Would a Navy Seal be able to defeat GSP in an unarmed fight?

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#1 th3warr1or
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I mean, people keep calling GSP the best fighter in the world, or best martial artist etc... So what would happen if lets an enemy had GSP's skillset and moves, and a Navy Seal was on the receiving end of these moves, and for some reason he's been completely disarmed prior to the fight (no guns, no knives), and they're fighting. Who has the edge?

Cause I was just wondering, if GSP is the best fighter and all, wouldn't a Navy Seal be pretty much screwed if he had to fight someone nearly as good as GSP? Naturally, that's something I have trouble swallowing; a Navy Seal losing to an MMA fighter. Yet, everyone who uses Krav Maga in UFC or MMA fights seems to always get owned.

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How many ex-Seals do we see in MMA? There's your answer.

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GSP = gestapo?
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#4 clayron
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So, in this fight you remove every weapon a Navy Seal normally trains with while letting GSP keep all of his? Seems a bit one-sided.
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GSP would be able to defeat chuck norris, thats how good he is

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#6 th3warr1or
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So, in this fight you remove every weapon a Navy Seal normally trains with while letting GSP keep all of his? Seems a bit one-sided.clayron

Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife.

If a Seal could just shoot him, there wouldn't be a contest at all, but like lets say a Seal is trying to escort someone out of a building, and a hostile with GSP's skills attacks him and they start brawling.. Is the Seal pretty much screwed at that point?

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GSP = gestapo?psychobrew
Not far off. *Gamespot Police.
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Something something Anderson Silva!!

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Read chapter 187.

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="clayron"]So, in this fight you remove every weapon a Navy Seal normally trains with while letting GSP keep all of his? Seems a bit one-sided.

Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife.

Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="clayron"]So, in this fight you remove every weapon a Navy Seal normally trains with while letting GSP keep all of his? Seems a bit one-sided.

Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife.

Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"

Well, doesn't GSP know how to disarm people?
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.. Lets go see.. A seal trains to maim and kill people.. A MMA fighter is trained to knock out or sub due their opponent in a environment where there is rules.. IN a street fight I will have to go with the Navy seal thats close to his size.. When they say best fighter in the world.. They mean best organized sport fighter..
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife. th3warr1or
Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"

Well, doesn't GSP know how to disarm people?

yes, of course he does. Many of his foes begin the matches with weapons, only for GSP to disarm them

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it depends on the SEAL, the rules of the fight, and a number of other factors. In most cases, though, I'd say no.thegerg
Not a sanctioned fight. I was just wondering how 'good' GSP is, in the grand scheme of things. Like, in comparison to Spetsnaz or Seals.
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Not really, I mean like.. hypothetically, if they were fighting on a staircase, or in abandoned house etc.. Not MMA fight. Like, during the initial scuffle, the seal loses his knife. th3warr1or
Not a very good Seal if he loses his knife in a "scuffle"

Well, doesn't GSP know how to disarm people?

Yeah but I'm pretty sure that a super saiyan goku could just about edge GSP out =]

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]GSP = gestapo?jimmyjammer69
Not far off. *Gamespot Police.

I have ways of hiding from them.

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This is kind of a dumb scenario. Two different styIes and techniques.

Give an MMA fighter a gun and he wouldn't be able to hit s***. Throw a Seal in the arena and he'll be submitted (unless he's monstrous, in that case his weight advantage puts MMA fighters at a loss).

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If it was underwater then deffo the seal as it could drag him under and such, and be really fast. On land its totaly unfair seals can hardly move about at all.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. Lets go see.. A seal trains to maim and kill people.. A MMA fighter is trained to knock out or sub due their opponent in a environment where there is rules.. IN a street fight I will have to go with the Navy seal thats close to his size.. When they say best fighter in the world.. They mean best organized sport fighter.. thegerg
A professional MMA fighter also spends every moment of his training on fighting with his hands and feet, whereas war-fighters have a much shallower knowledge of and training in different skillsets. Imagine that you have 2 chefs. One chef (A) is internationally recognized as one of the finest in the world. The other chef (B) is renowned for making the best meatloaf on the planet. Chef A could cook chef B under the table in kitchen stadium, but chef B would win a meatloaf cookoff hands-down.

Mmmmm.....Meatloaf.....

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#23 th3warr1or
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This is kind of a dumb scenario. Two different styIes and techniques.

Give an MMA fighter a gun and he wouldn't be able to hit s***. Throw a Seal in the arena and he'll be submitted (unless he's monstrous, in that case his weight advantage puts MMA fighters at a loss).

