

You didn't read the OP.

Yeah I did. And some private schools get some money from the government to subsidize the education...which would cost taxpayers more money if they had to educate those students in full.

Not really, this money is obviously going to waste if it's funding creationism.

You do know regular classes are taught? Apparently not....they have to follow state curriculum dude.

"Calvary Christian Academy, this one in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., describes the goal of its AP Biology course as preparing “students to have faith in Jesus in an age of science by evaluating college-level biology, chemistry and physics from a purely biblical perspective.”"

"at Cherokee Christian School in Woodstock, Ga., the biology curriculum presents Charles Darwin’s theories mostly in the context of showing students how to rebut them. Students are taught to argue, for instance, that cellular mutation could not lead to increased genetic variation. A class goal: “Discuss the importance of a right view of evolution.”"

I took AP Biology in high school. To do well on the nationally administered AP Exam in May, you have to be able to demonstrate knowledge of evolution. If you don't, they'll fail you.

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Why I hate Obama

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

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No, it's not hard to follow up. If they can't follow up and learn that evolution is a fact they're going to fail their college level classes and not even have a biology related profession in the first place. It's not that difficult. Also, as i said before, the highest level biology class you can take in high school is AP Biology, where evolution is taught as a fact.

I'm not saying you shouldn't teach evolution (you clearly should) but it's not that big of a deal if a bunch of middle school kids get taught creationism. Neckbeards make it sound like it's a colossal issue, when it really in actuality has no effect on our development as a nation. Also, you're acting as though most people remember what they learn in high school..yeah right. Many adults barely know how to do algebra. Learning evolution/creationism has no effect on anything science related. A person that won't pass college level biology classes is not going to have a biology related profession. Period. And to pass a college level biology class you're definitely going to demonstrate knowledge and belief in the theory of evolution.

lol wut? No impact on us as a nation? We're falling behind in science compared to many countries at the moment across all fields of science. How can you say that its not a big deal to teach the UNIFYING principle that cohesively binds an entire field of study?

I mean just look at the second bolded part of your post. No effect on anything science related? In order to teach creationism you need to shun modern cosmology, plate tectonics, radioactive decay, geology etc.....do you see where this is going?

I've seen some dumb posts but holy shit.

Reread my post, dumbass. Teaching a bunch of middle school kids creationism is not going to affect our scientific development as a nation. The people that do push our scientific development (more specifically in the field of biology) are - not accountants, not minimum wage McDonald workers, not lawyers, but PEOPLE WITH DEGREES IN BIOLOGY. To get a degree in BIOLOGY you will have to demonstrate extensive knowledge of evolution. It will not affect our scientific development as a nation if a bunch of potential lawyers, minimum wage workers, accountants, etc. believe in evolution. Yes, teaching evolution obviously should be the preference, but it's hardly as substantial of an issue as neckbeards on the internet make it seem.

And the reason we're behind in science (k-12 education) is because of poor teachers, American culture's lazy work ethic, and the government pumping money into school systems that are trash. Regardless, our universities still remain probably the best in the world. Harvard is still Harvard, MIT is still MIT, Stanford is still Stanford.

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@lostrib said:

@nomsayin said:

This whole fear of creationism being taught in public schools is pretty stupid. The highest level biology course you can take in grade school is AP Biology, and to pass that exam (which is a nationally administered college-level test and is not determined by state/local school boards) you have to demonstrate knowledge in the theory of evolution. So if creationism is going to be taught, it's going to be taught in middle school level and basic high school level classes. Most students are not going to go into a field that is biology based, so why the fvck does it matter if they believe in the theory in the first place? If you're going to be doing anything significant with biology in your life you're definitely going to have to take college level biology classes where evolution is taught as the unifying theory of all biology. So, in other words, having a bunch of middle school and elementary school kids get taught creationism is not going to fvck anything up, contrary to popular belief. If they want to do something in biology, they're eventually going to be taught that evolution is scientific fact.

Well for one thing it has no place in a science class. And when they say Creationism, it usually means Christian Creationism and that gets far too close to the state promoting a specific religion. Also, if you teach them Creationism and God created all creatures, it's kind of hard to follow that up later with "oh yeah, that's not what happened in reality, instead here is scientific facts"

I agree with what you said about Christian creationism shouldn't be taught in school though, for sure. But is the "intelligent design" type of creationism a Christian only belief?

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@lostrib said:

@nomsayin said:

This whole fear of creationism being taught in public schools is pretty stupid. The highest level biology course you can take in grade school is AP Biology, and to pass that exam (which is a nationally administered college-level test and is not determined by state/local school boards) you have to demonstrate knowledge in the theory of evolution. So if creationism is going to be taught, it's going to be taught in middle school level and basic high school level classes. Most students are not going to go into a field that is biology based, so why the fvck does it matter if they believe in the theory in the first place? If you're going to be doing anything significant with biology in your life you're definitely going to have to take college level biology classes where evolution is taught as the unifying theory of all biology. So, in other words, having a bunch of middle school and elementary school kids get taught creationism is not going to fvck anything up, contrary to popular belief. If they want to do something in biology, they're eventually going to be taught that evolution is scientific fact.

Well for one thing it has no place in a science class. And when they say Creationism, it usually means Christian Creationism and that gets far too close to the state promoting a specific religion. Also, if you teach them Creationism and God created all creatures, it's kind of hard to follow that up later with "oh yeah, that's not what happened in reality, instead here is scientific facts"

No, it's not hard to follow up. If they can't follow up and learn that evolution is a fact they're going to fail their college level classes and not even have a biology related profession in the first place. It's not that difficult. Also, as i said before, the highest level biology class you can take in high school is AP Biology, where evolution is taught as a fact.

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@nomsayin said:

This whole fear of creationism being taught in public schools is pretty stupid. The highest level biology course you can take in grade school is AP Biology, and to pass that exam (which is a nationally administered college-level test and is not determined by state/local school boards) you have to demonstrate knowledge in the theory of evolution. So if creationism is going to be taught, it's going to be taught in middle school level and basic high school level classes. Most students are not going to go into a field that is biology based, so why the fvck does it matter if they believe in the theory in the first place? If you're going to be doing anything significant with biology in your life you're definitely going to have to take college level biology classes where evolution is taught as the unifying theory of all biology. So, in other words, having a bunch of middle school and elementary school kids get taught creationism is not going to fvck anything up, contrary to popular belief. If they want to do something in biology, they're eventually going to be taught that evolution is scientific fact.

This post makes zero sense. The purpose of school is to educate people. If you're teaching something non-scientific and not supported by the evidence, you're not properly educating them.

I'm not saying you shouldn't teach evolution (you clearly should) but it's not that big of a deal if a bunch of middle school kids get taught creationism. Neckbeards make it sound like it's a colossal issue, when it really in actuality has no effect on our development as a nation. Also, you're acting as though most people remember what they learn in high school..yeah right. Many adults barely know how to do algebra. Learning evolution/creationism has no effect on anything science related. A person that won't pass college level biology classes is not going to have a biology related profession. Period. And to pass a college level biology class you're definitely going to demonstrate knowledge and belief in the theory of evolution.