Would a Navy Seal be able to defeat GSP in an unarmed fight?

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife. th3warr1or

dont navy seals know how to kill people with their bare hands...they are living weapons...they dont need any...the amount of hand to hand combat the REAL spec ops have in usa is insane...not as much as cqc firearms training...but enough to know to go for pressure points and break joints very quickly...theyre trained to disable someone as they go...u miss a punch...ur gonna get a broken elbow and probably a dislocated shoulder before u can shift ur weight...not to mention the wind knocked outta u...and if ur really lucky...ur knee might not be broken...

People here watch too many movies to answer this question realistically. GSP would win because that's all he trains in. There are so many other things that a SEAL has to train for.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]That was my point. He trains in MMA as well as having training from Marines, and he's no monster or super elite fighter. He's ok. Beatable. If a Marine with MMA training is just decent, I think someone who's excellent at MMA would take the SEAL/Marine, etc. pretty easily in hand to hand.Baconbits2004

I dunno if I agree with all that, cause isn't the guy we're talking about just a welter weight, I don't think they're top of the line, I think they're just sorta middle ground, and I remember watching the fighter with mark Wahlberg, and he was pretty hot in that, and he was a welter weight, and he wasn't one of those big guys you see like brock lesnar, he was just kind average, and I don't they would lose to someone as strong as a guy in the navy or marines.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="clayron"] Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"lpjazzman220

dont navy seals know how to kill people with their bare hands...they are living weapons...they dont need any...the amount of hand to hand combat the REAL spec ops have in usa is insane...not as much as cqc firearms training...but enough to know to go for pressure points and break joints very quickly...theyre trained to disable someone as they go...u miss a punch...ur gonna get a broken elbow and probably a dislocated shoulder before u can shift ur weight...not to mention the wind knocked outta u...and if ur really lucky...ur knee might not be broken...

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]That was my point. He trains in MMA as well as having training from Marines, and he's no monster or super elite fighter. He's ok. Beatable. If a Marine with MMA training is just decent, I think someone who's excellent at MMA would take the SEAL/Marine, etc. pretty easily in hand to hand.BMD004

I dunno if I agree with all that, cause isn't the guy we're talking about just a welter weight, I don't think they're top of the line, I think they're just sorta middle ground, and I remember watching the fighter with mark Wahlberg, and he was pretty hot in that, and he was a welter weight, and he wasn't one of those big guys you see like brock lesnar, he was just kind average, and I don't they would lose to someone as strong as a guy in the navy or marines.

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Well, doesn't GSP know how to disarm people? BMD004

dont navy seals know how to kill people with their bare hands...they are living weapons...they dont need any...the amount of hand to hand combat the REAL spec ops have in usa is insane...not as much as cqc firearms training...but enough to know to go for pressure points and break joints very quickly...theyre trained to disable someone as they go...u miss a punch...ur gonna get a broken elbow and probably a dislocated shoulder before u can shift ur weight...not to mention the wind knocked outta u...and if ur really lucky...ur knee might not be broken...

umm...no...in the army...know green berets...am ranger...i know how much training these guys get...heck im tryin to be a green beret...bein a trained soldier...the upper spec ops guys can beat the s*** outta almost anyone of us...glad i got their back instead of shootin at them...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] The techniques used by MMA fighters to win fights (chokes, pummeling about the head, diableing limbs) are also techniques which are used by warfighters to kill people. Why would such techniques be more or less useful depending on the type of fight?

thegerg

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

I dunno if I agree with all that, cause isn't the guy we're talking about just a welter weight, I don't think they're top of the line, I think they're just sorta middle ground, and I remember watching the fighter with mark Wahlberg, and he was pretty hot in that, and he was a welter weight, and he wasn't one of those big guys you see like brock lesnar, he was just kind average, and I don't they would lose to someone as strong as a guy in the navy or marines.

Baconbits2004

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

You have to weigh 170... that doesn't mean that is what they weigh on fight night. For example, yes, GSP weighs in at 170, but he actually weighs 195 pounds.

Fighters cut water weight for the weigh-in, then rehydrate before fight time.

