Would a Navy Seal be able to defeat GSP in an unarmed fight?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

Colin1192

my guess would be because that is what they believe. Difference of opinions is allowed

GSP definitely, but that's extremely unfair as Navy Seals do most of their training using weapons, while MMA fighters use their body and their body only.

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

thegerg

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

StealthMonkey4

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

StealthMonkey4

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

This is how a fight between an MMA fighter and a Navy Seal would go. Black and white trunks = MMA fighter. Red trunks = navy seal:

Then, he see's he's still awake...

So he runs over and chokes him unconcious.

Seems like you guys are taking hypothetical scenarios way too seriously.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] The techniques used by MMA fighters to win fights (chokes, pummeling about the head, diableing limbs) are also techniques which are used by warfighters to kill people. Why would such techniques be more or less useful depending on the type of fight?

thegerg

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

BMD004

Lay n' pray was a joke.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Real life isn't like some kung-fu movie. There isn't a secret spot to hit someone once that will kill them. GSP knoes as much as any SEAL that if you hit someone hard enough in the temple they will die.

thegerg

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

They are trained to win civilized fights, not to actually kill someone.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

StealthMonkey4

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

StealthMonkey4

They are trained to win civilized fights, not to actually kill someone.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Real life isn't like some kung-fu movie. There isn't a secret spot to hit someone once that will kill them. GSP knoes as much as any SEAL that if you hit someone hard enough in the temple they will die.

BMD004

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

There's other factors besides just fighting technique that would affect it (though I doubt they both learn the exact same techniques).

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

StealthMonkey4

There's other factors besides just fighting technique that would affect it (though I doubt they both learn the exact same techniques).

Well depends. Seals (or any special forces) are taught CQB/hand-to hand techniques that are designed to incapacitate or kill their opponent. A seal hits GSP with this technique, GSP is dead or incapacitated. GSP hits a seal with a punch, well just ouch I guess.

Special forces/Seals aren't standard military. They would primarily learn techniques for incapacitating or killing, not just general self defence.

idk about Navy seals but maybe SPETNAZ or Mossad

Well depends. Seals (or any special forces) are taught CQB/hand-to hand techniques that are designed to incapacitate or kill their opponent. A seal hits GSP with this technique, GSP is dead or incapacitated. GSP hits a seal with a punch, well just ouch I guess.

October_Tide

Special forces/Seals aren't standard military. They would primarily learn techniques for incapacitating or killing, not just general self defence.

I mean, people keep calling GSP the best fighter in the world, or best martial artist etc... So what would happen if lets an enemy had GSP's skillset and moves, and a Navy Seal was on the receiving end of these moves, and for some reason he's been completely disarmed prior to the fight (no guns, no knives), and they're fighting. Who has the edge?

Cause I was just wondering, if GSP is the best fighter and all, wouldn't a Navy Seal be pretty much screwed if he had to fight someone nearly as good as GSP? Naturally, that's something I have trouble swallowing; a Navy Seal losing to an MMA fighter. Yet, everyone who uses Krav Maga in UFC or MMA fights seems to always get owned.

th3warr1or

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

StealthMonkey4

There's other factors besides just fighting technique that would affect it (though I doubt they both learn the exact same techniques).

Why does everyone think that military SF are extensively taught hand to hand?

A SEAL will likely only carry the hand to hand skills he had before he actually volunteered to be a SEAL even after all the training.

Military training is spent learning important things that are tailored to their specific purpose. If you go to SEAL school you learn SCUBA, underwater demolition, and combat training. You can NOT learn how to fight efficiently when you're lugging 70-140 pounds of tactical gear. You rely almost entirely on your weaponry and staying away from the enemy.

A SEAL is not a monster, he's a man. A man with special training. Thats all it is.

Unarmed? Probably GSP since hand-to-hand combat is literally their profession. However, if they aren't confined to an arena, the Navy Seal guy could quite easily GTFO.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I mean, people keep calling GSP the best fighter in the world, or best martial artist etc... So what would happen if lets an enemy had GSP's skillset and moves, and a Navy Seal was on the receiving end of these moves, and for some reason he's been completely disarmed prior to the fight (no guns, no knives), and they're fighting. Who has the edge?

Cause I was just wondering, if GSP is the best fighter and all, wouldn't a Navy Seal be pretty much screwed if he had to fight someone nearly as good as GSP? Naturally, that's something I have trouble swallowing; a Navy Seal losing to an MMA fighter. Yet, everyone who uses Krav Maga in UFC or MMA fights seems to always get owned.

Lockedge

Why does everyone think that military SF are extensively taught hand to hand?

