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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]That was a bit too much of a spiteful rant about how much you dislike PC gamers talking about PC RPGs pre 2002..... Fallout was/is an amazingly progressive game, even by todays standards the way you effect the world, and your interaction with it is unlike any other game. Same goes with Fallout 2, which essentially expanded on the idea. There is no such thing as the greatest of X genre, however its undeniable Fallout is a very important title. Personally I only played it a few years ago, and I was admittedly astounded by how good the game was, moreso when factoring in it was released in 97'.
The Witcher does indeed have linear progression in story.... however the way the story pans out, and changes is non linear, even if its fundementally in a linear structure. The reality of most games that are story driven, is the design will always be fundementally linear. Take it away and you will have a more sandbox role playing enviroment like Mount and Blade which lacks the focus on story driven core. On the topic of consequences and decsions, compared to most role playing games, The Witcher tackles it much better than all the current crop of RPGs
. Titles like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 dont really hold a candle in this respect, however they do things differently. Anyway PC gamers are always going to be fond of these older titles, as they are benchmark role playing games of their platform, and are still playable to date, and still provide ample amounts of entertainment. Console gamers do the same about their favourite past *insert system title*, the difference is the longevity of a PC game outweighs a console one, due to the ability to playback any old title. However games like Chrono Trigger have gotten remakes, which is great to see, and services like XBL Classics are pushing older titles to the consumer - just as services like GoodOldGames on the PC make older titles available to the consumer. However take this into account. You dont hear PC gamers complaining about multiplat titles Morrowind or KOTOR, and titles like Oblivion, while they get hammered by certain PC gamers, it still has a huge community, and fanbase (the mods and sales alone speak volumes) as does titles like Fallout. It really is alot less black and white as you put it in that regard.JangoWuzHere
It's just that I'm sick of hearing about how good Fallout is, and how bad modern RPGs are more than anything. I've played better games, much better games. The Witcher is one of them. Fallout is fairly dynamic with the way it deals with Roleplaying, but at the same time the gameplay is bland. Too bland to be as good as people say it is. It's qualities are often exagerated. The plot is nothing special for a start, the dialouge is mildly amusing at best, unless you play with low intelligence, but that's one extreme. People often go on about how much freedom you get with your character creation and how important that really is in changing the gameplay. In truth if you get the Advanced Power Armour early on you can play the game anyway you want, which is completely contrary to what people tell you. The only thing which completely changes the gameplay is low intelligence, and even then all that does is create amusing dialouge and leads to less freedom. It's still entertaining and worth playing, but it's just not what I would expect from a game hailed as one of the best of its kind.
The Witcher has a dynamic story, and it's pretty good, but there are essentially only 3 routes with a couple of other options that have a milder affect on the plot which don't actually change gameplay all that much, not as much as people make out anyway. It handles roleplaying fairly well, but at the same time it's choice system isn't really any better than with Mass Effect, which we now know will affect ME2. Some things which seemed a bit inconsequential (*Spoiler* Such as the bug (Can't remember what it's called, starts with an A.) queen being eliminated or left alive *spoiler end* Can't remember the tag.)will have a greater affect later on, and even ignoring that alot of your choices already had a large impact in Mass Effect anyway. In terms of Plot it's not really as good as Mass Effect either, and it's not as well written either. It's voice acting is also inferior. The plot is not bad, but it's dervitive in many places, something that ME is also accused of (I'm not going into details because I'll spoil it, but it's been done a million times.).
I'm not saying it's Black and White either. I know people have diffrent tastes regardless of platform, but going back to before the release of Fallout 3 the amount of hate that game got was ridiculous. Every single topic filled with the same nonsense, it got to the point where no one could actually discuss the game because the foums were ruled by haters. That annoyed me alot. I also hated Morrowind, alot. That's another game I don't understand the love for. I couldn't stand it, and I'm fairly tolerant with games.
Nevermind though, it dosn't matter. Overall I just don't like the nostalgic and pessemistic attitude that alot of posters take.
Fallout is fairly dynamic with the way it deals with Roleplaying, but at the same time the gameplay is bland. Too bland to be as good as people say it is.
The gameplay in Fallout itself was the role-playing. Fallout beats the living crap out of most RPG's these days if we are talking about role-playing elements.
The plot is nothing special for a start,
Fallout did not have the best plot but it really did well for the setting.
In truth if you get the Advanced Power Armour early on you can play the game anyway you want, which is completely contrary to what people tell you.
The only way you could get the advanced power armor early was if you actually searched for those kinds of hints early on. If you played normally like me then you would know nothing about that.
The only thing which completely changes the gameplay is low intelligence, and even then all that does is create amusing dialouge and leads to less freedom. It's still entertaining and worth playing, but it's just not what I would expect from a game hailed as one of the best of its kind.
Fallout is the best of its kind. Its a role-playing game and it takes that in the best way it can. Their are tons of ways you could go threw this game. You diden't even have to kill or shoot anything if you wanted to be a diplomatic person.
In terms of Plot it's not really as good as Mass Effect either, and it's not as well written either.
We must have played 2 different games because the plot in Mass Effect lacked alot of depth. If anything the plot in Mass Effect was pretty basic. The plot in the Witcher was written alot better and I thought had much more intresting characters.
It's voice acting is also inferior.
Mass Effect is also much higher budget. And the Enhanced edition of The Witcher features better voice acters that deliver much greater impact then Mass Effect. The main character in The Witcher is more likeable then all of your party members in Mass Effect.
I knew about Navarro (F2) before hand, but it's still there. You can essentially cheat your way through the game, though I suppose you could just avoid doing so. That is another good thing about Fallout though, you can progress through the game in what ever order you want within reason. Still, even without the game still pretty much gives you freedom to do what you want as long as you don't attack whoever you want. As I say the only restricting stats are with combat stats and intelligence. It's not as challenging and stats arn't as important as people make them out to be. The diffrences in characters are subtle, with the exception of intelligence.
I can't really be bothered debating much, but I found the Witchers plot to be pretty bad in places, like at the end of chapter 3. The story was good, but it was nothing special, I've seen it all before. The darker themes covered, such as racism, were good though. Some of the voice acting in The Witcher: EE was plain bad (Azar Javed comes to mind.) aswell, where as with Mass Effect every actor in it was near perfect. The plot to Mass Effect felt as if it was better put together, and I found it much more engaging. Though I agree with your last statement, Geralt was just badass. Still, I prefer to have a group of people rather than just the one regardless of how awesome he is. I liked all the characters from ME, except for mabye Ashley though that didn't matter an awful lot.
I'm not sure why you think MEs plot lacks depth though. That dosn't make much sense considering the universe. Neither The Witcher or ME lack depth.
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