Gran Turismo 5 new damage system - OWNS ANY OTHER DAMAGE SYSTEM OUT THERE

i love how the op says gt5 is the first game to have tyre deformation when forza 3 actually had it :roll: im really looking forward to gt5 but if ye think the physics will be a million times better than forza 3 you are kidding yourselves, i wish these gt fanboys would actually try and play a forza game as they are actually brilliant

icyseanfitz

i somehow doubt gt5 will have wheel deformation as it would add too many variables, tyre deformation isnt really a visual thing but more of a physics thing (except for the rare occasion a whole tyre flies off :)) where you slowly have less and less control over your car or the opposite as well, btw im not saying forza 3 is better than gt5 (not even released yet) its just that some of these people are hyping gt to a level where it cant realistically be

will the damage actually effect how you drive though?

will the damage actually effect how you drive though?

ironman388

i somehow doubt gt5 will have wheel deformation as it would add too many variables, tyre deformation isnt really a visual thing but more of a physics thing (except for the rare occasion a whole tyre flies off :)) where you slowly have less and less control over your car or the opposite as well, btw im not saying forza 3 is better than gt5 (not even released yet) its just that some of these people are hyping gt to a level where it cant realistically be

icyseanfitz

You mean better than this right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BaVo-mUPQU&hd=1&hd=1

Cause from previous video, I seriously doubt it.

Yo Mystic, I don't mean to go off course here but... ummm, who's that in your avatar? :) :oops:

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

i somehow doubt gt5 will have wheel deformation as it would add too many variables, tyre deformation isnt really a visual thing but more of a physics thing (except for the rare occasion a whole tyre flies off :)) where you slowly have less and less control over your car or the opposite as well, btw im not saying forza 3 is better than gt5 (not even released yet) its just that some of these people are hyping gt to a level where it cant realistically be

Rza_rectah

by tire deformation i dont just mean changing grip levels but how the actual tires act under g while changing direction (flexing changing shape etc. this is only something pc sims did properly up until recently)

I don't know what is the deal with car damage,it has just been use against GT to prove how superior Forza was,when we all know car damage is incredible old,Daytona USA feature it before the was a PS2 or xbox,so did Destruction Derby on PS1,is nothing out of this world.

Eltormo

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

AdobeArtist

I can see that you're inferring Forza here, so lets clear up the air.

* ALL the cars in Forza are real world lisenced models you'd find from all the well known manufacturers (and even some more obscure ones).
* Every real car you can modify with engine and body parts found in the real after market - they're real and fully customizable
* Every car in Forza has realistic physics and damge effects, external and internal
* Rewind is a training tool, just like the visual driving line which GT5 also has, both can be turned off, plus rewind is not usable in online racing
* I've seen plenty of custom paint jobs in the real world, you may think otherwise but that kind of customization IS a part of real world car culture
* Damage in Forza if extensive enough can cause complete immoblization of your car, or as small as affecting steering alignment, degradation in acceleration and top speed, etc.... this is a real world effects and you clearly don't understand why it's in the game. It serves as a deterrent from improper driving, where the consequences are live and tangible as it occurs directly with your actions, not just artificial like point loss after the race is complete. Fact is, all cars in FM3 are real licensed models and still can be wrecked beyond performance, they are not restricted by the manufaturers to disallow this, so Polyphony has no reason to have that excuse either, and hopefully won't have to when the game actually releases.

[QUOTE="Classic24"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Doesn't Grand Theft Auto have real time deformation based on where you crash the car?

BPoole96

grand theft auto 4 doesnt use "real" cars, they have no badges, so it is easy to wreck them without pissing off car manufacturers.

you can mod your gta4 cars on the PC to have real cars tho, but it's a "hack"

Gran Turismo 5 on the other hand uses all real cars with car manufacturers so it's very difficult to wreck them without making them angry

Do manufacturers actually get mad if their car is shown wrecked in a video game? (Serious question)

See, race car manufacturers don't have this issue. Racing codes mandate many safety features as part of the standardized car design, and while race cars aren't cheap, buyers know they're potato chips compared to the irreplaceable drivers. Safety is demanded by all aspects of the sport, so a car that crashes gracefully is not just expected, it's essential.

You mean better than this right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BaVo-mUPQU&hd=1&hd=1

Cause from previous video, I seriously doubt it.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

You mean better than this right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BaVo-mUPQU&hd=1&hd=1

Cause from previous video, I seriously doubt it.

SpeedsterCards

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

i somehow doubt gt5 will have wheel deformation as it would add too many variables, tyre deformation isnt really a visual thing but more of a physics thing (except for the rare occasion a whole tyre flies off :)) where you slowly have less and less control over your car or the opposite as well, btw im not saying forza 3 is better than gt5 (not even released yet) its just that some of these people are hyping gt to a level where it cant realistically be

icyseanfitz

by tire deformation i dont just mean changing grip levels but how the actual tires act under g while changing direction (flexing changing shape etc. this is only something pc sims did properly up until recently)

Forza doesn't have tire deformation

Too bad it's 6 years late.

