MS: Please support the ESRAM even though we are abandoning it. . . (Scorpio white papers reveal the sad truth)

The comparison is like RX-470D (4.5 TFLOPS with 218 GB/s physical memory bandwidth) against R9-390X OC.

Don't forget memory bandwidth a major factor at 4K resolution which enables R9-390X to beat similar TFLOPS RX-480.

Now that the Scorpio's GDDR5 has a higher bandwidth than the X1's ESRAM, that makes the ESRAM redundant.

@makemefamous07:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55796/halo-dev-project-scorpio-beefier-expected/index.html

Halo dev: Project Scorpio is beefier than I expected

Frank O'Connor, a dev that works at Microsoft's first-party studio 343 Industries, is surprised by Project Scorpio's raw power

Eurogamer is not WikiLeaks i.e. Eurogamer doesn't leak source documents for independent verification

http://www.icxm.net/x/neogaf-project-scorpio-frank-o-connor-rumors-ryzen.html

Adding to the recent speculation of the subject is 343’s Frank O’Connor who has added fuel to the Scorpio fire. Responding to rumours on NeoGAF, O’Connor states, “Haha, although I probably “know“ in that I might have seen it in a slide or something, its literally not something I have time to think about now and I actually couldn’t remember whatever specs I’ve been exposed to even if I was tortured. I literally couldn’t leak or answer a question that went beyond “Can I do this? Does it support that? How many of these could it render?

“What I do remember is that it’s beefier than expected.”

source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=227886971#post227886971

A R9-390X like GPU and a s.hit CPU is not a good match.

AMD's 16 nm FinFET improvements for PS4 Pro's 2.1 Ghz CPU over XBO's 28 nm 1.75Ghz CPU is pitiful i.e. 20 percent increase.

Perhaps, AMD has better luck for their second generation FinFET products e.g. Vega's 4X perf/watt improvements over Polaris' 2.5X perf/watt.

Man oh man is there gonna be a lot of cow....er, I mean crow to eat. Ye ole this gon b gud.

Supah Mighty Scorpio Sting Inbound, Yeah baby yeah!! :P

I still can't find a reason why I need to buy Scorpio?

So excavator might be an option, you say apples to apples because it has a similar architecture. Still, there will still be porting necessary , unlike the ps4pro who just downclocks the whole system to run in native ps4 mode.

On the other hand, microsoft is running custom windows 10 on the xbox, and windows 10 can make games run on different hardware quite easily.

They will have to do adapt the game and os already for the esram, so for all we know this scorpio can hold pretty much any cpu that isn't too high in power consumption. Heck they can even use an intel cpu.

Needs are water, food & shelter. These are wants and I find no reason for Wanting a Sony/Nintendo or Pee Cee for gaming. Mighty Scorpio will do it all for me baby.

So now then, what do I win and it better be somtin gooooood? lol :P

• Most powerful console ever created => better gameplay, better graphics
• Halo

Lol the first reason about power you get it better on PC and the second you'll also get it on PC. AKA still no reason to buy a Scorpio.

More power does not mean better gameplay.

Windows PC has high-resolution timer that can be used with Direct3D. Read https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa964692(v=vs.85).aspx

Independent high-resolution timer enables the Wintel game to scale regardless of CPU and GPU power.

PS4 Pro's approach to legacy software support sounds like "old school" backwards compatibility e.g. legacy game's event timers are based on CPU or GPU clock speed. This is same problem with Amiga 500 games running on newer Amiga 1200 hardware where timing events are timed on A500's 7.1 Mhz CPU or IGP's clock speed, hence Amiga games are boat anchored to old hardware's specs which makes hardware upgrades harder.

If XBO games are timed with old school style CPU's or GPU's clock speed, it's fvcked, but OS could fake a CPU behaviour with OS scheduling slicing i.e. slow down a CPU thread on fast CPU with additional sleep states. Microsoft has more experience with OS programming when compared to Sony who copies FreeBSD codebase.

Yep and my orginal Xbox One is good enough since I need it to play Rare Replay giving the fact that it's not on Windows 10 anyways. Playing MS games on PC now is just a bonus for me so buying Scorpio useless to me.

Indeed. If you don't have the games to back that up, your most powerful console is as good as dead on arrival.

