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@GrayF0X786 said:

as far as i know the whole 4 witness thing is only for those who accuse a women of adultery, in arabian society and among Muslim women aswell, a women has a reputation in society and people try to ruin that image, so whenever they think a women committed intercourse to another man outside of marriage, they need to bring 4 other witnesses, this is a system placed to protect the image of women.

QUR'AN (…And those who calumniate chaste woman but bring not four witnesses — flog them eighty stripes and do not admit their evidence ever after.-(An-Nur 24:5)

Islam would not make such difficult laws for the believers, so many lies including the 4 witness story was passed around like fire,

there was one time when a women was raped at the time of our Prophet(swt) he never asked for four wtinesses

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered [raped] her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: ‘That [man] did such and such to me.’ And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: ‘That man did such and such to me.’ They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: ‘Yes, this is he.’ Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (SWT). When he [the Prophet (PBUH)] was about to pass sentence, the man who [actually] had assaulted her stood up and said: ‘Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.’ He [the Prophet (PBUH)] said to her: ‘Go away, for Allah (SWT) has forgiven you [for mistakenly identifying the wrong man].’ But he told the man some good words [Abu Dawud said: meaning the man who was accidentally seized], and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: ‘Stone him to death.’ He also said: ‘He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.’

-4366, Sunan Abu-Dawud (a link to the full hadith)

hope that helps, again i tell others, my knowledge is limited and i myself have alot to learn on the Aqeedah of Islam and Islamic jurisprudence.

The only reason why four witnesses weren't required in the passage you cited is because the man confessed.

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@alim298 said:

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

Under Islamic law, is it true or is it not true that a woman who is raped by a man and accuses that same man of raping her, is guilty of false accusation if there aren't 4 male muslim witnesses (female witnesses don't count)? And what is the punishment for "falsely" accusing someone of rape? I don't think anyone would claim that a majority of muslims go around raping people, but there is clearly a rape culture within Islam. The west could certainly do a better job of handling rape cases, but we don't go around flogging women if they accuse someone of rape and the charges don't stick.

That is so false I want to smash my face against my monitor right now. That law you are talking about is about when two people have sex then someone comes and says that they had sex. Since Islam values people's privacy and that your sin is your doing as long as it doesn't have an impact on the society you have to have more than one witness to accuse them of adultery.

That's interesting spin, and I think it is revealing that you refer to rape as adultery. I ask again, under Islamic law what happens to a woman who accuses a man of rape without sufficient evidence (i.e. four Male Muslim witnesses)?

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@GrayF0X786 said:

i am not defending ISIS, i personally think they are an illegitimate caliphate, but at the same at least trying to unite the Muslims and destroy the man made bordered in the ME while everyone else sits on their ass waiting for jesus, but if all these stories about them killing innocents is true then clearly ISIS are wrong, especially with what they are doing recently

and sorry, Airshocker is openly saying Islam permits rape, and by that i conclude he needs to get his head checked.

ISIS is uniting Muslims? I think Syrian and Iraqi Shiites would disagree with that.

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@GrayF0X786 said:

@airshocker said:

I don't think all Muslims rape women.

I do know it isn't frowned upon in your holy books. That's pretty fucking horrific.

Sorry, my GS post history doesn't go back far enough to show the multiple instances where you have supported such sickening beliefs.

You don't have to assume anything. Nothing you say will make me believe you're anything more than a sycophant. And a disturbed one at that.

you don't think we all rape women?

well congratulations, somebody please give this man Obamas fking peace medal.

you don't know **** all about my faith, we are not even allowed to shake the hand of a women we are not related to, and you want to jump onto rape? why don't you fix the crisis of rape and domestic violence in your own homes before pointing fingers at random people on the internet.

and no don't apologise, i already knew that you cannot find any evidence to back up your bold claims becuase everything that you stated came out of your rear end anyway,

i won't get angered anymore over a small thing but please next time you open your filthy mouth and make such disgusting claims, bring your evidence to back it up otherwise stfu.