Saturos3091

I already said, unarmed street fight, probably to the death.

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#24 branketra
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Mmmmm.....Meatloaf.....

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That looks delicious

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#25 branketra
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

This is kind of a dumb scenario. Two different styIes and techniques.

Give an MMA fighter a gun and he wouldn't be able to hit s***. Throw a Seal in the arena and he'll be submitted (unless he's monstrous, in that case his weight advantage puts MMA fighters at a loss).

th3warr1or

I already said, unarmed street fight, probably to the death.

Read chapter 187...

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Seals are not trained for fist fighting. And they'll make sure they won't lose their weapons.

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#28 th3warr1or
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Seals are not trained for fist fighting. And they'll make sure they won't lose their weapons.

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Well.. no matter how well trained you are, slip-ups do happen. Are you saying a Seal cannot be disarmed by another Seal? :?

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I have no idea who GSP is, but a Navy SEAL would clean up any punk MMA fighter. Those guys are trained to kill people with their bare hands, a SEAL would have no trouble wrecking an MMA fighter. Hell, I would even take a US Marine over any of those fighters.
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I have no idea who GSP is, but a Navy SEAL would clean up any punk MMA fighter. Those guys are trained to kill people with their bare hands, a SEAL would have no trouble wrecking an MMA fighter. Hell, I would even take a US Marine over any of those fighters.monkeytoes61

Which is why we see ex-Seals and ex-Marines dominating the MMA scene right?

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If it was underwater then deffo the seal as it could drag him under and such, and be really fast. On land its totaly unfair seals can hardly move about at all.

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[QUOTE="austi722"]

Seals are not trained for fist fighting. And they'll make sure they won't lose their weapons.

th3warr1or

Well.. no matter how well trained you are, slip-ups do happen. Are you saying a Seal cannot be disarmed by another Seal? :?

Jon Fitch is capable of getting a knife from skilled guys. Not saying these dudes are Navy Seals or anything, but Fitch probably didn't have as much experience as them. That being said and regardless, I'd take GSP. MMA fighters are no joke. (Also, Anderson > GSP ;))
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I have no idea who GSP is, but a Navy SEAL would clean up any punk MMA fighter. Those guys are trained to kill people with their bare hands, a SEAL would have no trouble wrecking an MMA fighter. Hell, I would even take a US Marine over any of those fighters.monkeytoes61
No chance. If we're talking guys like Anderson, GSP, Fedor...no chance. You did say any punk MMA fighter. So I don't know if that means that a Seal would beat a scrub or if you were calling MMA fighters punks.
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Typically, a special forces personnel would be trained to completely neutralize an opponent using any means necessary. MMA fighters aren't trained to kill. That being said, I believe the SEAL would be willing to go a lot further towards hurting GSP than vice versa. GSP is altogether a nice guy and unless he doesn't kill the SEAL, I doubt the SEAL will give up until GSP is dead. GSP is a complete beast, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a finisher either. There wouldn't be judges to score this fight so GSP would have to pull a cat out of the bag to make sure it ends early in his favor. He relies a lot on endurance and stamina to win fights. I believe the typical SEAL would have enough stamina to keep up, thus neutralizing GSP's advantage. Honestly it's tough. Also, just because SEAL's aren't in MMA, doesn't mean they wouldn't win a fight against an MMA fighter. That's illogical to assume.

Another way to look at it is that they're trained differently. SEAL's are trained for war, to fight the typical wartime combatant. Wartime fights are completely different than MMA fights, you can't just wait around for your opponent to do something.

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Easier way to ask this.

Who would win in a physicalfight, GSP or a Navy Seal?

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You're giving the SEAL too much credit. While they are trained in unarmed combat, that doesn't automatically mean they can dominate anybody. While a SEAL may be able to take out your average person in a fight, that doesn't automatically mean they can also take out a third degree black belt. It will depend more on the individual than just being a SEAL. I can show you one Navy SEAL who is 5'7 and 145 and I can turn around and show you another who is 6'3 and 250. Which one do you think will have a better chance against GSP?

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Typically, a special forces personnel would be trained to completely neutralize an opponent using any means necessary. MMA fighters aren't trained to kill. That being said, I believe the SEAL would be willing to go a lot further towards hurting GSP than vice versa. GSP is altogether a nice guy and unless he doesn't kill the SEAL, I doubt the SEAL will give up until GSP is dead. GSP is a complete beast, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a finisher either. There wouldn't be judges to score this fight so GSP would have to pull a cat out of the bag to make sure it ends early in his favor. He relies a lot on endurance and stamina to win fights. I believe the typical SEAL would have enough stamina to keep up, thus neutralizing GSP's advantage. Honestly it's tough. Also, just because SEAL's aren't in MMA, doesn't mean they wouldn't win a fight against an MMA fighter. That's illogical to assume.

