[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]like I said before, I don't care what the situation was back then it doesn't justify these verses. the problem is that these verses are still in use today and address Muslims as a whole and can be used by extremists to justify their actions. FatalFist

Wat do u mean by that? ofcourse the time mattered,when a person reads the Quran it mentions the history behind it!

Ok wat if I say there is this verse that says

'kill anyone,whether he is Muslim,jew,Christian or pagan if that person commits murder'

NOw you could cut of the last part,and it becomes kill everyone whether he his jew or Christian,the verse always have a context and if u cut them off its pretty hard to judge!

This one was made-up and Its aim was to show u that the context matters,

see your example itself explains what I mean. yes the context has to be looked into, but, it is not really mentioned in those verses I posted, which is why they are used to by extremists to justify themselves. perhaps if it was written that Muslims should just behave that way for the duration of the war it wouldn't be so important, but it isn't (correct me if I am wrong here). so these lines seem to address Muslims as whole, not just the ones fighting the war.

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]

Islam is not peaceful. It is contradicting and you will find lots of violent passages against "unbelievers"

Examples:

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:73O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

9:123O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

FatalFist

Christianity is just about the same way though.. We can't cherry pick likethis when we look at all rational points.. Realize that the middle east is mainly controled by extremists, or dicators in third world countries.. The last time we had anything remotely close like that was during the dark ages with christianity for the west.. When that happened, oh I don't know I think the Spanish inquistion alone burned tens of thousands of people at the stake for suspected witch craft.In the end every major religion can be very brutal.

true, Christianity has had some past mistakes and at times still does, as it is with most religions, however, that is the fault of the people, not the religion itself. these quotes are from the Quran itself, telling people to act this way. that is why you have all these extremists, their own religion practically justifies their actions in their eyes. the Spanish Inquistion was terrible, but it's not like the Bible clearly says to go off and kill anyone who doesn't believe.

and I was raised by a Christian mother and a Muslim father so I know both religions.

I suppose that gave u an insight but out of curiosities sake...which religon do u follow probably Christianity becuz naturally children are closer to mothers

I always find it hilarious that when Muslims find out I'm Christian, they *always* assume it's because of some reason or other or I wasn't taught it. I grew up with both religions, praying a Muslim prayer at night along with a Christian one not knowing what either meant. I learned from both parents. I chose Christianity because I preferred it, simple as that.

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="ShadowtheDark"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]

Islam is not peaceful. It is contradicting and you will find lots of violent passages against "unbelievers"

Examples:

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:73O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

9:123O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

ShadowtheDark

Please before you quote an iyat in the Quran look into the history of it. Research the life of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and the struggle with the people of Mecca you might understand.

the situation doesn't make it okay to say things like that because the problem is that these passages are still used today and they don't just address the particular situation of the time, they address Muslims as a whole and how they should behave.

Ok logically speaking if the Quran teaches violence, do you in your schoolhave muslims going up to you codemning and striving against you?

I never said all Muslims were violent, the majority are not. however, the religion is violent. why is it that whenever anyone questions or criticizes the Quran, you'll get an abundance of violent protests? why is it that if someone converts from Islam to something else it is lawful to kill them? I do believe most Muslims are peaceful, and I have nothing against them as half my family is Muslim. I was taught both Chrsitianity and Islam. however I believe Islam promotes violence. choosing Christianity, I have to keep my family name secret when I visit the middle east, lest anyone find out it is a Muslim one but I am Christian, so as to avoid something bad happening to me. Islam also promotes violence against women.

so yes, most Muslims are peaceful, but there are radicals who are going too far right now and using the Quran to justify themselves, hence why those particular verses I brought up irk me.

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