Would a Navy Seal be able to defeat GSP in an unarmed fight?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]That is unbelievable that people think this.airshocker

Sorry, what military experience do you have again?

I've got plenty. I've met and worked with all sorts of Marines. We all go through the same initial schooling. Boot, MCT, MOS School, what have you. None of it makes you a badass killer. They teach you how to shoot a gun, wear your gear, set up a fighting position, whatever. Doesn't mean I'm some hardcore badass.

Any MMA fighter ever would beat my ass into the dirt. But I garuntee that I'll outshoot his ass, or that I MIGHT be able to spot an IED more quickly.

And I call bull****. You're buying into media.

They're trained to do a job. That's it. SEAL training is rough and it breeds rough men, but a rough man doesn't necessarily mean a badass.

A SEAL can lose fist fight. They can be outrunned and outgunned. They're men, not machines.

-TheSecondSign-

Sorry kid, when you deploy three times you can talk to me about "buying into the media".

It's not a fist-fight when it's combat. You don't throw up your dukes and assume a fighting stance when you're fighting for your life.

I would put any SEAL up against any MMA fighter alive today. My guess is most of them would kill their opponent.

And yes, certain SEAL teams are trained for specific jobs. That doesn't change the fact that all are trained in how to kill a man with their hands.

None. But I know plenty of people who are Marines, and they would laugh at what you are saying.BMD004

Funny, I was going to say the same exact thing to you.

I've got plenty. I've met and worked with all sorts of Marines. We all go through the same initial schooling. Boot, MCT, MOS School, what have you. None of it makes you a badass killer. They teach you how to shoot a gun, wear your gear, set up a fighting position, whatever. Doesn't mean I'm some hardcore badass.

Any MMA fighter ever would beat my ass into the dirt. But I garuntee that I'll outshoot his ass, or that I MIGHT be able to spot an IED more quickly.

-TheSecondSign-

You're not a SEAL, man. I'm not talking about your average grunt. An MMA fighter would beat the s*** out of me and probably every single other normal grunt I know. Against our Special Forces though? No, I don't think an MMA fighter would beat one of them. Perhaps maybe the USAF Special Forces, but only because not a single career is directly combat related.

This thread has derailed from people overhyping SEALs to people overhyping MMA fighters. Neither are some sort of gods and they both have weaknesses. An MMA fighter spends his entire life fighting, but a SEAL is trained to just kill. Sure, there's no special super secret 1HKO moves, but they know how to kill because that's all you need in the military. Think about it. You don't need BJJ or Muay Thai or Kickboxing or w/e when you can just KILL the guy.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

And I call bull****. You're buying into media.

They're trained to do a job. That's it. SEAL training is rough and it breeds rough men, but a rough man doesn't necessarily mean a badass.

A SEAL can lose fist fight. They can be outrunned and outgunned. They're men, not machines.

airshocker

Sorry kid, when you deploy three times you can talk to me about "buying into the media".

It's not a fist-fight when it's combat. You don't throw up your dukes and assume a fighting stance when you're fighting for your life.

I would put any SEAL up against any MMA fighter alive today. My guess is most of them would kill their opponent.

And yes, certain SEAL teams are trained for specific jobs. That doesn't change the fact that all are trained in how to kill a man with their hands.

This is Tim Kennedy:

He is part of US Special Forces. He has 3 losses in MMA, AND he trains to fight a hell of a lot more than 99.999999% of the people in the military.

This is Tim Kennedy:

He is part of US Special Forces. He has 3 losses in MMA, AND he trains to fight a hell of a lot more than 99.999999% of the people in the military.

BMD004

I know who Tim Kennedy is. I have an autographed T-shirt from him when he visited us overseas.

And what does any of this have to do with what I've been saying? In a FAIR FIGHT an MMA fighter would beat the s*** out of anybody. I've never claimed otherwise. In an unarmed fight, a SEAL would kill an MMA fighter. It's as simple as that.

This thread has derailed from people overhyping SEALs to people overhyping MMA fighters. Neither are some sort of gods and they both have weaknesses. An MMA fighter spends his entire life fighting, but a SEAL is trained to just kill. Sure, there's no special super secret 1HKO moves, but they know how to kill because that's all you need in the military. Think about it. You don't need BJJ or Muay Thai or Kickboxing or w/e when you can just KILL the guy.

Cheesehead9099

Sam Fisher doesn't exist. I am disappoint. :(

I have held American military might in too high regard. :P

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is Tim Kennedy:

He is part of US Special Forces. He has 3 losses in MMA, AND he trains to fight a hell of a lot more than 99.999999% of the people in the military.

airshocker

I know who Tim Kennedy is. I have an autographed T-shirt from him when he visited us overseas.

And what does any of this have to do with what I've been saying? In a FAIR FIGHT an MMA fighter would beat the s*** out of anybody. I've never claimed otherwise. In an unarmed fight, a SEAL would kill an MMA fighter. It's as simple as that.

How would a SEAL kill a professional fighter in a fight? Please tell me how they would achieve this.