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It's also kind of illogical to assume that GSP couldn't finish a fight. He needs to win his fights, not end them. His philosophy isn't to score a (T)KO or submission, but to just win.
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Typically, a special forces personnel would be trained to completely neutralize an opponent using any means necessary. MMA fighters aren't trained to kill. That being said, I believe the SEAL would be willing to go a lot further towards hurting GSP than vice versa. GSP is altogether a nice guy and unless he doesn't kill the SEAL, I doubt the SEAL will give up until GSP is dead. GSP is a complete beast, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a finisher either. There wouldn't be judges to score this fight so GSP would have to pull a cat out of the bag to make sure it ends early in his favor. He relies a lot on endurance and stamina to win fights. I believe the typical SEAL would have enough stamina to keep up, thus neutralizing GSP's advantage. Honestly it's tough. Also, just because SEAL's aren't in MMA, doesn't mean they wouldn't win a fight against an MMA fighter. That's illogical to assume.

Another way to look at it is that they're trained differently. SEAL's are trained for war, to fight the typical wartime combatant. Wartime fights are completely different than MMA fights, you can't just wait around for your opponent to do something.

Ghost_702

No it's not. If SEALs truly had the advantage in hand-to-hand combat with their training alone, why wouldn't they just dominate the MMA scene and make millions of dollars?

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GSP could win easily. For some reason, people think Navy Seals are some kind of unarmed killing machine... meaning without a weapon they could destroy anybody in hand to hand combat. It's not true. Most of their training is NOT hand to hand combat.

GSP on the other hand (and other MMA fighters) spend every waking moment fighting. It's what they do. Not only that, but their conditioning and training is geared towards fighting. They are in better "fighting shape" than Seals. Just like a football player isn't in shape for basketball, and a basketball player isn't in shape for football. Their conditioning is different. GSP trains to fight.

You guys completely underestimate MMA fighters while completely overestimate military in hand to hand fights.

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Depends. If it's an actual match GSP would win. If it's in the street I'd take the ex=seal since GSP can lay n' pray in a real fight. :P

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I have no idea who GSP is, but a Navy SEAL would clean up any punk MMA fighter. Those guys are trained to kill people with their bare hands, a SEAL would have no trouble wrecking an MMA fighter. Hell, I would even take a US Marine over any of those fighters.monkeytoes61
That is completely, and utterly stupid. Military personnel are not some ungodly killing machines with their bare hands. There are ex-marines and even special forces fighting in MMA... but they would get their asses completely kicked if they went in there with just what they learned from the military. They have to train for years on JUST fighting before they could even think about entering the cage. Look up Brian Stann and Tim Kennedy.
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#42 communistcat
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Depends. If it's an actual match GSP would win. If it's in the street I'd take the ex=seal since GSP can lay n' pray in a real fight. :P

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Depends. If it's an actual match GSP would win. If it's in the street I'd take the ex=seal since GSP can lay n' pray in a real fight. :PChutebox
GSP wouldn't fight the same way in a street fight as a UFC title bout. He can finish guys, but it's safer not to -- especially if he's better than everyone he faces (which he is). Why risk going for a sub or a knockout if you can outfight someone for 25 minutes?
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Depends, if it a 5 round fight then expect GSP to winby hugging him for 25mins and then say it was the toughest fight of his career

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#45 BMD004
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Depends. If it's an actual match GSP would win. If it's in the street I'd take the ex=seal since GSP can lay n' pray in a real fight. :P

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Yep... lay-n-pray

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#46 PatchMaster
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In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

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#47 BMD004
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In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

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Why do people say this? Are Seals going to be able to pull out their super-secret death techniques on the street?

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#48 Choga
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In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, GSP no contest.

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Fixed.

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Yep... lay-n-prayBMD004
Doesn't matter. Everyone will still think he's a lay-and-pray master because he doesn't actually end the fights early. Damage doesn't matter; it's all about knockouts for just about everyone.
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[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

In an MMA fight, GSP no contest. In a fight to the death, Navy Seal no contest.

BMD004

Why do people say this? Are Seals going to be able to pull out their super-secret death techniques on the street?

my guess would be because that is what they believe. Difference of opinions is allowed