So GSP will weigh 195 one week before the fight, then he will cut water weight for 1 week leading up to the weigh in. He cuts all carbs and sodium from his diet. This causes water loss. He then trains and sweats and does other things to shed the water. So on Friday, the day before the fight, he will weigh in at 170. Then, right after the weigh in, he'll load up on carbs by eating things like pasta, and he'll rehydrate by drinking things like pedialyte, and he'll rehydrate as close up to 195 as he can get before the fight on Saturday night. That's how they do it.

So yes, he fights in the 170 division, but it is misleading because he actually weighs about 195. All weightclasses do this. So a fighter fighting at 205 pounds probably weighs about 230 on fight night.

This is GSP... does he look like he weighs 170 to you?

I don't know, isn't it illogical to assume that all Navy Seals are at the same level?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

dont navy seals know how to kill people with their bare hands...they are living weapons...they dont need any...the amount of hand to hand combat the REAL spec ops have in usa is insane...not as much as cqc firearms training...but enough to know to go for pressure points and break joints very quickly...theyre trained to disable someone as they go...u miss a punch...ur gonna get a broken elbow and probably a dislocated shoulder before u can shift ur weight...not to mention the wind knocked outta u...and if ur really lucky...ur knee might not be broken...

lpjazzman220

umm...no...in the army...know green berets...am ranger...i know how much training these guys get...heck im tryin to be a green beret...bein a trained soldier...the upper spec ops guys can beat the s*** outta almost anyone of us...glad i got their back instead of shootin at them...

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

I dunno if I agree with all that, cause isn't the guy we're talking about just a welter weight, I don't think they're top of the line, I think they're just sorta middle ground, and I remember watching the fighter with mark Wahlberg, and he was pretty hot in that, and he was a welter weight, and he wasn't one of those big guys you see like brock lesnar, he was just kind average, and I don't they would lose to someone as strong as a guy in the navy or marines.

Baconbits2004

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="clayron"] Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"lpjazzman220

dont navy seals know how to kill people with their bare hands...they are living weapons...they dont need any...the amount of hand to hand combat the REAL spec ops have in usa is insane...not as much as cqc firearms training...but enough to know to go for pressure points and break joints very quickly...theyre trained to disable someone as they go...u miss a punch...ur gonna get a broken elbow and probably a dislocated shoulder before u can shift ur weight...not to mention the wind knocked outta u...and if ur really lucky...ur knee might not be broken...

That is not true at all.

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] What the hell? Welterweights fight other welterweights. Lockedge

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] What the hell? Welterweights fight other welterweights. Lockedge

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.Lockedge

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.Baconbits2004

Yep. And the thing about this is, Bob Sapp is skilled compared to the average Joe. BMD004

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

jeremiah06

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] What the hell? Welterweights fight other welterweights. BMD004

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

You have to weigh 170... that doesn't mean that is what they weigh on fight night. For example, yes, GSP weighs in at 170, but he actually weighs 195 pounds.

Fighters cut water weight for the weigh-in, then rehydrate before fight time.

So GSP will weigh 195 one week before the fight, then he will cut water weight for 1 week leading up to the weigh in. He cuts all carbs and sodium from his diet. This causes water loss. He then trains and sweats and does other things to shed the water. So on Friday, the day before the fight, he will weigh in at 170. Then, right after the weigh in, he'll load up on carbs by eating things like pasta, and he'll rehydrate by drinking things like pedialyte, and he'll rehydrate as close up to 195 as he can get before the fight on Saturday night. That's how they do it.

So yes, he fights in the 170 division, but it is misleading because he actually weighs about 195. All weightclasses do this. So a fighter fighting at 205 pounds probably weighs about 230 on fight night.

This is GSP... does he look like he weighs 170 to you?

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.BMD004

No no no, that's not true at all. That little guy doesn't have enough power to break anything from a hold. He'd just Make it painful for a while.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.Baconbits2004

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] What the hell? Welterweights fight other welterweights. Lockedge

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

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BMD004

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as exampleSize doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.BMD004

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

MgamerBD

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] The techniques used by MMA fighters to win fights (chokes, pummeling about the head, diableing limbs) are also techniques which are used by warfighters to kill people. Why would such techniques be more or less useful depending on the type of fight?

