Worst American president of the last 50 years?

[QUOTE="JML897"]:lol: at all the people picking Obama because he's the current President. That happens with every president...the people who were saying Bush was the worst ever when he was in office were ridiculous too. airshocker

So we're not allowed to have legitimate problems with Obama's presidency?

I think this has happened in recent hisotry:

Bush 2.0: People thought he was one of the worst presidents thanks to wars in middle east and recession (Jury is still out)

Clinton in 1993: 37% approval rating, people thought he was one of the worst presidents. (Turned out to be a damn good president)

Hold on, let me check on my ideologies and compare it to what Obama has done. (clearly sarcasm)

Yup, I have a negative opinion on him. Now, lets get passed the assumptions on people's opinions and state our reasons.

DroidPhysX

I don't like Obama because of his stance towards business. He can politically posture all he wants, but one is clearly anti-business when they allow our corporate income rate to be the highest in the world, when they pursue cap and trade legislation, when they increase the tax rate o nthe bracket where most small businesses fall under, and when they require businesses to file a form with the IRS when they make a sale of over a certain amount of money.

I dislike Obama for Obamacare, which has caused my insurance premiums to go up. Of course he's not the one increasing them, but his legislation gives insurance companies the excuse to. I also think this healthcare reform should have waited until our economy recovered.

I dislike him for the ridiculous notion that we need high-speed rail in this country, Sure, it would be nice, but why not fix the rail we already HAVE?

I dislike how he promises things and then doesn't follow through with them.(See corporate tax rates)

I don't like his notion that terrorists deserve to be tried in federal courts. They're enemy combatants, they can have a military tribunal and then be promptly executed. We don't need to be spending any more money than we have to on them.

I dislike him for our current gas prices. And don't tell me he can't do anything about it. Something he can do RIGHT NOW is stop forcing refineries to make 20 different blends of fuel.

I dislike how he hasn't cut ag subsidies, and I dislike his policy regarding ethanol. It's a useless product.

I dislike how he hasn't allowed enough drilling in this country. ANWR is untouched when we desperately need the oil.

I also don't like his laughable attempt at creating a budget, and his constant deriding of the only person in Congress who put out a serious budget(Paul Ryan).

That's a good start for now.

Having problems is one thing, saying he's the worst President of the past 50 years is another.

(I wasn't really talking about you since you said "in my lifetime" which I'm guessing only means 4 or 5 presidents)

JML897

5 sounds about right. Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama.

Regan

Nixon

Bush

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Hold on, let me check on my ideologies and compare it to what Obama has done. (clearly sarcasm)

Yup, I have a negative opinion on him. Now, lets get passed the assumptions on people's opinions and state our reasons.

airshocker

I don't like Obama because of his stance towards business. He can politically posture all he wants, but one is clearly anti-business when they allow our corporate income rate to be the highest in the world, when they pursue cap and trade legislation, when they increase the tax rate o nthe bracket where most small businesses fall under, and when they require businesses to file a form with the IRS when they make a sale of over a certain amount of money.

I dislike Obama for Obamacare, which has caused my insurance premiums to go up. Of course he's not the one increasing them, but his legislation gives insurance companies the excuse to. I also think this healthcare reform should have waited until our economy recovered.

I dislike him for the ridiculous notion that we need high-speed rail in this country, Sure, it would be nice, but why not fix the rail we already HAVE?

I dislike how he promises things and then doesn't follow through with them.(See corporate tax rates)

I don't like his notion that terrorists deserve to be tried in federal courts. They're enemy combatants, they can have a military tribunal and then be promptly executed. We don't need to be spending any more money than we have to on them.

I dislike him for our current gas prices. And don't tell me he can't do anything about it. Something he can do RIGHT NOW is stop forcing refineries to make 20 different blends of fuel.

I dislike how he hasn't cut ag subsidies, and I dislike his policy regarding ethanol. It's a useless product.

I dislike how he hasn't allowed enough drilling in this country. ANWR is untouched when we desperately need the oil.

I also don't like his laughable attempt at creating a budget, and his constant deriding of the only person in Congress who put out a serious budget(Paul Ryan).

That's a good start for now.

That is still NOTHING compared to those escapades like Vietnam or the war on terror. The mans a saint compared to some of the previous presidents, you just have an irrational hatred for him.PS2_ROCKS

The War on Terror was essential. I'm not so sure about Iraq, but Afghanistan was required.