BMD004

The easiest way to kill a man(without a weapon) is to break his neck. Granted it takes some strength, it's still the easiest when you're in the position. Second would be to choke him.

A SEAL is not trained to fight fair. You think he's just going to throw punches? No. He's going to go for the face(eyes, nose, ears, lips), the genitals, the fingers and every other vulnerable spot on the body. An MMA fighter is trained to fight fair, a SEAL isn't. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is Tim Kennedy:

He is part of US Special Forces. He has 3 losses in MMA, AND he trains to fight a hell of a lot more than 99.999999% of the people in the military.

BMD004

I know who Tim Kennedy is. I have an autographed T-shirt from him when he visited us overseas.

And what does any of this have to do with what I've been saying? In a FAIR FIGHT an MMA fighter would beat the s*** out of anybody. I've never claimed otherwise. In an unarmed fight, a SEAL would kill an MMA fighter. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I wouldn't doubt that Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo would destroy 99.9% of marines and special forces out there. What you fail to understand is that these guys are professional fighters. They are the best in the world and train and perfect what they do constantly. They have been fighting, wrestling, etc since they were little kids. Marines and SEALS learn some combat techniques during a span of a few months. It would be the equivalent of somebody who is 7 foot tall with no prior experience going to basketball camp for a few months, then challenging Michael Jordan to a game of 1 on 1. Even though Michael Jordan would be at a huge disadvantage, I'd bet that Michael Jordan would wipe the floor with that random guy.BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

How would a SEAL kill a professional fighter in a fight? Please tell me how they would achieve this.

airshocker

The easiest way to kill the man is to break his neck. Second would be to choke him.

A SEAL is not trained to fight fair. You think he's just going to throw punches? No. He's going to go for the face(eyes, nose, ears, lips), the genitals, the fingers and every other vulnerable spot on the body. An MMA fighter is trained to fight fair, a SEAL isn't. It's as simple as that.

How would a SEAL kill a professional fighter in a fight? Please tell me how they would achieve this.

BMD004

Tell me, would you be able to fight with all of your fingers broken, your nose bitten off, your ears gone and your eyes gouged to the point where you don't know if you'll ever be able to see again? I didn't think so.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

How would a SEAL kill a professional fighter in a fight? Please tell me how they would achieve this.

airshocker

The easiest way to kill the man is to break his neck. Second would be to choke him.

A SEAL is not trained to fight fair. You think he's just going to throw punches? No. He's going to go for the face(eyes, nose, ears, lips), the genitals, the fingers and every other vulnerable spot on the body. An MMA fighter is trained to fight fair, a SEAL isn't. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

How would a SEAL kill a professional fighter in a fight? Please tell me how they would achieve this.

airshocker

Tell me, would you be able to fight with all of your fingers broken, your nose bitten off, your ears gone and your eyes gouged to the point where you don't know if you'll ever be able to see again? I didn't think so.

But this is what you don't understand... in order to break somebody's neck or choke them, you have to be in position to do so. Somebody who has hardly any fighting experience or training will never get in the position to do something like that against the best professional fighters in the world. What you also don't understand is that a lot of these professional fighters came up fighting in Vale Tudo matches in Brazil... which are no rules matches... bare knuckle fights. Those guys handle groin strikes and eye gouges just fine. You aren't going to be able to eye gouge or anything like that if you aren't in position to do so.BMD004

You don't need a fancy position to ram your finger as hard as possible into someone's eye. That will make ANY fighter let you go. You break his fingers, he will let you go. You grab something really hard and squeeze and pull, he'll let you go.

You can have all the training in the world, but when you go up against someone who has been training to fight for their life, your MMA training is meaningless.

The knife cuts both ways, my friend.BMD004

Indeed. But I would still pick a SEAL. Only because they have never trained not to kill.

Anyway, time for bed. Night.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]But this is what you don't understand... in order to break somebody's neck or choke them, you have to be in position to do so. Somebody who has hardly any fighting experience or training will never get in the position to do something like that against the best professional fighters in the world. What you also don't understand is that a lot of these professional fighters came up fighting in Vale Tudo matches in Brazil... which are no rules matches... bare knuckle fights. Those guys handle groin strikes and eye gouges just fine. You aren't going to be able to eye gouge or anything like that if you aren't in position to do so.airshocker

You don't need a fancy position to ram your finger as hard as possible into someone's eye. That will make ANY fighter let you go. You break his fingers, he will let you go. You grab something really hard and squeeze and pull, he'll let you go.

You can have all the training in the world, but when you go up against someone who has been training to fight for their life, your MMA training is meaningless.

Not trolling.Chutebox

Thank-you

i'd rather take on an MMA guy than a SEAL, at least i'd probably just get the crap kicked out of me as opposed to having my throat ripped out or whatever.

i'd rather take on an MMA guy than a SEAL, at least i'd probably just get the crap kicked out of me as opposed to having my throat ripped out or whatever.

iwilson1296

Depends on the SEAL. Some probably had previous blackbelt training before joining, in which case, its a toss up between skill...

I like how everyone assumes this is a fight to the death.