Under Islamic law, is it true or is it not true that a woman who is raped by a man and accuses that same man of raping her, is guilty of false accusation if there aren't 4 male muslim witnesses (female witnesses don't count)? And what is the punishment for "falsely" accusing someone of rape? I don't think anyone would claim that a majority of muslims go around raping people, but there is clearly a rape culture within Islam. The west could certainly do a better job of handling rape cases, but we don't go around flogging women if they accuse someone of rape and the charges don't stick.

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@ferrari2001 said:

Cripple the Russian economy. They need to know that attempting to conquer more lands and expanding their borders is not acceptable. Russia is already massive enough, why do they need more in the first place?

Because they see the EU trying to expand their borders in the opposite direction.

As for why Russia "needs more", it's not that they want the land for "living space", Russia sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between itself and the west.

Now we can talk all we want about how the west isn't actually a threat to Russia, but it certainly doesn't seem that way to Russia, and I'm inclined to agree with that perspective. I'm far from a Putin sympathizer but it's hard for me to ignore the fact that it's pretty clear that it was the EU, not Russia, that initially provoked the instability in Ukraine by pushing ultimatums about that trade agreement. I question the wisdom of doing that - at least right now. You have to know that Russia is going to respond, and there's more important things going on in the world that require Russian cooperation (namely Syria, and more importantly, at least geopolitically, Iran's nuclear ambitions).

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America needs to rediscover god

we are without god and look at the results

bran will you join me in prayer?

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@seahorse123 said:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99449

America works in co-operation with these nations and they have agreed on splitting up Iraq with territorial gains to Kuwait, Saudi and Iran with America benefiting in keeping a constant terror threat for homeland oppression and to bring down Syrian government, then I predict with ISIS getting central and west Iraq plus a lot of Syria it will then start to take Jordan and ISIS army will then gain Nuclear Weapons and various terror attacks will happen within the United States.

Your link doesn't say what you think it says. While it is undeniable that the US had covertly trained a very small number of rebels in Jordan, as the article cited in your link says, these were rebels fighting in the Free Syria Army. As your link states, these rebels that were trained were vetted before they were trained. It's very possible that these militants then went on to join ISIL later on, that's something that is well documented, but that's not the same as the US directly funding and training ISIL.

And your post just doesn't make sense. First off, how would ISIL get nuclear weapons? And why would Iran agree on splitting up Iraq? Iraq has been an Iranian client state for the past decade, why would it want its influence to be diminished in the Arab world? Turkey doesn't want a Salafist caliphate right on its border. The US and Turkey don't want to get rid of the entire Syrian government, it just wants to replace Assad.

Saudi Arabia has a much different perspective, it views an increased Iranian influence in the Arab world as an existential crisis and the US/Turkey strategy hadn't and hasn't been working in Syria. For the Saudis, the only way success can be guaranteed is if the whole thing is blown up and radical Sunnis take power.

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@-Sun_Tzu-: They trained ISIS members in Jordan in 2012 on record. America's allies have funded ISIS openly (Saudi, Turkey and Kuwait)

Please show me your source.

And American allies funding ISIS, while partially true =/= America funding ISIS

These are sovereign states that have their own interests in the region that aren't always aligned with those of the US.

The world isn't as simple as you make it out to be.

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@seahorse123 said:

Obama funds and trains ISIS

That's a bit of an exaggeration, to say the least.

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Now the US is arming the Kurds too, I guess you make it as you go along.

Do you have a problem with that m8

Not with arming the Kurds specifically but I have a problem with ad hoc foreign policy, bloke.

I don't think this is necessarily ad hoc. Reactionary sure, but there's a coherent logic behind Obama's selective action/inaction. US foreign policy in the middle east is a huge balancing act right now, more so than it usually is. What's going on in Syria and Iraq is basically a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The US can't be seen as being too involved otherwise it'd look like we're picking a definitive side in this transnational sectarian war between Sunnis and Shiites.

And as bad as it might sound, it is better for these groups to be fighting amongst themselves than focused on fighting the west. ISIL right now is much more concerned about fighting "heretics" and "apostates" within the Arab world than it is concerned about launching terror attacks against the US and Europe. In fact that's actually been one of the biggest rifts between ISIL and Al Qaeda ever since the days of Zarqawi.