Gran Turismo 5 new damage system - OWNS ANY OTHER DAMAGE SYSTEM OUT THERE

Isn't this "full" damaged mode only available on like 200 of the cars? While the OTHER GAME has realistic damage for EVERY car including performance issues, not just asthetics Funconsole

For the last time, there is damage on EVERY CAR, premium cars get deformation/ultimate damage while standard cars get bumps/scratches but no deformation

BOTH get mechanical driving damage. Stop spreading false information please

The damage does look good visually. But what about the damage to the car's performance? Will damage affect steering alignment? Engine performance? Rate of acceleration? Gear shifting? All that sort of stuff.

AdobeArtist

Yeah, those damage physics apply to all cars. The Premium models just have flashier visual effects.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

Thing is....they won't be able to do things ALL right due to legal constrictions

Mograine

I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to understand that if they can't make models on real life cars because of that, they can make their own design for all the missing ones. Is it?

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

That is some pretty sexy damage, I must say. I honestly didn't expect it to look THAT good but I'm impressed.

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

rawr89

Yeah, surely being able to take the pilot's viewpoint in some vehicles and not in others is sooooo realistic :roll:

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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] All cars have damage [...]xYamatox

20% is still 20% better than 0...

Some people are never satisfied.

I don't know it's a bit inconsistent. Like how in Crysis you start of with freedom and at the end are in some massive corridors

THose are some really bad quality pictures, you can barely even tell how good or bad the damage system is by looking at them.

Real Time Damage! What other racing game on consoles has that? :lol:

200 cars is still close to 10 times the average ammount of cars a normal game even has playable.

200 cars is still close to 10 times the average ammount of cars a normal game even has playable.

SkaRy_RuLeZ

What "normal game"? Big Rigs?

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[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]THis affects only 20% of the cars in GT5. 80% of the cars in GT5 have PS2 models.Funconsole

That 20% is a lot when you consider how many cars are in the game. :| C'mon people, don't just hate to hate.

"ONLY" 200 cars... this is insane guys.

Why on earth isn't 200 good enough for people? Forza 3 has more... sure. But they are a lot less detailed than GT5's premium car models. And if you want to argue that, then throw a finger to GS's E3 previews. They're the ones saying it. If the damage system is a lot better in GT5 as well, then I'd take it over the quantity of cars.

And if that's not enough for you, you still have the option of playing 800 other cars :|... and go kart racing... and nascar.

You're simply looking for reasons to hate.

It's all fun and games when metal bends, but how does it work gameplay-wise? Does it affect internal parts? How much performance you get, can you still race after a crash? Can driver be injured?

It's all fun and games when metal bends, but how does it work gameplay-wise? Does it affect internal parts? How much performance you get, can you still race after a crash? Can driver be injured?

AdrianWerner

Looks like a ps1 game to me.

slipknot0129

Finally, there's a thread that can't be countered by posting Crysis screenshots. *fist pumping*shane_orija

[QUOTE="Funconsole"][QUOTE="leadernator"]

That 20% is a lot when you consider how many cars are in the game. :| C'mon people, don't just hate to hate.

leadernator

"ONLY" 200 cars... this is insane guys.

Why on earth isn't 200 good enough for people? Forza 3 has more... sure. But they are a lot less detailed than GT5's premium car models. And if you want to argue that, then throw a finger to GS's E3 previews. They're the ones saying it. If the damage system is a lot better in GT5 as well, then I'd take it over the quantity of cars.

And if that's not enough for you, you still have the option of playing 800 other cars :|... and go kart racing... and nascar.

You're simply looking for reasons to hate.

Um ever heard of GTA 4? Dirt 2? And while we're at it let's throw in a fps called Crysis 2.ocstew

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It's all fun and games when metal bends, but how does it work gameplay-wise? Does it affect internal parts? How much performance you get, can you still race after a crash? Can driver be injured?

zero_snake99

And don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the game, I just no clue how the damage system will be and I would like to know

[QUOTE="ocstew"]Um ever heard of GTA 4? Dirt 2? And while we're at it let's throw in a fps called Crysis 2.tommyas

Hey guys i have a better idea why dont we stop bashing the game and wait until it comes out?johny300

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

It's all fun and games when metal bends, but how does it work gameplay-wise? Does it affect internal parts? How much performance you get, can you still race after a crash? Can driver be injured?

And don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the game, I just no clue how the damage system will be and I would like to know

[QUOTE="johny300"]Hey guys i have a better idea why dont we stop bashing the game and wait until it comes out?AdrianWerner

That's true, it goes both ways. But I think it's more fair to "bash" a game that's already out and playable (given that said basher has played it), than a game that isn't lol. In the last year, GT5 has been ridiculed and criticized so negatively! That's how it goes I guess.

