Hope you guys are ready to upgrade to Scorpio, because ya'lls games on original hardware are about to suffer.
Microsoft's whitepaper categorically rules out ESRAM for Scorpio, while at the same time suggesting that developers continue to support it to ensure strong performance on legacy Xbox One hardware.
And it looks like you can forget about the upgrade-sauce. Lemmings got rekt with their 4k console upgrade lol Please be hype!
Scorpio's 362 mm^2 size APU chip would be mostly GPU..
Vega's tiling-polygon binning-raster is dependant on L2 cache improvements.
AMD Bonaire has 512 KB L2 cache. 4 x 512 KB = 2048 KB or 2 MB L2 cache.
Fury X (8.6 TFLOPS) has 2 MB L2 cache.
RX-480 (5.8 TFLOPS) has 2 MB L2 cache
R9-390X (5.9 TFLOPS) has 1 MB L2 cache.
GTX 980 Maxwell GM204 has 2 MB L2 cache.
Tesla M40 Maxwell GM200 has 3 MB L2 cache. This GPU was recycled for GTX 980 Ti and Titan X Maxwell.
Tesla P100 Pascal GP100 has 4 MB L2 cache.
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Example of near brain dead Xbox One ports running PC GPUs.
Killer Instinct Season 2 XBO runs at 1600x900p. Richard Leadbetter is not correct on
. A 4.5x boost to compute power suggests that 1080p engines will scale nicely to 4K on Scorpio, but the reality is that many Xbox One titles render at a 900p base resolution. The leap to 4K therefore becomes a 5.76x increase in pixel-count and at the same time, developers may not wish to spend GPU power on pixels alone.
Both higher memory bandwidth and high FLOPS impacts rendering time i.e. lower time to complete a render.
Memory bandwidth's write operation is dependant on compute results being available from ALU's FLOPS.
Scorpio's estimate from R9-390X (5.9 TFLOPS) results.
The graphics details from the above benchmarks are higher than XBO's graphics detail settings.
From https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/7020/6/battlefield-1-review-benchmarks-with-13-graphics-cards-testresultaten-ultra-hdn3840x2160-+-frametimes
PC version runs at higher graphics detail settings when compared XBO version.
R9-390X has about 4.5X the FLOPS over XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS.
The Lems Have Been Owned Bz M$ (TLHBOBM$) as is typical. Not only they have no exclusive games now their multiplats are going to be dumbed down on an overpriced midrange closed PC.
Funny you say that. If the Scorpio is a overpriced midrange PC WTF does that make a PS4 or PS4 Pro. I guess that makes them a dumb down overpriced low end PC that cant play multiplats as well as Scorpio. Really starting to smell like cow shit in this thread All this rumor confirms, is the shit Microsoft has already stated the machine would be.
The difference is that the PS4 still has exclusives that can't be played on PC so a PC is not a substitute for it. Meanwhile the xbone can be basically 100% substitued by a PC and the games it has will play much better. The PS4 has a reason to exist the xbone doesn't
It is launching a full year later than the Pro and will still only be a tiny bit more powerful and with very few first party games and no marketing deals they won't even be able to show off that bit of extra power.
Delusional lems thought they were getting a true 4K gaming machine lol.
It is launching a full year later than the Pro and will still only be a tiny bit more powerful and with very few first party games and no marketing deals they won't even be able to show off that bit of extra power.
Delusional lems thought they were getting a true 4K gaming machine lol.
I bet a side by side comparison of the games will show very little difference. So lems waited a year more for basically the same as the Pro but without the awesome exclusives. LOL can these guys fail harder??
@Shewgenja: lmao you can't be this dumb, the white papers are from LAST YEAR.
And AAA development cycle takes longer than a year.
Im not sure why people say this and not see that any company developing hardware still has options in the final year and a half leading up until release.
PS4 added more RAM, XB1 increased clock speed.
It wouldnt be unheard of for MS to activate more CUs as the article stated.
Im not saying they WILL or SHOULD, just saying that its in the final year (as others have said), there are room for tweaks.
If i were MS, id keep the 6 TF GPU and invest in a good CPU, not the mobile crap we got this gen.