I don't hate Obama. I don't like policies. There's a difference.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Hold on, let me check on my ideologies and compare it to what Obama has done. (clearly sarcasm)

Yup, I have a negative opinion on him. Now, lets get passed the assumptions on people's opinions and state our reasons.

airshocker

I don't like Obama because of his stance towards business. He can politically posture all he wants, but one is clearly anti-business when they allow our corporate income rate to be the highest in the world, when they pursue cap and trade legislation, when they increase the tax rate o nthe bracket where most small businesses fall under, and when they require businesses to file a form with the IRS when they make a sale of over a certain amount of money.

I dislike Obama for Obamacare, which has caused my insurance premiums to go up. Of course he's not the one increasing them, but his legislation gives insurance companies the excuse to. I also think this healthcare reform should have waited until our economy recovered.

I dislike him for the ridiculous notion that we need high-speed rail in this country, Sure, it would be nice, but why not fix the rail we already HAVE?

I dislike how he promises things and then doesn't follow through with them.(See corporate tax rates)

I don't like his notion that terrorists deserve to be tried in federal courts. They're enemy combatants, they can have a military tribunal and then be promptly executed. We don't need to be spending any more money than we have to on them.

I dislike him for our current gas prices. And don't tell me he can't do anything about it. Something he can do RIGHT NOW is stop forcing refineries to make 20 different blends of fuel.

I dislike how he hasn't cut ag subsidies, and I dislike his policy regarding ethanol. It's a useless product.

I dislike how he hasn't allowed enough drilling in this country. ANWR is untouched when we desperately need the oil.

I also don't like his laughable attempt at creating a budget, and his constant deriding of the only person in Congress who put out a serious budget(Paul Ryan).

That's a good start for now.

Ryan's budget is laughable at best. He doesn't address defense spending, lowers the corporate tax, and his cuts to medicaire will cost seniors dearly.

It was an ideological budget, all it was.

Secondly, Obama isn't the one telling the gas companies to raise their prices, if you haven't noticed. The blends of fuel is not the sole reason for gas prices today.

Thirdly, the U.S. corporate tax rate isn't what it's advertised. (See GE). I don't see how some companies, that 'pay the 35% tax supposedly', make billions in profits and at the same time cut jobs (i think thats GE again if im not mistaken).

Businesses/Corporations have money at heart, not the consumer.

Obama,

Never has a president blamed others more for his inability to lead.

Never has a president pushed us more into debt.

Never has a president gone to war with a country with out congressional approval.

Never has a president divided a nation so much as to label anyone who says a discouraging word aboutthe president and/or his administration a racist.

Never has a president failed to accomplish every platform he campaigned on (Ending wars, Gitmo, Economy, Jobs, wall street reform).

To a majority of Americans (yes majority), Obama will go down in history as the president that should have been impeached but America was to "race-scared" to do so.

Ryan's budget is laughable at best. He doesn't address defense spending, lowers the corporate tax, and his cuts to medicaire will cost seniors dearly.

It was an ideological budget, all it was.

Secondly, Obama isn't the one telling the gas companies to raise their prices, if you haven't noticed. The blends of fuel is not the sole reason for gas prices today.

Thirdly, the U.S. corporate tax rate isn't what it's advertised. (See GE). I don't see how some companies, that 'pay the 35% tax supposedly', make billions in profits and at the same time cut jobs (i think thats GE again if im not mistaken).

Businesses/Corporations have money at heart, not the consumer.

DroidPhysX

I never said he was the one telling the gas companies to raise their prices. I'm blaming him for not doing things that are WITHIN his power to achieve. Removing the EPA's regulation forcing fuel refineries to make 20 blends of gasoline would save us a good bit of money at the pumps. It's an unnecessary regulation considering gas companies are smart enough to tailor certain blends to different states. I very much doubt a refinery is going to provide gasoline that won't be able to work in the arctic weather that North Dakota experiences for 8 months out of the year.

We are PROVIDING them those loopholes. It's logical to think that if we remove the loopholes and lower the corporate tax rates to 20%, we'd get more revenue in the long run. For one, they wouldn't have to spend nearly as much money on lawyers to go over the tax laws.

Lyndon B. Johnson, George Bush and Obama are the ones I despise the most.

Lyndon B. Johnson, George Bush and Obama are the ones I despise the most.

ColonelVodka

Why LBJ?

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

Lyndon B. Johnson, George Bush and Obama are the ones I despise the most.

DroidPhysX

Why LBJ?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Ryan's budget is laughable at best. He doesn't address defense spending, lowers the corporate tax, and his cuts to medicaire will cost seniors dearly.

It was an ideological budget, all it was.

Secondly, Obama isn't the one telling the gas companies to raise their prices, if you haven't noticed. The blends of fuel is not the sole reason for gas prices today.