BMD004

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

This is how a fight between an MMA fighter and a Navy Seal would go. Black and white trunks = MMA fighter. Red trunks = navy seal:

Then, he see's he's still awake...

So he runs over and chokes him unconcious.

Haha, you're such an MMA fanboy it's almost funny:P

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

While MMA fighters can kill, the techniques they're taught are not really used for a silent or quick kill (as they're just fighting), and Navy Seals probably know exactly where to hit to kill quickly and silently, however if the MMA fighter is expecting this and already knows of the Seal's presence, the Seal would probably have difficulty doing this.

TacticalDesire

This is how a fight between an MMA fighter and a Navy Seal would go. Black and white trunks = MMA fighter. Red trunks = navy seal:

Then, he see's he's still awake...

So he runs over and chokes him unconcious.

Haha, you're such an MMA fanboy it's almost funny:P

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is how a fight between an MMA fighter and a Navy Seal would go. Black and white trunks = MMA fighter. Red trunks = navy seal:

Then, he see's he's still awake...

So he runs over and chokes him unconcious.

BMD004

Haha, you're such an MMA fanboy it's almost funny:P

I personally have no opinion in the matter, because I don't know enough about seals or MMA...so yeah.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.BMD004

The SEAL would win. GSP is trained to fight clean, the SEAL has been trained to win by any means necessary.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.BMD004

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

jeremiah06

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Yeah, but that kinda limits the type of fighter on the UFC side, where as a 6 foot tall marine can weigh over 200 pounds if he wants, or even go higher, the welter weight guy is limited to like 170 right? I don't mean to be mean, but I think that's kinda shrimpy, and I don't see how he could win being so small.

MgamerBD

That isn't true at all.

Most Marines never train with hand to hand, especially those that work in the actual field.

They're actually the laziest, since they're balls deep in exhausting field work constantly, they take no liberties with their free time. Your average grunt, field MP, Combat Engineer, Combat Corpsman, or what-have-you spends virtually no time even in the gym.

They're either very underweight or border their weight limits and never bother with learning hand to hand because its practically useless anyway. Martial arts are impossible in a combat envrionment because you're wearing a full combat load, not to mention you're at the point of physical exhaustion more often than not, and you also may be dehydrated or starving.

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Umm... what? He had him in an achilles lock. He tapped because the pain was too much and he didn't want to ruin his career. If he wouldn't have tapped, that lock would have ruptured his achilles tendon. If that was a real fight, his achilles would have ruptured, not only causing extreme pain, but making his leg useless. He wouldn't be able to stand or do much of anything anymore. After that, he's done.

BMD004

No no no, that's not true at all. That little guy doesn't have enough power to break anything from a hold. He'd just Make it painful for a while.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] No...just no man...Your taking this thing little too far. You do know there are Marines/special forces that train in martial arts as their job right?. And please stop...Urijah Faber cannot be a heavyweight Marine especially if that Marine trains in Martial arts also. MMA fighters are not gods just normal men also. Your taking this wwwwaaaayyy to far.

MgamerBD

The SEAL would win. GSP is trained to fight clean, the SEAL has been trained to win by any means necessary.

airshocker

A SEAL is trained to perform SCUBA to at least 300 feet, conduct HALO jumps, and perform underwater demolitions.

They aren't sent to BUD/S to learn how to fist fight.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] I would bet my savings that a guy like Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo could defeat a US Marine of any weight in hand to hand combat, 99 times out of 100. I show you Minowaman vs Bob Sapp as example Link. Size doesn't matter when you have the training and skill some of these guys have.-TheSecondSign-

That isn't true at all.

Most Marines never train with hand to hand, especially those that work in the actual field.

They're actually the laziest, since they're balls deep in exhausting field work constantly, they take no liberties with their free time. Your average grunt, field MP, Combat Engineer, Combat Corpsman, or what-have-you spends virtually no time even in the gym.

They're either very underweight or border their weight limits and never bother with learning hand to hand because its practically useless anyway. Martial arts are impossible in a combat envrionment because you're wearing a full combat load, not to mention you're at the point of physical exhaustion more often than not, and you also may be dehydrated or starving.