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] Tires used to wear out in gt 2 buddy.SupraGT

by tire deformation i dont just mean changing grip levels but how the actual tires act under g while changing direction (flexing changing shape etc. this is only something pc sims did properly up until recently)

Forza doesn't have tire deformation

yes forza 3 does have tire deformation :roll: it was one of their big features

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

20% is still 20% better than 0...

Some people are never satisfied.

Giancar

and what's the problem if those 800 cars behave like "any other racing game", is not like those other racing games are bad or something like that

not only that, but those 800 cars will still be remastered so all of the cars will still perform better than any other racing game.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
What would make GT5 worth playing if the majority of its cars behave just like any other racing game?

gaming25

and what's the problem if those 800 cars behave like "any other racing game", is not like those other racing games are bad or something like that

not only that, but those 800 cars will still be remastered so all of the cars will still perform better than any other racing game.

you should play some of the pc sims if you think cars in gt handle properly, plus no one has played gt5 for all we know it could be really crap...just saying

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] by that logic, scrap all other 800 cars and it willbe worth playing, since 100% of those are not like "any other racing game"

and what's the problem if those 800 cars behave like "any other racing game", is not like those other racing games are bad or something like that

icyseanfitz

not only that, but those 800 cars will still be remastered so all of the cars will still perform better than any other racing game.

you should play some of the pc sims if you think cars in gt handle properly, plus no one has played gt5 for all we know it could be really crap...just saying

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

LOL then it wouldn't be called Gran Turismo. instead it should be NFS Underground Rivals.

if i wanna play a racing game with cars that do not exist in real life, with made-up handling, with made-up designs, etc., why would i play Gran Turismo.

GT is all about realism. and by realism i mean having real-life cars in real-life tracks..........and not having a rewind button. that's what you call a simulation game.

sure, it is a video game, but clearly PD knows that so they won't make your car totally stop after taking alot of damage. because who would want to play GT5 when their cars will explode after so many impacts? but that's just it. no rewinds, no nonexistent cars.

this is not Modnation Racers. if you want to design your own car, play that game. in real life there are no cars that race in the 'Ring that have decals with 'Halo is teh awesum!' plastered all over it.

JohnF111

I can see that you're inferring Forza here, so lets clear up the air.

* ALL the cars in Forza are real world lisenced models you'd find from all the well known manufacturers (and even some more obscure ones).
* Every real car you can modify with engine and body parts found in the real after market - they're real and fully customizable
* Every car in Forza has realistic physics and damge effects, external and internal
* Rewind is a training tool, just like the visual driving line which GT5 also has, both can be turned off, plus rewind is not usable in online racing
* I've seen plenty of custom paint jobs in the real world, you may think otherwise but that kind of customization IS a part of real world car culture
* Damage in Forza if extensive enough can cause complete immoblization of your car, or as small as affecting steering alignment, degradation in acceleration and top speed, etc.... this is a real world effects and you clearly don't understand why it's in the game. It serves as a deterrent from improper driving, where the consequences are live and tangible as it occurs directly with your actions, not just artificial like point loss after the race is complete. Fact is, all cars in FM3 are real licensed models and still can be wrecked beyond performance, they are not restricted by the manufaturers to disallow this, so Polyphony has no reason to have that excuse either, and hopefully won't have to when the game actually releases.

Thank you. But the whole point of Forza's painting tools, and it's real advantage, is that the design can be what ever you want it to be. You're not limited to predesigned decals. You can make your own logos, and even complete racing team themes. Sure there's the Pokemon's and Halo's out there, but that's up to each person. As the owner of your own car, you go to lengths to customize it as fits your needs, and personalize it's look to make your own statement. And again that statement can be as professional as the racer makes it to be, with the complete freedom to tailor your own unique cutom made logo design.

But also to be fair, when you look at some of those more artistic designs, you gotta appreciate the sheer talent that goes into it. Some paint jobs I've seen of the Silver Surfer, Einstein's portrait, Mass Effect's box art.... it's just unnerving how some people are able to create these highly detailed designs with just a compilation of basic polygons :o

yes forza 3 does have tire deformation :roll: it was one of their big features

icyseanfitz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5fydGMbGjE

more like the tire clipping into the ground

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

not only that, but those 800 cars will still be remastered so all of the cars will still perform better than any other racing game.

gaming25

you should play some of the pc sims if you think cars in gt handle properly, plus no one has played gt5 for all we know it could be really crap...just saying

gt might not be as much of a sim as say rfactor or iracing but they are the same genre if you like playing gt you will in all likely hood enjoy playing forza or those pc sims and if you find them boring you will probably find gt boring, most gt's have been great (didnt really like 4 and that psp gt was a joke) but its been over 5 years since poly released a full gt so they could be a bit rusty, you cant just say the game will be the best thing since sliced bread when no one has played it thats just setting yourself up for a fall

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

yes forza 3 does have tire deformation :roll: it was one of their big features

SupraGT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5fydGMbGjE

more like the tire clipping into the ground

im not talking about the visual aspect more so the fact that the tire deformation affects how your car handles which is basically what a sim racer is all about

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

Mystic-G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AEMqHRwOug

The Warping sure beat pre determined crash modeling

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

SupraGT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AEMqHRwOug

The Warping sure beat pre determined crash modeling

You're assuming I'm boosting Forza 3... try again.

