Worst American president of the last 50 years?

Bush.

I'm suprised this is even a debate. But then again America DID elect him twice...

Darkwanderer000

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Bush.

I'm suprised this is even a debate. But then again America DID elect him twice...

Allicrombie

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Bush.

I'm suprised this is even a debate. But then again America DID elect him twice...

KC_Hokie

Look up what Jeb Bush did in the years/months leading up to the general election in florida.

Carter imo.... but Obama might just beat him out in a competition for whose worse

I gotta lay down after reading this thread. The Obama hate is astounding....the other sad part is that no one can justify the hate for him either. All the problems they mentioned are from the last term president.... I say ReaganMgamerBD

I gave my reasons for disliking Obama. None of which are even remotely related to Bush.

It's laughable that there are people here who actually believe Obama is above fault or criticism. We have fan boys for everything else, I suppose Presidents were bound to get some as well.

Dubya, no doubt...

Richard Nixon was actually a very solid president in terms of what he accomplished(EPA, opening up China, weakening Russia), he just screwed up bad with Watergate

Jimmy Carter was bad, but he did no lasting damage...

Dubya set this country back 20 years...

im going with obama, Obama , all he does is take vacations while our troops and police are out workin there buts off for him while he making gas prices higher , not helping the average person ,

hes just killing the markets and everything he touches ,

the world wil lbe broke thanks to him

mariokart64fan

Reagan, that guy made so many mistakes that we are still paying for. All this crap that we are suffering through now started with him. Why the republicans deify him, I will never know...

Bush.

America DID elect him twice...

Darkwanderer000

ugh, don't remind me...soooooooooo much shame

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I gotta lay down after reading this thread. The Obama hate is astounding....the other sad part is that no one can justify the hate for him either. All the problems they mentioned are from the last term president.... I say Reaganairshocker

I gave my reasons for disliking Obama. None of which are even remotely related to Bush.

It's laughable that there are people here who actually believe Obama is above fault or criticism. We have fan boys for everything else, I suppose Presidents were bound to get some as well.

I'm not talking about you though. You gave (kinda)legit reasons of your dislikes of Obama. You are also one of the most vocal people against Obama in OT. So I know your hate is real. But I was talking about the others...their reasoning for disliking him is just plain awful or not thoughtout at all...MgamerBD

I don't hate him, I just don't like his policy.

But there are definitely some people here who need to do a little bit more research on why they like or don't like Obama.

The worst president will always be the previous one.

Reagen

Also, I have a feeling that most people that say Obama are 12 year old haters.

Also, I have a feeling that most people that say Obama are 12 year old haters.

With-Hatred

You misspelled Reagan, by the way.

Bush.

Also, people need to ease up on Obama. He inherited a bunch of crap that would be difficult for anyone to deal with.

Bush.

Also, people need to ease up on Obama. He inherited a bunch of crap that would be difficult for anyone to deal with.

Shadow4020

Bush has nothing to do with 90% of the policies Obama has put forth.

You can keep parroting this sad talking point, but the fact of the matter is most of us have legitimate gripes with Obama. See page two or three where I gave a whole list of them.

This is actually a tough answer. I would put those three on the poll as the worst in the last 50 years. I would probably pick Bush Jr for a :lol: second term. At least Carter and Nixon were in office less then Bush Jr.

However in terms of foreign policy, all the presidents in the last 50 years deserve harsh criticism.

And Ronald Reagan is the most overpraised president in the last 50 years.

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Also, I have a feeling that most people that say Obama are 12 year old haters.

airshocker

You misspelled Reagan, by the way.

Probably George W. Bush

Obama is an absolutely terrible president. The worst? I don't know, but the fact that Bush is on the poll and Obama isn't just goes to show the complete ignorance of the average American. For the record, Bush was a bad president as well in my opinion, I simply feel as though Obama is fudging things up for worse for completely unclear reasons.