• Most powerful console in the world
• Best graphics and performance of multiplatform games
• Scorpio is 42.85% more powerful than the PS Pro
• Better games and better exclusives
• Best online
• No silly Jaguar CPU, like the one found in the PS Pro

It's a win win.

The only thing you win around here is a free game of Scalebound. Coming soon to an Xbox One console near you XD

LOL okay, thanks for the heads up, yep and looking at the highlights, my almighty GTX 1070 still outclasses Scorpio in every step of the way and my original Xbox One is good enough since I still need it to play games that are not on Windows 10 like Rare Replay, my most played Xbox One game to date.

Lol...Ewww, just the thought of that hot broken mess of a Wii-A-Moo game just made me throw up a lil in mah mouth. Thank you MS for sparing us from crap gaming. :P

That's the problem with Xbox. They're focusing so much on hardware and so little on software.

More capabilities to create better gameplay. Bigger, more advanced worlds => better gameplay. Do you remember ASU? The number of NPC's in Paris, and how alive the world felt really made it a much more enjoyable game for me. Think of a world that is really alive, not just sections of a world scripted, but the whole world constantly in motion. That's what you can do with more power, and that would be epic for gameplay.

I think this advise will be handy for the cows....

You can thank me later. lolololol :P

@sts106mat:

Right you are sir, typical cows, no honor, no shame. lol :P

Looking at the EG article, it seems like Xbox Scorpio is still using a Jaguar CPU...?

Incremental differences in power makes no difference.

Developing pretty games is all about careful optimization of the hardware and talented programming. ND can probably make a game on the Pro that looks better than anything the Scorpio could muster up.

This is why the PS3 never really outclassed the 360 in graphics with the cell processor, the incremental power didn't make a difference.

Then what you really mean to say is larger worlds with more content, which is different from gameplay, which refers to things like the game mechanics, controls, combat system, level design, etc. However, to create those larger worlds with more content, hardware alone isn't good enough, but you need the software to back it up. Microsoft should be investing in software, but as their cancellations have shown (e.g. Scalebound, Fable Legends, etc.), they're unwilling to make that investment, other than for the usual Halo, Gears and Forza. Much of the funding they used for the Scorpio hardware could've been used to fund software.

That is their guess. More sources, as noted in the same thread at gaf, stated they are not using Jaguar. Here nor there, I said that part tongue in cheek :)

@kvally: Oh okay haha

It's semantics, but I don't really agree with that. Level design, and larger, more advanced worlds are for me part of the gameplay. If you have to divide a game into categories like they used to do in the old gaming magazines, then what would you do? In my case it would be Sound, Graphics, Gameplay. And a bigger, more advanced world is part of gameplay then (for me). But like you said, you can also see it as something separately, but just the number of NPC's is part of level design, and thus has an influence on the gameplay. And the number of NPC's is part of a more advanced world.

I expect a lot from Crackdown running on Scorpio.

Well they can emulate the xboxone games as well, I mean they have no problems doing it with the xbox 360 and that's a completely different architecture.

Who gives a shit what the "average gamer" buys? Why is it so important to you to be like everyone else? Yaaayyyy I buy what the majority do!!! I'm just like the rest of them!!! Yaaaayyyy!!!!

RDR2, MEA and future multiplats, which are routinely the best games in the industry will be better on Scorpio. My how this tune has changed from 2013.

Fair enough. I never have seen anything to do with video games as a need. These are luxuries because I love this hobby. Wanting a Scorpio is all the reason I need to own one.

Having the best version of all multiplats is absolutely a killer advantage for the Scorpio, and its advantage should not be understated. The Xbox 360 and the PS4 both achieved dominance through the best versions of all multiplats.

The question here is whether the Scorpio will be able to follow in their footsteps, or whether its extra power will be ignored by third parties, a bit like the original Xbox.

And top kek to @ronvalencia for pimping launch titles for a new system as a litmus test of any console. Are you new to gaming?

Not really. You're claiming it can't do 4K natively while that hasn't been said ANYWHERE in the paper. Maybe you should learn how to read, or understand these articles, because you're making a fool of yourself. You've been owned by practically every lem already in this topic because you jumped the gun due to your insecurity

Ahh, there goes that argument I never made defense again. You guys stated this thing would be the 4k native machine of doom. I pointed out it wouldn't. You guys do a little rain dance around the issue and completely ignore the topic of ESRam gimpage being imminent. . . Then claim ownage. Sorry, take a number and have a seat. The adults are talking.