It's all fun and games when metal bends, but how does it work gameplay-wise? Does it affect internal parts? How much performance you get, can you still race after a crash? Can driver be injured?

AdrianWerner

I may be wrong, but I think manufacturers don't want drivers being injured in their licensed vehicles. It could also affect the rating from E to T. That's why the motorcyclist avatars in Burnout Paradise disappear when you crash.

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[QUOTE="johny300"]Hey guys i have a better idea why dont we stop bashing the game and wait until it comes out?Episode_Eve

That's true, it goes both ways. But I think it's more fair to "bash" a game that's already out and playable (given that said basher has played it), than a game that isn't lol. In the last year, GT5 has been ridiculed and criticized so negatively! That's how it goes I guess.

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]how about GT5 fanboys stop bashing other games and wait until their game comes out too? :)

delta3074

That's true, it goes both ways. But I think it's more fair to "bash" a game that's already out and playable (given that said basher has played it), than a game that isn't lol. In the last year, GT5 has been ridiculed and criticized so negatively! That's how it goes I guess.

Not really lol. I was referring to people 'bashing' Forza 3 on it's own, without comparing it to unreleased games like Gran Turismo 5. But at this point, it's fair to compare the details that we know right? For example, "GT5 has more content than Forza 3", OR "Forza 3 has an in-depth livery editor that GT5 doesn't", going by the details we know. But that's only bashing if you allow yourself to interpret it that way! To say "Forza is garbage compared to GT5" OR "GT5 is going to suck compared to Forza 3" isn't the best way to do it lol.

I don't know what is the deal with car damage,it has just been use against GT to prove how superior Forza was,when we all know car damage is incredible old,Daytona USA feature it before the was a PS2 or xbox,so did Destruction Derby on PS1,is nothing out of this world.

it better it started development as an idea pitched between two cavemen using clay tablets to present the idea.

[QUOTE="johny300"]Hey guys i have a better idea why dont we stop bashing the game and wait until it comes out?AdrianWerner

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

rawr89

I can see that you're inferring Forza here, so lets clear up the air.

* ALL the cars in Forza are real world lisenced models you'd find from all the well known manufacturers (and even some more obscure ones).
* Every real car you can modify with engine and body parts found in the real after market - they're real and fully customizable
* Every car in Forza has realistic physics and damge effects, external and internal
* Rewind is a training tool, just like the visual driving line which GT5 also has, both can be turned off, plus rewind is not usable in online racing
* I've seen plenty of custom paint jobs in the real world, you may think otherwise but that kind of customization IS a part of real world car culture
* Damage in Forza if extensive enough can cause complete immoblization of your car, or as small as affecting steering alignment, degradation in acceleration and top speed, etc.... this is a real world effects and you clearly don't understand why it's in the game. It serves as a deterrent from improper driving, where the consequences are live and tangible as it occurs directly with your actions, not just artificial like point loss after the race is complete. Fact is, all cars in FM3 are real licensed models and still can be wrecked beyond performance, they are not restricted by the manufaturers to disallow this, so Polyphony has no reason to have that excuse either, and hopefully won't have to when the game actually releases.

for those complaining, if for you 200 premium cars is not enough just dont get the game.... personally cant wait for GT5 :)

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] All cars have damage [...]foxhound_fox

who cares bout the damage, the game looks pretty neat as it stands even without damage i think it would still be an entertaining game.Damage isnt everything to be brutally honest i just wanna bloody race round a track :D and if you care bout damage then you must either suck at driving or just one of those people that like it.I personally couldnt care less bout it.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Doesn't Grand Theft Auto have real time deformation based on where you crash the car?

BPoole96

grand theft auto 4 doesnt use "real" cars, they have no badges, so it is easy to wreck them without pissing off car manufacturers.

you can mod your gta4 cars on the PC to have real cars tho, but it's a "hack"

Gran Turismo 5 on the other hand uses all real cars with car manufacturers so it's very difficult to wreck them without making them angry

Do manufacturers actually get mad if their car is shown wrecked in a video game? (Serious question)

I don't know if "mad" is the right word. But, GT has always had a strong tie to the cars and car manufacturers. I would imagine they don't like seeing, or having millions of other people see, their nicest vehicles twisted and broken.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] All cars have damage [...]foxhound_fox

Gotta start somewhere, 200/1000 is more than none right? How is it not a 'good' thing?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