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Hold on, let me check on my ideologies and compare it to what Obama has done. (clearly sarcasm)

Yup, I have a negative opinion on him. Now, lets get passed the assumptions on people's opinions and state our reasons.

airshocker

I don't like Obama because of his stance towards business. He can politically posture all he wants, but one is clearly anti-business when they allow our corporate income rate to be the highest in the world, when they pursue cap and trade legislation, when they increase the tax rate o nthe bracket where most small businesses fall under, and when they require businesses to file a form with the IRS when they make a sale of over a certain amount of money.

I dislike Obama for Obamacare, which has caused my insurance premiums to go up. Of course he's not the one increasing them, but his legislation gives insurance companies the excuse to. I also think this healthcare reform should have waited until our economy recovered.

I dislike him for the ridiculous notion that we need high-speed rail in this country, Sure, it would be nice, but why not fix the rail we already HAVE?

I dislike how he promises things and then doesn't follow through with them.(See corporate tax rates)

I don't like his notion that terrorists deserve to be tried in federal courts. They're enemy combatants, they can have a military tribunal and then be promptly executed. We don't need to be spending any more money than we have to on them.

I dislike him for our current gas prices. And don't tell me he can't do anything about it. Something he can do RIGHT NOW is stop forcing refineries to make 20 different blends of fuel.

I dislike how he hasn't cut ag subsidies, and I dislike his policy regarding ethanol. It's a useless product.

I dislike how he hasn't allowed enough drilling in this country. ANWR is untouched when we desperately need the oil.

I also don't like his laughable attempt at creating a budget, and his constant deriding of the only person in Congress who put out a serious budget(Paul Ryan).

That's a good start for now.

To say the least:

The federal tax rate is the lowest it has been in 60 years. About 70 % of US based corporations paid nothing in federal taxes on occasional multi-billion dollar profits, and some received rebates over hundreds of millions of dollars for various reasons. The tax code is very complicated, and there is very little a US president can do about it in 2 years.

You know nothing about this legsilation. According to it, if your premiums have gone up this year, you will get a rebate unless the raises correlate to suddenly high medical receipts. Insurers are still exempt from anti-trust laws, meaning they can engage in things that are illegal for many other companies, such as collusion, monopolies, and price fixing. This is, arguably, why your rates have gone up. In 2014, you will most likely never see a rate hike again... because of this legislation.

The HSR is not his notion. It is a virtually irrelevant issue and talking point. It has many pros and cons, and "fixing the rail we already have" is not generally a valid argument against (or for) the HSR. I don't like that he hasn't: ended the wars, closed guantanomo, implemented a single payer health care system (thereby essentially ending medicaid) which would end Medicaid D and reduce the expensive, wasteful backlog claims from the VA and Medicare, ended the bush tax cuts, reformed social security, repealed the patriot act, cut coal and oil production to begin using every single other alternative energy source including natural gas, ethanol, wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydro, and algae, and stopped hiring lobysits, or rather, made lobbying flat out illegal.

It is not this simple. Not every detainee/prisoner can be classified as an enemy combatant. Trials cost time, resoures and money regardless of their classification. Forcing refineries to what? What are you referring to? Please cite a source or be more specific. I believe exxon-mobil can charge whatever they want for gasoline, because they make 30 billion dollars in profits... and pay no federal taxes to the US government.

Members of the Republican Party head many agricultural committees. Obama's attempts to cut these subsidies were stopped by other members of the US government.

Interesting opinion. Things like State Parks are arguably useless, indeed. The US does not, however, "desperately need the oil."

You understand that Paul Ryan's budget proposes subsidizing medicaid and using a voucher system... or rather... using maoist socialism to implement death panels for old people?

George W. Bush was the worst president of the last 50 years, and the 2nd worst president in the history of the United States.

ITT: Gullible people saying obama for stupid and illogical reasons made up by the republican hate machine.

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Bush.

America DID elect him twice...

mrbojangles25

ugh, don't remind me...soooooooooo much shame

Really he was only elected once. The supreme court appointed him the first time.

