@sibu_xgamer said:
@-Sun_Tzu- said:
@sibu_xgamer said:
@-Sun_Tzu- said:
Never, in the history of humanity, has anyone ever done anything purely for altruistic reasons.
I'm not so sure about that but ok, this is no place for this discussion.
@-Sun_Tzu- said:
Of course the US doesn't really care about genocides, so what? So what that they have ulterior motives? Never, in the history of humanity, has anyone ever done anything purely for altruistic reasons. There's a clear difference between action and inaction for the Kurds, the Yezidis and other minorities in the region.
The sober reality is that it is logistically impossible for the US to stop every genocide in the world. Because of that there's going to have to be some metric used for justifying US involvement - the metric used is how important the region is strategically to the US. Do you have a better standard?
A better standard for me would be that the US doesn't get involved. Is not just that I think the US is incapable of dealing with any genocide around the world which is obvious, is also that I think that the US involvement based on whatever selfish reasons they have, have helped produce more genocides and problems that if they wouldn't get involved. So I find it pretty hard to support any US intervention right now even if it seems well intentioned.
lol
I can almost guarantee you that if starting tomorrow the US isolated itself, not only would the world not be better off - I'd argue that things would take a sharp turn for the worse. Just because the US does nothing doesn't mean that nothing happens.
What you are proposing is morally bankrupt. Simply because the US can't save everyone doesn't mean that we shouldn't save anyone. The Yazidi shouldn't be wiped out just because no one came to the aid of the Tutsi.
Man you think so highly of yourselves... This delusional view of the world is what makes your kind justify US interventions even when they provoke the type of genocides you so self-righteously are now condemning. Chances are that ISIS wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the US. Your guarantee is moot to me, I can almost guarantee the opposite and the region where I live, Latin America, suffered countless tragedies because some people like you thought that your government supporting ruthless dictators here somehow guaranteed that we would be better off, when in fact what the US wanted was to keep control not much else. So many people around the world is hopeful that someday americans will learn to keep their delusions of grandeur to themselves and stop trying to "save" everyone. The US is never there to save anyone, stop kidding yourself. At best they help someone so they help them back, usually with nefarious consequences. The US foreign policy is morally bankrupt and has been that way since not long after WW2.
US foreign policy has been morally bankrupt not long after WW2? Nonsense, US foreign policy has always been morally bankrupt. I don't have any delusions about American influence in the world.
It was America that dropped not one, but two atomic bombs, we fire bombed Tokyo. It was America that sat back and watched as the Soviet Union ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe of ethnic Germans. We bombed Dresden. We did nothing to aid the Poles during the Warsaw uprising. The US knew all about what was going on in Aushwitz but willingly chose not to bomb either the gas chambers or the railroads.
I'm not going to defend US foreign policy wholesale but you sound ridiculous m8. Sure, we usually only help people who we want to help us back, who doesn't? The US isn't the source of all the world's problems. The US isn't uniquely evil. At worst we are simply amoral. US leaders don't have a psychopathic desire to conquer the world for America, they just care about making money.
In terms of oppressive world powers you could do a lot worse. We aren't like the Soviets who wanted to provoke communist revolutions around the world, we aren't like the Nazis trying to implement some demented racial theory, and we certainly aren't like ISIS who are trying to purge the world of heretics and non-believers. Our foreign policy is simple, Quid Pro Quo, nothing more, nothing less. We don't care if you're a liberal democracy, an oppressive monarchy, a fascist or communist dictatorship, black, white, brown, christian, muslim, hindu, jewish, atheist; as long as you're willing to do business with us and the rest of the "free" world we don't have a problem. That sounds bad, and sometimes that puts us on the wrong side of history, but often (like right now in northern Iraq) we find ourselves on the right side of history. A coincidence, for sure, but it is what it is.
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