Thirdly, the U.S. corporate tax rate isn't what it's advertised. (See GE). I don't see how some companies, that 'pay the 35% tax supposedly', make billions in profits and at the same time cut jobs (i think thats GE again if im not mistaken).

Businesses/Corporations have money at heart, not the consumer.

airshocker

I never said he was the one telling the gas companies to raise their prices. I'm blaming him for not doing things that are WITHIN his power to achieve. Removing the EPA's regulation forcing fuel refineries to make 20 blends of gasoline would save us a good bit of money at the pumps. It's an unnecessary regulation considering gas companies are smart enough to tailor certain blends to different states. I very much doubt a refinery is going to provide gasoline that won't be able to work in the arctic weather that North Dakota experiences for 8 months out of the year.

We are PROVIDING them those loopholes. It's logical to think that if we remove the loopholes and lower the corporate tax rates to 20%, we'd get more revenue in the long run. For one, they wouldn't have to spend nearly as much money on lawyers to go over the tax laws.

Even better idea:

Leave the tax rate alone and remove the loopholes.

Even better idea:

Leave the tax rate alone and remove the loopholes.

DroidPhysX

The loopholes are what is keeping business in this country. Removing the loopholes and not lowering the rates would DESTROY our economy.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

Lyndon B. Johnson, George Bush and Obama are the ones I despise the most.

majoras_wrath

Why LBJ?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Even better idea:

Leave the tax rate alone and remove the loopholes.

airshocker

The loopholes are what is keeping business in this country. Removing the loopholes and not lowering the rates would DESTROY our economy.

Destroy our economy? Link?

Businesses are making billions in profits and still cutting jobs. (GE if im not mistaken). How is that stimulating the economy again?

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Why LBJ?

ColonelVodka

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] "Hey Hey, LBJ, How Many Kids Did You Kill Today?" Forgetting his importance to his civil rights movement, and his programs against poverty, of course.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]In the long run his programs weren't that great.

ColonelVodka

He also is the reason so many people receive the aid they need in for of Medicare and Medicaid.

Which even if you believe that medicare and medicaid are evil socialist programs (judging by your avatar, I would think otherwise), I would hope you recognize the staggering accomplishment of getting Southern states to support Civil Rights during this period.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Yeah man, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a total wash.majoras_wrath

He also is the reason so many people receive the aid they need in for of Medicare and Medicaid.

Which even if you believe that medicare and medicaid are evil socialist programs (judging by your avatar, I would think otherwise), I would hope you recognize the staggering accomplishment of getting Southern states to support Civil Rights during this period.

reagancomp_atkins

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]reaganmonkeytoes61

EDIT: Then again, I am forgetting about his cringeworthy foreign policy decisions, such as Cold War escalation, giving weapons to the Mujaheddin, the Iran-Contra affair.

Oh yeah, and the "war on drugs".

Reagan was THIS close from being the worst President in history, seeing as the Soviets managed to brankrupt before we did. Personally, JFK was the worst President in the past 50 years, I mean, he was so bad he got shot, right? Just kidding, I love JFK. Hard to pick a worst for me, I find I'm very lacking in contemporary history as opposed to every other era in American history.

I hated Bush with a passion but I realize now that a lot of it was ignorance. It's the same with the people against Obama in this thread. They look at the current social and economic problems in America and automatically blame the President. As an individual with the most power and publicity, he's an easy target; but what they don't realize is, there are far more things out of the Presidents reach than they think. Especially domestic problems that are under direct influence of the congress/Senate.

If you're saying Obama because of the economy and rising gas prices then you're hating him for the same ignorance I hated Bush for.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]reaganmajoras_wrath

EDIT: Then again, I am forgetting about his cringeworthy foreign policy decisions, such as Cold War escalation, giving weapons to the Mujaheddin, the Iran-Contra affair.

Oh yeah, and the "war on drugs".

The war on drugs...one of the biggest fails that's going on today.

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]reaganmajoras_wrath

EDIT: Then again, I am forgetting about his cringeworthy foreign policy decisions, such as Cold War escalation, giving weapons to the Mujaheddin, the Iran-Contra affair.

Oh yeah, and the "war on drugs".

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] Troll post?-Sun_Tzu-

EDIT: Then again, I am forgetting about his cringeworthy foreign policy decisions, such as Cold War escalation, giving weapons to the Mujaheddin, the Iran-Contra affair.

Oh yeah, and the "war on drugs".

Well, I'm going to have to say:

reagancomp_atkins

Hard to say. Often times presidents are blamed for events that happened during their time in office, regardless of whether or not they were at fault.

They all had good and bad aspects, but I would have to say that voluntarily starting the war in Iraq alone was the biggest mistake of the last 50 years, so Dubya takes the cake for me.