Isn't the economic crisis in the U.S. right now created by Ronald Reagan?Lonelynight

US debt, maybe. It was always high but he spiked it allot.

US economic crisis, no. Caused by greedy investors investing in flawed mortgages (allot of them)

LOL. A lot of what you said is wrong, or a very odd opinion. And many of these "policies" you reference require both houses of the US congress to be implemented.

To say the least:

The federal tax rate is the lowest it has been in 60 years. About 70 % of US based corporations paid nothing in federal taxes on occasional multi-billion dollar profits, and some received rebates over hundreds of millions of dollars for various reasons. The tax code is very complicated, and there is very little a US president can do about it in 2 years.

You know nothing about this legsilation. According to it, if your premiums have gone up this year, you will get a rebate unless the raises correlate to suddenly high medical receipts. Insurers are still exempt from anti-trust laws, meaning they can engage in things that are illegal for many other companies, such as collusion, monopolies, and price fixing. This is, arguably, why your rates have gone up. In 2014, you will most likely never see a rate hike again... because of this legislation.

The HSR is not his notion. It is a virtually irrelevant issue and talking point. It has many pros and cons, and "fixing the rail we already have" is not generally a valid argument against (or for) the HSR. I don't like that he hasn't: ended the wars, closed guantanomo, implemented a single payer health care system (thereby essentially ending medicaid) which would end Medicaid D and reduce the expensive, wasteful backlog claims from the VA and Medicare, ended the bush tax cuts, reformed social security, repealed the patriot act, cut coal and oil production to begin using every single other alternative energy source including natural gas, ethanol, wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydro, and algae, and stopped hiring lobysits, or rather, made lobbying flat out illegal.

It is not this simple. Not every detainee/prisoner can be classified as an enemy combatant. Trials cost time, resoures and money regardless of their classification. Forcing refineries to what? What are you referring to? Please cite a source or be more specific. I believe exxon-mobil can charge whatever they want for gasoline, because they make 30 billion dollars in profits... and pay no federal taxes to the US government.

Members of the Republican Party head many agricultural committees. Obama's attempts to cut these subsidies were stopped by other members of the US government.

Interesting opinion. Things like State Parks are arguably useless, indeed. The US does not, however, "desperately need the oil."

You understand that Paul Ryan's budget proposes subsidizing medicaid and using a voucher system... or rather... using maoist socialism to implement death panels for old people?

George W. Bush was the worst president of the last 50 years, and the 2nd worst president in the history of the United States.

stiggy321

You give opinions instead of proof of why I'm 'wrong'.

Never been against closing loopholes. In fact, I'm all for closing them and lowering our corporate tax rate to 20 - 25%. Dollars to donuts we'd be bringing in even more revenue than we are now. That doesn;t change the fact that Obama is anti-business.

I know exactly why my rates are going up, so when you show me proof about this rebate, then your point can stand. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Obama should have focused on the economy rather than healthcare reform.

Yes, I know HSR is a talking point.

Refineries have to make many different blends of gasoline as regulated by the EPA. You remove that regulation, which is unnecesary, or replace it with something along the lines of just forcing them to be unleaded and the refineries won't make useless blends. Despite common belief, it needs to be REALLY cold for gasoline not to work. Places like North Dakota, Montana, Minnesota and Alaska might need different weather blends, but the rest of the States don't. And if consumers still want those different blends, supply and demand will dictate what they get. That will save us money at the pump.

Obama hasn't attempted to cut ag subsidies once. Not once. And Democrats also support them as much if not more than Republicans.

I would argue that while we are reliant on outside oilwe need as much of it as possible to come from the US.

Riiiight. Heard all this BS before about Ryan's plan. Considering nothing changes for those 55 and older. :roll:\

That's your opinion. Mine happens to be that Obama is the worst of my lifetime.

ITT: Gullible people saying obama for stupid and illogical reasons made up by the republican hate machine.

Guybrush_3

Dude it's THEIR opinion.

I personally think hes doing a decent job right now but I can see both sides of it...