A SEAL will likely only carry the hand to hand skills he had before he actually volunteered to be a SEAL even after all the training.

Military training is spent learning important things that are tailored to their specific purpose. If you go to SEAL school you learn SCUBA, underwater demolition, and combat training. You can NOT learn how to fight efficiently when you're lugging 70-140 pounds of tactical gear. You rely almost entirely on your weaponry and staying away from the enemy.

A SEAL is not a monster, he's a man. A man with special training. Thats all it is.

-TheSecondSign-

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

StealthMonkey4

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

They aren't trained to do any of that, neither are Marines, or anybody. They're trained to fight effectively in hand to hand while wearing a combat load, after they've completely lost all their ammunition and either don't have a rifle with a fixed bayonet or can't use it.

They are not trained to fight hand to hand with another man on an even playing field. An MMA fighter would probably wipe the floor with a SEAL, or a Marine, or whatever.

I'm a Marine, I weigh 150 pounds and I'm 5'9. I'm not a badass. Hell I look like a nerd.

The military trains you to survive in a combat environment. Where you eat ****ty food, live on minimal sleep, and suffer continously from harsh weather and terrain. Nothing about that makes you good at hand to hand.

idk about Navy seals but maybe SPETNAZ or Mossad

sonofsmeagle

Someof you honestly findUFC fighters to bethe most dangerous people in the world huh? Guess we should just teach em how to shoot and then we'd havethe best operatives the world has ever seen :lol:

Someof you honestly findUFC fighters to bethe most dangerous people in the world huh? Guess we should just teach em how to shoot and then we'd havethe best operatives the world has ever seen :lol:

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Real life isn't like some kung-fu movie. There isn't a secret spot to hit someone once that will kill them. GSP knoes as much as any SEAL that if you hit someone hard enough in the temple they will die.

-TheSecondSign-

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

They aren't trained to do any of that, neither are Marines, or anybody. They're trained to fight effectively in hand to hand while wearing a combat load, after they've completely lost all their ammunition and either don't have a rifle with a fixed bayonet or can't use it.

They are not trained to fight hand to hand with another man on an even playing field. An MMA fighter would probably wipe the floor with a SEAL, or a Marine, or whatever.

I'm a Marine, I weigh 150 pounds and I'm 5'9. I'm not a badass. Hell I look like a nerd.

The military trains you to survive in a combat environment. Where you eat ****ty food, live on minimal sleep, and suffer continously from harsh weather and terrain. Nothing about that makes you good at hand to hand.

"The hand-to-hand combat technique from the version of the Spetsnaz GRU is notable for its radicalism. The most of known self-defense systems teach you how to save your life and, if possible, your health in a critical situation; it is not enough for Spetsnaz soldier who operates in the enemy rear......

......He must safely put out of action his attackers in spite of their number and weapons, in addition, it must be done with the least time and force. Exceeding limits of self-defense is of no importance in that case. That's why the arsenal of technical means includes a wide range of strikes at vital centers, joints and other vulnerable spots of a human body, suffocating methods, locks and coercion on joints, neck, spine etc. "

I have noticed ITT that the military members seem to be a bit more inclined to think that the GSP would win than the civilians here have.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's weak spots in the human body, SEALs are trained specifically to kill, not to fight for entertainment...

October_Tide

They aren't trained to do any of that, neither are Marines, or anybody. They're trained to fight effectively in hand to hand while wearing a combat load, after they've completely lost all their ammunition and either don't have a rifle with a fixed bayonet or can't use it.

They are not trained to fight hand to hand with another man on an even playing field. An MMA fighter would probably wipe the floor with a SEAL, or a Marine, or whatever.

I'm a Marine, I weigh 150 pounds and I'm 5'9. I'm not a badass. Hell I look like a nerd.

The military trains you to survive in a combat environment. Where you eat ****ty food, live on minimal sleep, and suffer continously from harsh weather and terrain. Nothing about that makes you good at hand to hand.

"The hand-to-hand combat technique from the version of the Spetsnaz GRU is notable for its radicalism. The most of known self-defense systems teach you how to save your life and, if possible, your health in a critical situation; it is not enough for Spetsnaz soldier who operates in the enemy rear......

......He must safely put out of action his attackers in spite of their number and weapons, in addition, it must be done with the least time and force. Exceeding limits of self-defense is of no importance in that case. That's why the arsenal of technical means includes a wide range of strikes at vital centers, joints and other vulnerable spots of a human body, suffocating methods, locks and coercion on joints, neck, spine etc. "

I was taught self defense in hand to hand in order to become aMarine andamilitary police officer and it included all of that. It damn sure didn't make me unstoppable.