Destroy our economy? Link?

Businesses are making billions in profits and still cutting jobs. (GE if im not mistaken). How is that stimulating the economy again?

DroidPhysX

You honestly think removing loopholes and keeping tax rates where they're at will help our economy?

Show me where they're cutting jobs and I will show you a reason for it.

Wait, which George Bush is in the poll? The father, or the son? I'm not American, and I always get them confused.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Destroy our economy? Link?

Businesses are making billions in profits and still cutting jobs. (GE if im not mistaken). How is that stimulating the economy again?

airshocker

You honestly think removing loopholes and keeping tax rates where they're at will help our economy?

Show me where they're cutting jobs and I will show you a reason for it.

I'd say Lyndon B. Johnson is the worst for increasing government control and escalating the War in Vietnam and mismanaging the whole operation. There are some things I commend him for and one of them is signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But other than that, I think he was awful for this country.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Destroy our economy? Link?

Businesses are making billions in profits and still cutting jobs. (GE if im not mistaken). How is that stimulating the economy again?

airshocker

You honestly think removing loopholes and keeping tax rates where they're at will help our economy?

Show me where they're cutting jobs and I will show you a reason for it.

Some are cutting jobs, but some simply aren't replenishing jobs lost during the recession. There's no guarantee that lower tax rates or leaving loopholes open is going to lead to a better economy, profits have picked up steadily for months now and unemployment has just recently dropped to slightly below 8%. Meanwhile, companies that play by the rules and center their business in America are paying the top rate, and companies like Google, because of the money they spend on lawyers, are paying less than 20%. Our current tax code is a perverse one that discourages business to create jobs and encourages them to find ways of shirking taxes altogether.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]reaganmonkeytoes61

Some are cutting jobs, but some simply aren't replenishing jobs lost during the recession. There's no guarantee that lower tax rates or leaving loopholes open is going to lead to a better economy, profits have picked up steadily for months now and unemployment has just recently dropped to slightly below 8%. Meanwhile, companies that play by the rules and center their business in America are paying the top rate, and companies like Google, because of the money they spend on lawyers, are paying less than 20%. Our current tax code is a perverse one that discourages business to create jobs and encourages them to find ways of shirking taxes altogether.

theone86

Who are you talking to? I'm the one in favor of closing loopholes and bringing us to a rate of where most companies are paying: 20 - 25%. Even if that means increasing tax rates for companies that AREN'T paying.

In America, very few firms actually submit 35% of their taxable income to the government. According to various studies, the effective average tax rate for corporations is more like 25%, thanks to a bevy of loopholes, deductions and credits. And, as David Leonhardt pointed outin a recent column, there is also a large variation in what individual companies pay in taxes. He reports, "Of the 500 big companies in the well-known Standard & Poor's stock index, 115 paid a total corporate tax rate—both federal and otherwise—of less than 20 percent over the last five years... Thirty-nine of those companies paid a rate less than 10 percent."

The Economist

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] I would love to put him on there, because I blame many of his economic policies for a good portion of the troubles we have now, not to mention the ludicrous military spending track he put us on, but he did have a lot of other good policies as well.

EDIT: Then again, I am forgetting about his cringeworthy foreign policy decisions, such as Cold War escalation, giving weapons to the Mujaheddin, the Iran-Contra affair.

Oh yeah, and the "war on drugs".

imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]Never has a president pushed us more into debt. scorch-62

Well when you look at our debt situation, you have to think, if people didn't vote in more republicans from the 2010 elections, those Bush era tax cuts would have expired, our deficit would of been reduced by trillions.

T

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]Never has a president pushed us more into debt. Never has a president divided a nation so much as to label anyone who says a discouraging word aboutthe president and/or his administration a racist. Never has a president failed to accomplish every platform he campaigned on (Ending wars, Gitmo, Economy, Jobs, wall street reform). To a majority of Americans (yes majority), Obama will go down in history as the president that should have been impeached but America was to "race-scared" to do so.scorch-62

George Bush spent more, and he kept his pet spending measures off the books entirely.

Conservatives during the years following 9/11 said that anyone who questioned the wars was a traitor and should be tried for treason.

Why didn't Obama close Gitmo? Because Congress stipped him.

There have been hundreds of thousands of jobs created under Obama's watch.

Congress did pass Wall Street Reform.

Just about every President in history has failed to bring about some of their campaign promises.

So all of these never-before scenarios are actually quite often before. Hm, why would you say never before then? Only one thing I can think of that Obama's done that's never been done before.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] In defense of Reagan, he didn't start the "war" on drugs. That would be Nixon. Reagan just carried the torch. -Sun_Tzu-