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Also, I have a feeling that most people that say Obama are 12 year old haters.

airshocker

You misspelled Reagan, by the way.

Simply moronic.

Reagan committed treason in office. His foreign policy was a joke, as was his economic policy.

Reagan, overall is a joke.

carter and by a wide margin, though barry has been doing so far in office, he might be able to catch up.

hard choice between Carter & Bush Jr

The unnecessary wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, the prevailing acts, bailouts of corporate allies etc all made Bush Jr's presidency stink

Obama, no question. He's spent more money in his first two years than all the Presidents before him since WW2 (Combined) but I guess that's Bush's fault. Here is a list of all the things I guess Bush made him do his first year in office.

Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever. Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever.

Wow! Talk about change.

Justa year after his inauguration celebrations, President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation's most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America 's first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.

Of course, they don't see it as self-imposed. It's all George Bush's fault.

George Bush, who doesn't have a vote in congress and who no longer occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.

He broke Obama's promise to put all bills on the White House web site for five days before signing them.

He broke Obama's promise to have the congressional health care negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.

He broke Obama's promise to end earmarks.

He broke Obama's promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.

He broke Obama's promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in the first year.

He broke Obama's promise to make peace with direct, no precondition talks with America 's most hate-filled enemies during his first year in office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.

He broke Obama's promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high White House jobs.

He broke Obama's promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.

He broke Obama's promise to disclose the names of all attendees at closed White House meetings.

He broke Obama's promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all matters.

He broke Obama's promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday services with his family by Easter of last year.

Yes, it's all George Bush's fault. President Obama is nothing more than a puppet in the never-ending failed Bush administration.
If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, all of President Obama's problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy would be back on track, Iran would have stopped its work on developing a nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel . North Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have been restored to the federal government.

Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats, under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn't have the heavy yoke of George Bush around their necks? There would be no ear marks, no closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).

If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, we'd have real change by now.

All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health care reform, immigration reform) is not President Obama's fault or the fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress. It's all George Bush's fault.

Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president's attorney general, to hold terrorists' trials in New York City . Or his decision to try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.

Two disastrous decisions.

Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.

Need more proof?

You might recall that when Scott Brown won the election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts , capturing "the Ted Kennedy seat", President Obama said that Brown's victory was the result of the same voter anger that propelled Obama into office in 2008. People were still angry about George Bush and the policies of the past 10 years. And they wanted change.

Yes, according to the president, the voter rebellion in Massachusetts was George Bush's fault.

Therefore, in retaliation, they elected a Republican to the Ted Kennedy seat, ending a half-century of domination by Democrats. It is all George Bush's fault.

Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for hope and change ever arrive?

Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something... - anything?

Isn't the economic crisis in the U.S. right now created by Ronald Reagan?Lonelynight

Bush Jr.. IMO..

Isn't the economic crisis in the U.S. right now created by Ronald Reagan?Lonelynight

The Republicans may be the forefront of this kind of business mindset that led to this.. But the Democrats are just as guilty when they have controlled the branches at one time or another during this time and kept the status quo going.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Isn't the economic crisis in the U.S. right now created by Ronald Reagan?With-Hatred

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Isn't the economic crisis in the U.S. right now created by Ronald Reagan?sonicare

Regans mindless and wild increases in debt did hurt though.

Obama

Obama is by far the worst

Obamachathuranga

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With-Hatred

Regans mindless and wild increases in debt did hurt though.

Mindless implies there was not a plan behind it.

He planned to force the USSR into a spending race, to bring about it's destruction faster.(which it succeeded at in the end)

Mindless, no.

Foolish, arguable.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] Actually I think the current crisis is the fault of James Madison's policies. Though I think Van Buren deserves a share of the blame as well.

dercoo

Regans mindless and wild increases in debt did hurt though.

Mindless implies there was not a plan behind it.

He planned to force the USSR into a spending race, to bring about it's destruction faster.(which it succeeded at in the end)

Mindless, no.

Foolish, arguable.