It matters a lot. Devs go to where games sell more and resources go to where games sell more. Even though MS is the richest of the companies in the market they seem reluctant to invest in games which is pretty sad and pathetic.

Now I think console gamers look primarily for a combination of games+price as a preference both of which are covered by Sony and not so much by MS.

That's the case, you NEVER pointed it out. The paper is saying that developers can use the resources the way they would like, and if they would like to allocate resources to something else then 4K native rendering, then they can use checkerboard technique . Nowhere it is saying that it would actually not be able to render in native 4K...

Also no esram isn't an issue at all... You think it will mean that there will be Scorpio exclusive games that don't run on Xbox One, but still that's just an idea of you, and you can't give us any facts that this will actually be the case. The topic is done, you lost, hard... You're only looking more, and more like a fool when you think you can act all high, and mighty when everyone sees that you've failed, miserably. So please do yourself a favour, and quit.

@dakur:

It matters a lot. Devs go to where games sell more and resources go to where games sell more. Even though MS is the richest of the companies in the market they seem reluctant to invest in games which is pretty sad and pathetic.

Now I think console gamers look primarily for a combination of games+price as a preference both of which are covered by Sony and not so much by MS.

And yet, none of the games I wish to play from the devs that make them are avoiding Xbox. RDR2? Check. Mass Effect Andromeda? Check. Prey? Check.

Oh NO, I wont be getting Tales of Ballbagia? Big deal. Using what everyone else buys as a reason to buy something is baby crap. I don't give a rats ass what console gamers look for. I cant play with their money, time or tastes.

@cainetao11:

"Tales of Ballbagia?"

Seriously mah man, laughing out loud. Good Stuff.

Actually it can... If you play a game on Scorpio and it gives you a true 60FPS then playing the same game on a Xbox One S that only give you 30. That performance just gave you better gameplay. Also if you are getting frame drops on Xbox One S and none on Xbox Scorpio it would give you a better game play experience.

gameplay experience =/= better gameplay. Who cares if it's 60 vs 30 if the mechanics are broken or aren't fun. Would you be willing to say that if Uncharted 4 were 60 fps on PS4 Pro but 30 FPS on PS4 vanilla then Uncharted 4 becomes a better game?

Yes, I would. I think all games are better experiences if they run at a full 60 FPS and I believe higher frame rates improve gameplay.

Is it though? How many times has the most powerful console sold the most in a generation? The PS4 Pro more than doubled the PS4's GPU capabilities and just about tripled any current Xbox One GPU capabilities and how has that done? Setting the world afire with massive sales? Plus now we're more than 3 years after the launch of PS4 and Xbox One, wouldn't a person's existing catalogue of games have an impact on whether or not they get a console that can't play those games they already bought?

Edit: Plus there's the whole messaging issue. How do you show the benefits of native 4K versus upscaled 4K in TV commercials broadcast in 1080P or heavily compressed streaming videos?

LOL I was laughing when that came to mind as I typed it.

Wednesday nights is the Xbox Nation podcast. These folks are funny, if at times a bit too fanboyish. But one point they made last week really stuck out. I see people here complaining that Halo Wars 2 is a game for X1 saying "nobody cares about RTS on consoles". And its ok. Entertainment is subjective. But when I am not all that hyped for Nioh, Tales of whatever, Ni no thank you, Gravity Rush 2, its like a cardinal fukin sin. How dare I buy what I want, like what I want because I'm playing games with my money and time?

But it's still the same game. It still has the same story, pacing, long platforming sections, set pieces. FPS is not a gameplay mechanic. If you don't like slow paced platforming, is having 60fps slow paced platforming going to make love it? I doubt it.

Cows have the greatness lineup in console history in Q1 2017, but the forum is flooded with Scorpio topics again. ???

I don't understand the cow mindset. Why do you all care so much about Scorpio? It's a console by a company you supposedly hate and one you won't be buying.

You guys spend more time wishing failure on the competition than actually singing the virtues of PlayStation.