People attribute a mythical sort of effectiveness to military training that does not exist, period. Maybe the spetsnaz are trained to fight hand to hand to the point where they can take ten men at once, but if you were to ask me I'd say that it's honestly just a waste of time and valuable resources that could be spent giving them a sort of training they could actually use.

Here's food for thought: U.S Navy SEALS must master at least four martial arts, these being Krav Maga (which is also adopted by the Israeli special forces), Jiujitsu, Brazilian jiujitsu and Muay Thai. Others are included as well such as western boxing, judo (have to keep up with them sneaky ruskies, Putin is training them ;) ) and even kung fu.

Take what you will from that, maybe the kids and fanboys in here might have calmed down a bit though!

Here's food for thought: U.S Navy SEALS must master at least four martial arts, these being Krav Maga (which is also adopted by the Israeli special forces), Jiujitsu, Brazilian jiujitsu and Muay Thai. Others are included as well such as western boxing, judo (have to keep up with them sneaky ruskies, Putin is training them ;) ) and even kung fu.

Take what you will from that, maybe the kids and fanboys in here might have calmed down a bit though!

mywalletsgone

Unless you've completed BUD/S and SQT, I don't think you have any business talking hearsay.

Welp, I had my food for thought input, and it was dismissed. No point arguing with roid junkies and meatheads! Peace =D

mywalletsgone

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Welp, I had my food for thought input, and it was dismissed. No point arguing with roid junkies and meatheads! Peace =D

thegerg

LOL, Astounding you're asking this question given the direction this thread has taken, huh?

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Welp, I had my food for thought input, and it was dismissed. No point arguing with roid junkies and meatheads! Peace =D

Baconbits2004

I believe I had my 6 hour workout schedule to talk about too did you not hear?

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Welp, I had my food for thought input, and it was dismissed. No point arguing with roid junkies and meatheads! Peace =D

mywalletsgone

I believe I had my 6 hour workout schedule to talk about too did you not hear?

6 hour works outs that sounds hard kind of.
I used to be hardcore like that too, but I discovered pilates, and you really only need like 20 minutes a day for a firm tush and I've been good ever since, ya know?

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]
Aw, you ain't gotta leave, we ain't all bad.

What was that thingy you were talking about, learning 4 different types of kung fu?

Baconbits2004

I believe I had my 6 hour workout schedule to talk about too did you not hear?

6 hour works outs that sounds hard kind of.
I used to be hardcore like that too, but I discovered pilates, and you really only need like 20 minutes a day for a firm tush and I've been good ever since, ya know?

Yeah I might try them out bro, I'm crunching like a car scrap yard all day so I kinda need some relief. Brb tho, gotta sort out these mad veins comin' out my juggular goddamn

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

I believe I had my 6 hour workout schedule to talk about too did you not hear?

mywalletsgone

6 hour works outs that sounds hard kind of.
I used to be hardcore like that too, but I discovered pilates, and you really only need like 20 minutes a day for a firm tush and I've been good ever since, ya know?

Yeah I might try them out bro, I'm crunching like a car scrap yard all day so I kinda need some relief. Brb tho, gotta sort out these mad veins comin' out my juggular goddamn

Sounds like it could be bad, they say the juggular transfers all the blood to your brain, and since I'm sure you don't have much in there you could die pretty fast, and that could be deadly, and you don't want that, and then you wouldn't win UFC.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I mean, people keep calling GSP the best fighter in the world, or best martial artist etc... So what would happen if lets an enemy had GSP's skillset and moves, and a Navy Seal was on the receiving end of these moves, and for some reason he's been completely disarmed prior to the fight (no guns, no knives), and they're fighting. Who has the edge?

Cause I was just wondering, if GSP is the best fighter and all, wouldn't a Navy Seal be pretty much screwed if he had to fight someone nearly as good as GSP? Naturally, that's something I have trouble swallowing; a Navy Seal losing to an MMA fighter. Yet, everyone who uses Krav Maga in UFC or MMA fights seems to always get owned.

BMD004

That was my point. He trains in MMA as well as having training from Marines, and he's no monster or super elite fighter. He's ok. Beatable. If a Marine with MMA training is just decent, I think someone who's excellent at MMA would take the SEAL/Marine, etc. pretty easily in hand to hand.Lockedge

I dunno if I agree with all that, cause isn't the guy we're talking about just a welter weight, I don't think they're top of the line, I think they're just sorta middle ground, and I remember watching the fighter with mark Wahlberg, and he was pretty hot in that, and he was a welter weight, and he wasn't one of those big guys you see like brock lesnar, he was just kind average, and I don't they would lose to someone as strong as a guy in the navy or marines.