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

Mystic-G

12 pages arguing over a damage system? Is everyone going to buy this and crash cars and not RACE? Just go play Blur and Burnout if you wanna crash all day. Its sad how many crash videos you'll see when you search for Forza on youtube. When i was 6 or so and played GT3 i didn't tried to play crash dummies, i had fun trying to beat my cousins and dad in a race. Thats where the fun is in this game, not crashing.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

yes forza 3 does have tire deformation :roll: it was one of their big features

icyseanfitz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5fydGMbGjE

more like the tire clipping into the ground

im not talking about the visual aspect more so the fact that the tire deformation affects how your car handles which is basically what a sim racer is all about

I though the argument was about the visual aspect. Any sim can modeling a game with the characteristics of tire deformation without having the animation for it.

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5fydGMbGjE

more like the tire clipping into the ground

SupraGT

im not talking about the visual aspect more so the fact that the tire deformation affects how your car handles which is basically what a sim racer is all about

I though the argument was about the visual aspect. Any sim can modeling a game with the characteristics of tire deformation without having the animation for it.

i was never arguing about visuals as they dont bother me forza 3 looks great and so does gt5, its actually pretty hard to code in things like tire deformation into 4 independent tires realistically

Even an old game like Richard Burns Rally had stuff like that. Codemasters games have had that for a while also.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

Mystic-G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AEMqHRwOug

The Warping sure beat pre determined crash modeling

You're assuming I'm boosting Forza 3... try again.

Well, PD is experimenting with different stuff. It's still work in progress. GRID has minor deformations with parts falling off. In the early demos, PD didn't have the deformations, but just the parts falling off. When you inspect real life crashes, parts of your car just don't fly off. Most of the time they are still connected but are deformed with the rest of the car.

I doubt that id be able to play with 200 arounds cars let alone 800 cars.

Use a couple of cars and work up the different tiers. Max id say is about 50.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Most realistic? Yea... ok.

Sollet

however most have probably been caused just by crashing head-on into a wall (something people seem to have an obsession with as soon as anything has damage), so its hard to judge at this stage.

i wouldn't go as far as to say they look awful,but some are certainly odd/impossible looking:

however most have probably been caused just by crashing head-on into a wall (something people seem to have an obsession with as soon as anything has damage), so its hard to judge at this stage.

marklarmer

Lol wow that looks awful, it looks like they just turned the front bumper sideways, added some extra effects and said **** it, we're done. Disregard my last post lol even tho ill be focusing on just the racing i hope we can turn it off if it really looks like that.

Meh. Forza's is not any better than that. I just wonder if its going to have the Forza effect where you smash head first at 100mph and the side and back of your cars get dented and scratched up.

I really dont care.

If I wanted realistic damage I would just drive my car.

I really dont care.

If I wanted realistic damage I would just drive my car.

gangstaa9

LOL

Nonsense of the day. Gangstaa9 gained 9000+ points 8)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

http://kotaku.com/5630851/lets-look-at-damaged-gran-turismo-5-cars/gallery/


Most realistic? Yea... ok.

Sollet

I'm not saying that GT5 looks God-awful, that would be rather foolish of me.

I'm talking about the damage modeling. It looks like the cars were made of silicone or some sort of gel to be bent and contorted in the fashion they are in those pictures. GT5 may allow for more damage than Forza 3 (at least visually) but what I see here just looks terrible.

It's nice that GT finally has car damage...but i dont think it's impressive looking...looking at Kotaku pics it's far from realistic looking...it looks like either burping cars or as it's paint peeling off.

It's nice that GT finally has car damage...but i dont think it's impressive looking...looking at Kotaku pics it's far from realistic looking...it looks like either burping cars or as it's paint peeling off.

CheveLoco

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AEMqHRwOug

The Warping sure beat pre determined crash modeling

SupraGT

You're assuming I'm boosting Forza 3... try again.

Well, PD is experimenting with different stuff. It's still work in progress. GRID has minor deformations with parts falling off. In the early demos, PD didn't have the deformations, but just the parts falling off. When you inspect real life crashes, parts of your car just don't fly off. Most of the time they are still connected but are deformed with the rest of the car.

[QUOTE="CheveLoco"]

It's nice that GT finally has car damage...but i dont think it's impressive looking...looking at Kotaku pics it's far from realistic looking...it looks like either burping cars or as it's paint peeling off.

Jrfanfreak88

And isn't this full damage model only available on 200 of the 1000 cars being shipped with the game?

foxhound_fox