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@sSubZerOo said:

@airshocker said:

@Serraph105 said:
@airshocker said:

Airstrikes are happening.

Seems a little hypocritical to me, though. Well, we'll bomb the shit out of people that are about to wipe you out, but more than that? NOPE!

If our goal is to actually help people, which our military is entirely capable of doing, then lets just fucking do it and stop beating around the bush.

I have to wonder if there would ever be a point where we could pull out and the work the military put in wouldn't be immediately undone. I'm not saying that you are wrong about having the capability to help while we are over there by the way. It just feels like to keep the middle east in a state that we approve of would require becoming part of the eternal fabric that holds the place together.

Maybe the world needs to pull together and make that happen. I think we need to stop with the mentality that every facet of someone's culture is sacrosanct. Some parts of some cultures, I feel, need to be eradicated for the good of mankind.

Who decides what is good or not? We had this idea in the Cold War in which the United States and Great Britain basically systematically eliminated/weakened/supported the opposition to the secular labor movements/intellectual movement going on during that time within the region because they were deemed as possible communist threats.. This led to the strengthening of the many groups we see now, religious zealots, dictators etc etc.. Call me a skeptic when I hear such claims, because the majority of the policies by the West within the Middle East has little to nothing to do with the "good of mankind"..

All true, but in this particular instance there are plenty of convenient coincidences. ISIS is really bad, by any metric. The Kurds are a predominately secular people who are pretty progressive, especially when compared to neighboring societies.

But still realpolitik will ultimately rule the day, while we're going to be fighting ISIS on this front, what the Obama administration isn't going to admit is that we're supporting ISIS on other fronts - at least complicity as we watch our Saudi friends fund them directly. There's been a broader regional cold war going on between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and the Saudis have been playing a very dangerous game in their proxy war against the Iranians by funding these people.

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@Shottayouth13- said:

@BossPerson said:

the problem with beards is that anyone who is willing to look that hideous is either insane or must sincerely believe in a higher purpose for him.

You're just hating because you can't grow an epic beard.

That is why I hate

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@deeliman said:

@LJS9502_basic That's not a very good comparison. You can guess that, because I like bacon with eggs, that that's what I'm going to have for breakfast, but you can't be certain. God is supposedly all knowing, so he is certain.

Yeah free will is pretty bogus when coupled with an omniscience God (I'd argue it's pretty even without there being any god - what if I don't want to like bacon with eggs? I'm not at the liberty to simply "will" my dislike, we're all slaves to our wants and desires and we have very little say in what those actually are).

Many christians embrace the contradiction though, like Calvinists. They may but nutty but they are consistent.

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@Nuck81 said:

@foxhound_fox said:

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@br0kenrabbit said:

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Jesus Resurrection was purely spiritual

Nope, hence why his body wasn't found. "He is not here, he has risen."

They never found Jimmy Hoffa, was his body physically resurrected?

No body doesn't equal to a physical Resurrection.

Maybe you should brush up on that greek and hebrew you supposedly learned and do some more studying

The lack of a body could also prove he faked his death to escape to India (there is actually a group of Christians in India that believe this).

Muslims also believe that he didn't die from his crucifixion.

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@Nuck81 said:

They never found Jimmy Hoffa, was his body physically resurrected?

No body doesn't equal to a physical Resurrection.

Maybe you should brush up on that greek and hebrew you supposedly learned and do some more studying

Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don't be faithless any longer. Believe!" - John 20:27

"flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 15:50)

It is impossible for a physical body to rise from the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44New International Version (NIV)

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Acts 22: 6-11

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“As I was on my way and drew near to Damascus, about noon a great light from heaven suddenly shone around me. 7 And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?’ 8 And I answered, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And he said to me, ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.’ 9 Now those who were with me saw the light but did not understand[c] the voice of the one who was speaking to me. 10 And I said, ‘What shall I do, Lord?’ And the Lord said to me, ‘Rise, and go into Damascus, and there you will be told all that is appointed for you to do.’ 11 And since I could not see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me, and came into Damascus.

Jesus appears as a bright light, how could a body just simply appear and produce a bright light?

John 20:11-18New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene

11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

13 They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?”

“They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.” 14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?”

Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”

16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.”

She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).

17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.