It is launching a full year later than the Pro and will still only be a tiny bit more powerful and with very few first party games and no marketing deals they won't even be able to show off that bit of extra power.
Delusional lems thought they were getting a true 4K gaming machine lol.
I bet a side by side comparison of the games will show very little difference. So lems waited a year more for basically the same as the Pro but without the awesome exclusives. LOL can these guys fail harder??
No tiling for lems. All 4K native, all the time. PS4 Pro's trickery would never dare show its evil face on the god-like Scorpio. . .
Hey, I'll ask again. If this is true about eliminating ESram in the Scorpio, what does it mean for games created specifically to use ESram? Will the Scorpio be running PC games?
Funny thing cowgenja is you're using an outdated article
By Richard Leadbetter Published 24/01/2017
It's using old outdated information buddy. Where did MS post the actual specs? Where did MS say it was going to be anything other than 6TFs? Where did MS say all games were going to be in 4K native? What we do know is it's going to be 2TFs more powerful than the PS Pro and since that's all you cows cared about prior to either launching, that's all that should matter to you cows.
Life's going to suck for you cowgenja once that Scorpio releases.
@Shewgenja: lmao you can't be this dumb, the white papers are from LAST YEAR.
Which is exactly why I'm not entertaining any of this stupidity, this is post E3 information, or rather a lack thereof. It's known information that has been talked about for months coupled with 8 month old outdated speculation from when the system was just announced.
It is launching a full year later than the Pro and will still only be a tiny bit more powerful and with very few first party games and no marketing deals they won't even be able to show off that bit of extra power.
Delusional lems thought they were getting a true 4K gaming machine lol.
LOLOLOLOL look at the cows now claiming 2TFs is a "tiny" bit more powerful hahahahahaa. This after claiming that 500GFs was HHUUUUGGGEEEe wow you guys really are a sad pathetic insecure bunch of fanboys. Herms, sheep AND Lems are laughing you cows right now..........the insecurity is unreal
Uggh, what a silly thread this is. Scorpio isn't going to need ESRAM because the RAM it will use will be fast enough to get along without it. And of course devs will continue to use the ESRAM in X1 because what choice do they have?! It's there, it's part of the hardware, lol.
Hey, I'll ask again. If this is true about eliminating ESram in the Scorpio, what does it mean for games created specifically to use ESram? Will the Scorpio be running PC games?
The replacement RAM is supposedly faster so it means nothing for older games that used ESRAM. Most likely a virtual partition will be used. As for it running PC games.
Hope you guys are ready to upgrade to Scorpio, because ya'lls games on original hardware are about to suffer.
Microsoft's whitepaper categorically rules out ESRAM for Scorpio, while at the same time suggesting that developers continue to support it to ensure strong performance on legacy Xbox One hardware.
And it looks like you can forget about the upgrade-sauce. Lemmings got rekt with their 4k console upgrade lol Please be hype!
You should be more clear with what you actually mean with that last sentence, I haven't seen anyone actually discuss what is the core of the article.
In the wake of CES, there is renewed speculation that Scorpio may feature more advanced Zen CPU cores.
(they're obviously talking about this picture here)
(but because of a comment in microsoft's whitepaper about the scorpio, they think (speculate) it won't use amd new zen cpu)
However, a throwaway comment within the Microsoft whitepaper on how developers may wish to use Scorpio's capabilities again makes this seem unlikely.
(then the comment follows , some tech babble but the conclusion afterwards is what's really important for sw here)
"We acknowledge that developers may not wish to spend all of the additional GPU resource of Project Scorpio on resolution, and this is not mandated," the paper says. "To make the best games possible, developers will inevitably spend GPU resource on other quality improvements such as higher fidelity shadows, reflections, texture filtering and lower draw distances. Another option developers might consider is frame-rate upscaling - running graphics at 60Hz but the CPU at 30Hz and interpolating animation."
(ok some more tech babble, digital foundry who explains this comment as a techique to circumvent a cpu bottleneck while doubling the framerates)
PlayStation 4 Pro has offered several titles with high performance modes running on unlocked frame-rates - and notably none of them has managed to double performance consistently from 30fps to 60fps. Microsoft makes no claim that Scorpio is able to do so either and instead suggests a compromise - running GPU elements at twice the speed, while CPU-bound elements are interpolated.