And isn't this full damage model only available on 200 of the 1000 cars being shipped with the game?

racing1750

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Classic24"]

grand theft auto 4 doesnt use "real" cars, they have no badges, so it is easy to wreck them without pissing off car manufacturers.

you can mod your gta4 cars on the PC to have real cars tho, but it's a "hack"

Gran Turismo 5 on the other hand uses all real cars with car manufacturers so it's very difficult to wreck them without making them angry

Pug-Nasty

Do manufacturers actually get mad if their car is shown wrecked in a video game? (Serious question)

I don't know if "mad" is the right word. But, GT has always had a strong tie to the cars and car manufacturers. I would imagine they don't like seeing, or having millions of other people see, their nicest vehicles twisted and broken.

And yet these very same manufacturers have their cars featured in FM3 where they can be twisted and broken. So polyphony shouldn't be having this excuse, which if reports are true they don't anymore.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

AdobeArtist

I can see that you're inferring Forza here, so lets clear up the air.

* ALL the cars in Forza are real world lisenced models you'd find from all the well known manufacturers (and even some more obscure ones).
* Every real car you can modify with engine and body parts found in the real after market - they're real and fully customizable
* Every car in Forza has realistic physics and damge effects, external and internal
* Rewind is a training tool, just like the visual driving line which GT5 also has, both can be turned off, plus rewind is not usable in online racing
* I've seen plenty of custom paint jobs in the real world, you may think otherwise but that kind of customization IS a part of real world car culture
* Damage in Forza if extensive enough can cause complete immoblization of your car, or as small as affecting steering alignment, degradation in acceleration and top speed, etc.... this is a real world effects and you clearly don't understand why it's in the game. It serves as a deterrent from improper driving, where the consequences are live and tangible as it occurs directly with your actions, not just artificial like point loss after the race is complete. Fact is, all cars in FM3 are real licensed models and still can be wrecked beyond performance, they are not restricted by the manufaturers to disallow this, so Polyphony has no reason to have that excuse either, and hopefully won't have to when the game actually releases.

I lol'd IRL.

They aren't bad, but they aren't great... no where near realistic eitiher... The physics in that game have a sweet spot... it's good in normal situations, but once you get into extreme situations (crashes, spinning out, etc) the physics just completely goes down the toilet.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

zero_snake99

I can see that you're inferring Forza here, so lets clear up the air.

* ALL the cars in Forza are real world lisenced models you'd find from all the well known manufacturers (and even some more obscure ones).
* Every real car you can modify with engine and body parts found in the real after market - they're real and fully customizable
* Every car in Forza has realistic physics and damge effects, external and internal
* Rewind is a training tool, just like the visual driving line which GT5 also has, both can be turned off, plus rewind is not usable in online racing
* I've seen plenty of custom paint jobs in the real world, you may think otherwise but that kind of customization IS a part of real world car culture
* Damage in Forza if extensive enough can cause complete immoblization of your car, or as small as affecting steering alignment, degradation in acceleration and top speed, etc.... this is a real world effects and you clearly don't understand why it's in the game. It serves as a deterrent from improper driving, where the consequences are live and tangible as it occurs directly with your actions, not just artificial like point loss after the race is complete. Fact is, all cars in FM3 are real licensed models and still can be wrecked beyond performance, they are not restricted by the manufaturers to disallow this, so Polyphony has no reason to have that excuse either, and hopefully won't have to when the game actually releases.

I lol'd IRL.

They aren't bad, but they aren't great... no where near realistic eitiher... The physics in that game have a sweet spot... it's good in normal situations, but once you get into extreme situations (crashes, spinning out, etc) the physics just completely goes down the toilet.

they are better than gt5 anyway, keep in mind consolses are limited with racing physics to a huge extent , they are much more complicated in real life than processing power than both conosles can provide. *i just dont understand people citing realistic physics, seriously racing is so much more sophisticated than any game ever can simulate

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

20% is still 20% better than 0...

Some people are never satisfied.

Mograine

If you want to do things right, you do them ALL right.

i love how the op says gt5 is the first game to have tyre deformation when forza 3 actually had it :roll: im really looking forward to gt5 but if ye think the physics will be a million times better than forza 3 you are kidding yourselves, i wish these gt fanboys would actually try and play a forza game as they are actually brilliant

i love how the op says gt5 is the first game to have tyre deformation when forza 3 actually had it :roll: im really looking forward to gt5 but if ye think the physics will be a million times better than forza 3 you are kidding yourselves, i wish these gt fanboys would actually try and play a forza game as they are actually brilliant

icyseanfitz