Would a professional fighter win a fight against someone that isn't a professional fighter? cheese_game619

A SEAL is trained to perform SCUBA to at least 300 feet, conduct HALO jumps, and perform underwater demolitions.

They aren't sent to BUD/S to learn how to fist fight.

-TheSecondSign-

No, they're not trained to fist-fight, you're absolutely right. They're trained to kill with whatever they have available to them. If they can only use their hands, the person is still going to be killed. Whether he's the best MMA fighter in the world or not.

You have no idea how US Special Forces work if you think otherwise.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

A SEAL is trained to perform SCUBA to at least 300 feet, conduct HALO jumps, and perform underwater demolitions.

They aren't sent to BUD/S to learn how to fist fight.

airshocker

No, they're not trained to fist-fight, you're absolutely right. They're trained to kill with whatever they have available to them. If they can only use their hands, the person is still going to be killed. Whether he's the best MMA fighter in the world or not.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]Would a professional fighter win a fight against someone that isn't a professional fighter? th3warr1or

You're right. They aren't good fighters because they get paid. They are good fighters because they traintheir fighting skills six days a week.

I read the first page and the kid arguingthat a Seal would win didn't even know who GSP was. This is funny.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] No...just no man...Your taking this thing little too far. You do know there are Marines/special forces that train in martial arts as their job right?. And please stop...Urijah Faber cannot be a heavyweight Marine especially if that Marine trains in Martial arts also. MMA fighters are not gods just normal men also. Your taking this wwwwaaaayyy to far.

MgamerBD

That isn't true at all.

Most Marines never train with hand to hand, especially those that work in the actual field.

They're actually the laziest, since they're balls deep in exhausting field work constantly, they take no liberties with their free time. Your average grunt, field MP, Combat Engineer, Combat Corpsman, or what-have-you spends virtually no time even in the gym.

They're either very underweight or border their weight limits and never bother with learning hand to hand because its practically useless anyway. Martial arts are impossible in a combat envrionment because you're wearing a full combat load, not to mention you're at the point of physical exhaustion more often than not, and you also may be dehydrated or starving.

There is no MOS where they tain extensively in hand to hand. MCMAP is available for everyone but its almost never faithfully practiced by anyone. Grunts just don't have the time for it. They're often busy trying to spend a night with their families between their second and third deployment, since they also have to fit in field excersises.

And a person wearinga combat load just can't fight, period. Its too easy to throw them around by their flak jacker or gear, or grab their camel back or trip them up.

If you were to ask a Marine how he'd win a fight, especially in that, he'd probably just tell you he'd shoot them and be done with it.

Most grunts are either impossibly scrawny, short, and actually kind of frail, or chunky, and borderline overweight. The beefy, jacked up roid monkey sporting the high and tight is probably a POG.

That is unbelievable that people think this.BMD004

Sorry, what military experience do you have again?

I think this is a lot like Santa Clause.

I think ever since mixed martial arts came about, it is slowly showing people that kung-fu movies where guys are throwing people all over the place and taking on 10 guys at once, and people like Jason Bourne just don't exist in real life.

It's like you don't want to see that combat athletes are the best fighters in the world because it breaks your preconcieved notion about what fighting actually is. It's not as glamourous or "Hollywood" as people think it is.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

A SEAL is trained to perform SCUBA to at least 300 feet, conduct HALO jumps, and perform underwater demolitions.

They aren't sent to BUD/S to learn how to fist fight.

airshocker

No, they're not trained to fist-fight, you're absolutely right. They're trained to kill with whatever they have available to them. If they can only use their hands, the person is still going to be killed. Whether he's the best MMA fighter in the world or not.

You have no idea how US Special Forces work if you think otherwise.

And I call bull****. You're buying into media.

They're trained to do a job. That's it. SEAL training is rough and it breeds rough men, but a rough man doesn't necessarily mean a badass.

A SEAL can lose fist fight. They can be outrunned and outgunned. They're men, not machines.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]That is unbelievable that people think this.airshocker

Sorry, what military experience do you have again?