(here it comes)
A move to far more powerful Zen cores would almost certainly make such advice redundant.
However, they are not very sure of their case otherwise they wouldn't say in their conclusion that it's speculation based, that they haven't got really anything else to go on besides the specs provided (which mentions not even a clue what cpu will be in there). All they have is this comment to support this speculation and it's far from waterproof.
There are other reasons why this technique could be mentioned. Everyone always talks about gpugpu tools but if you need as much gpu power as possible to keep the resolution as high as possible it might not be such a bad idea to transfer tasks back to the cpu. You could also increase the framerates much higher than if you would use conventional techniques or even support 120 hz displays. The technique could be used for far more that the situation of the ps4 pro.
Besides why on earth would amd put scorpio on their zen stand. That carries a lot more weight this 'throw away comment' from e3 2016, microsoft could have changed plans as well.
It is launching a full year later than the Pro and will still only be a tiny bit more powerful and with very few first party games and no marketing deals they won't even be able to show off that bit of extra power.
Delusional lems thought they were getting a true 4K gaming machine lol.
It won't be a "tiny bit more powerful" it will be noticeably more powerful then the Pro. At least 1.8 TFLOPS more compute power, over 100 GB/s more bandwidth per second, and also at least 4GB more GDDR5 RAM, in which the Pro is already starved for RAM, 5.5GB for games isn't enough(My RX 480 alone uses 5 GB VRAM on Battlefield 1 at 1440p on ultra)
Not to mention the definitely noticeably better CPU it will have over the Jaguar cores which are years old by now.
(i.e Scorpio will most likely use Vega class GPU so in reality the difference between Scorpio and Pro is actually bigger then 1.8 TFLOPS, Pro GPU would need to be at least 6.5-7 TFLOPS to match 6 TFLOP Vega class GPU in Scorpio due to worse architectural efficiency and what not vs newer Vega gpu)
Scorpio is going to be undoubtedly noticeably faster and run games with higher detail and resolution over the Pro, much bigger gap between the PS4 and Xbone
Hey, I'll ask again. If this is true about eliminating ESram in the Scorpio, what does it mean for games created specifically to use ESram? Will the Scorpio be running PC games?
The current Xbox One games that do use Esram will work on Scorpio, the much higher memory bandwidth makes up for the lack of Esram, Scorpio is made to support all the existing libraries inside Xbox one and there's no need for "emulation" either as it's just ram. What comes to Scorpio running PC games, I read a while back that Scorpio should be able to run Win32 games(the standard for non win store games) that are converted to UWP, which Xbox One cannot run, will we see those games is another thing, but it could potentially allow for very quick porting of indie games from steam to Scorpio
@kingtito: That's why he is such an ugly looking fanboy. He'll bet that the difference between Scorpio and Pro are minor, but has said in the past that 1080p to 900p is such a huge difference in regards to the Playstation and Xbox One; certain titles...lol. What a strange fellow...
But but but we were promised by the Lems this would be a 4k native juggernaut. I was told I was a rabid cow hater for saying 6 TFlops would not be enough.
Wat happen? Can a lemming please explain? My feeble Cow brain cannot handle the alternative facts.
I always wondered how come that lems fall for this!!!
Looks pretty obvious that no 6 TFlops device can handle 4 k properly!!!
@kingtito: That's why he is such an ugly looking fanboy. He'll bet that the difference between Scorpio and Pro are minor, but has said in the past that 1080p to 900p is such a huge difference in regards to the Playstation and Xbox One; certain titles...lol. What a strange fellow...
Allow me to spell it out. The power differences for a 1080p console are smaller than what is needed for 4k native gaming. A generationally technological leap. There's nothing strange at all about this. I have been saying, even when the Pro was unveiled, that no one should expect that to be a 4k wonderbeast. The HDR is well worth it if you have a TV that supports it. I've not deviated from that stance.
9 TFlops and above out of current GPU chips is a reasonably decent 4K gaming PC. Point to any post where I have not stood by that assertion. In the meantime, both the PS4 Pro and Scorpio are healthy half-gen upgrades. Is MS wants to break for Gen 9 early with Nintendo, cool, I hope that means they have games again.
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