Why did Mary not recognize Jesus if it was his physical body?

So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, saying, “The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread. Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. (Luke 24:33–37,

If Jesus had a physical body why would they assume they had seen a spirit?

Matthew 28:16-17New International Version (NIV)

The Great Commission

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Why would they doubt if they had seen Jesus, unless it looked different?

If Jesus was a physical Body, how could he simply appear and disappear at will, from large distances, without anyone traveling with him?

If Jesus was a physical body how could he walk on water?

How could he raise the dead? (you can't say it's impossible for a body to raise from the dead, that's one of Jesus' "miracles")

How could he turn water into wine?

You're being incredibly selective with your skepticism.

How could he appear as a bright light? We're talking about the transfiguration of Christ.

The fact of the matter is that the bodily resurrection of Jesus is integral to Christian theology. Paul is very clear about this.

As for Muslims, they don't believe that Jesus was crucified at all. According to Muslim's he never died in the first place but instead God raised his body to heaven while still alive.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

@Nuck81 said:

@br0kenrabbit said:

@Nuck81 said:

Jesus Resurrection was purely spiritual

Nope, hence why his body wasn't found. "He is not here, he has risen."

They never found Jimmy Hoffa, was his body physically resurrected?

No body doesn't equal to a physical Resurrection.

Maybe you should brush up on that greek and hebrew you supposedly learned and do some more studying

What? The empty tome is used time and time again by Christians as proof of the resurrection. What offshoot of Christianity doesn't believe the resurrection was in anyway physical?

Probably unitarians but they are just barely christian really

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@Serraph105 said:

@airshocker said:

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I don't know for sure, I like discussing politics and facebook is terrible for that seeing as how far too many feelings get hurt. The anonymity of a forum means not having to deal with that shit like that in real life. Perhaps Giant Bomb or IGN, I technically have accounts on both yet hardly visit either place. The only other place I can think of political discussion is news article comment sections, but those places tend to be more about insults than actual discussion.

Perhaps The Daily Happening if that place picked up speed a bit.

Do you still have the link for that place? I was contemplating going there while I was suspended for flagging too many spam posts.

yeah I just googled it actually. I haven't been there in about a year or so, but it doesn't look like much happens there anymore.

http://s4.zetaboards.com/The_Daily_Happening/index/

Au contraire

we just got our jand back

spam levels are at an all time high

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@udubdawgz1 said:

@br0kenrabbit: sigh. what don't you understand about 401k and the fact that you give your money to someone whom you hope will have your best interests at heart?

what don't you understand about the money i've saved over 10 years, lol? i was a healthy yo who didn't foolishly give money to some yo. i saved thousands.

ah, lol, sort of a laugh at foolish liberal idiots who think, like idiot clinton, that it takes more than my mom or dad to raise me. not only, pluck you, but, pluck you fools.

got it now? or, do you need more free instruction to the idiot lib vault?

wow no pluck you bro

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Time to arm the kurds, and time to stop pretending that Iraq is still a country

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@Serraph105 said:

@The-Apostle:

Yeah let me put the story of Job in slightly different terms. God gets in a pissing match with Satan to prove one guy would be faithful no matter what. All that God needed to do to Job to prove his point was destroy his way of life and kill his family. Also make his very skin hurt. Job still praises God, the end.

There is probably a little more intricacy to it, but that isn't a bad sum up.

I remember reading somewhere that the ending of Job had actually been corrupted through bad translation, and that Job at the end of the story is much more defiant than he is depicted nowadays.

I think a movie about Job could be really interesting, but it'd have to be done right. You wouldn't be able to end it the way it ends in the modern bible - that'd just be bad story telling. It'd have to seriously grapple with the problem of evil to such an extreme length that it'd probably be considered heretical by a lot of religious folks.

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@JimB said:

I don't think the United States used the rack, or burning slivers under finder nails. They did use water boarding and used lack of sleep and made them listen to the Red Hot Chili Peppers( that might be torture). The last time I checked they didn't cut off anyone head or drag them through the streets. The United States used psychological torture and it was most effective without causing any permanent damage to the individual. It saved many more lives across the globe. I say well done.

Drowning people isn't merely "psychological torture"

Nor was it very effective

inb4 "simulated drowning"