GSP would clean the house against most SEAL'S. "lol lol lol, SEAL'S are trained to kill" and what do you think BJJ is for? An armbar breaks your arm, then he switches to a heel hook, bye bye walking or a rear naked choke, where he doesn't let go. And besides if this was a street fight, you bet your ass, that GSP wouldn't have any problem with kicking someone in the groin or kicking/stomping their heads.

Now a GSP vs a Delta Force commando soldier, that would be more interesting (why do everyone assume that SEAL's are the thoughest, I thought the toughest American commando soldiers were the Delta Force).

I like how everyone assumes this is a fight to the death.

m25105

I did give that implication in a later post, because that what I was aiming at. Basically, a no-rules fight for survival.

why do everyone assume that SEAL's are the thoughest, I thought the toughest American commando soldiers were the Delta Force

m25105

I don't know to be honest. They've never gone up against each other. Also, I'm not even American raised, so I don't know too much about their military.

If this is a fight where anything goes, then it's the SEAL, no question.

If this is a fight where anything goes, then it's the SEAL, no question.

ImaPirate0202

Why?

Yes. Absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I can't believe this is even a question.jimmyjammer69

Again why? State a reason, you think any sane person wouldn't resort to street fighting methods in a fight for life and death (kicks in the groin, fish hooking etc.) It's disturbing how many here assumes GSP will just take it and fight like it was a mma fight. Newsflash Jiu Jitsu is meant to maim and seriously hurt if not outright kill people, why do you think people tap when a rear naked choke is locked in? I'm not putting down SEAL's, but GSP is an athelete that has trained martial art most of his life and still train today with excellent coaches.

I love these threads because it amazes me how little people actualy know about martial arts, and how media like movies and video games lead people to believe these fantasies that there are people like Sam Fisher and Jason Bourne and Batman who are some incredible unknown fighters that are too lethal to fight in a cage.

If you want to know why a SEAL wouldn't be able to even attempt eye pokes or anything like that, watch this fight that just happened last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Lqtbyk8DU

It's only a few minutes long. See why position matters in a fight? There isn't one instance where the guy in red trunks could have tried to poke Melendez in the eye. And you have to remember, these are both highly trained, highly skilled fighters in a championship fight. Not somebody with little experience.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Real life isn't like some kung-fu movie. There isn't a secret spot to hit someone once that will kill them. GSP knoes as much as any SEAL that if you hit someone hard enough in the temple they will die.

thegerg

If you want to know why a SEAL wouldn't be able to even attempt eye pokes or anything like that, watch this fight that just happened last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Lqtbyk8DU

It's only a few minutes long. See why position matters in a fight? There isn't one instance where the guy in red trunks could have tried to poke Melendez in the eye. And you have to remember, these are both highly trained, highly skilled fighters in a championship fight. Not somebody with little experience.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

If you want to know why a SEAL wouldn't be able to even attempt eye pokes or anything like that, watch this fight that just happened last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Lqtbyk8DU

It's only a few minutes long. See why position matters in a fight? There isn't one instance where the guy in red trunks could have tried to poke Melendez in the eye. And you have to remember, these are both highly trained, highly skilled fighters in a championship fight. Not somebody with little experience.

jeremiah06

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Clean knees and or elbows to the head can kill outright... Also lets not forget good old fashion rabbit punches...jeremiah06

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Clean knees and or elbows to the head can kill outright... Also lets not forget good old fashion rabbit punches...jeremiah06

Sure there is, against an opponent who is not expecting it and not trained at all. You don't have to be a SEAL or martial artist for that though.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Of course they can. Does that have anything to do with my post?

BMD004

Lets go see.. A seal is trained to kill and maim.. The MMA fighter is trained to knock out or subdue.. If this were a no hold bar fight and it consisted of two opponents that were not much different in size.. i would give it to the Seal.. The MMA fighter may win in the ring, but inless they have further training.. I would say that the seal or special forces marine would kill them if it were outside of it.. These kind of discussions make my head hurt..

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] You were saying there isn't any one hit kills I'm saying there is...sSubZerOo

Lets go see.. A seal is trained to kill and maim.. The MMA fighter is trained to knock out or subdue.. If this were a no hold bar fight and it consisted of two opponents that were not much different in size.. i would give it to the Seal.. The MMA fighter may win in the ring, but inless they have further training.. I would say that the seal or special forces marine would kill them if it were outside of it.. These kind of discussions make my head hurt..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] lol... one hit kills. Theoretically, sure, I guess it is possible. But the chances of a 1 hit kill are probably something crazy like 0.0000000001% chance of ever happening. m25105

Lets go see.. A seal is trained to kill and maim.. The MMA fighter is trained to knock out or subdue.. If this were a no hold bar fight and it consisted of two opponents that were not much different in size.. i would give it to the Seal.. The MMA fighter may win in the ring, but inless they have further training.. I would say that the seal or special forces marine would kill them if it were outside of it.. These kind of discussions make my head hurt..

Its not about holding back in rings.. Its about knowing specific moves and the like to maim and break bones.. Seals and special forms are specifically TRAINED to do that.. A MMA fighter IS NOT.