Is H0m0sexuality a choice?

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

foxhound_fox

Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.

Of course it isn't biological. I like the colour blue...is that because of my biological structure? No...

jointed

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

Lakin0817

Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.

What does disease have ANYTHING to do with the question if its a choice or not?

Don't deviate from the topic. You're trying to bring down homosexuality because you THINK it causes disease. Even if it DID cause disease, how does that make it more of a "choice" ie sin?

It isn't a choice.kruesader

Indeed. Whereas "biological" might be the wrong word, it certainly isn't an act of voilition. I've never heard someone who is openly gay say they chose to be gay despite the fact that this would attract no more ill attention than just being that way (well, where I live). I also have no reason to doubt them either, I simply don't believe the entire gay community is working together in a mass conspiracy to convince us that they chose to be gay if it was openly a choice it would've been busted wide open by now (this is not to be confused with people who take on gay lifestyles by choice, I am instead talking here about gay sexual preference).

Is there any proof it is Biological? I think it's a choice, like any choice we make and we can't help. Like some people don't like anime and no matter how much they try they just can't get into it, even if its the best anime around. Though I realise comparing sexual attraction to fondness to objects is not the best way to say it. 123625

A choice (or more specifically "choosing") implies volition, surely? You can't choose without will as otherwise it's not a choice, it's an impulse.

The truth is we don't really know what causes it, but one thing is astoundingly clear, it is NOT a choice. The only reason the debate hasn't moved onto the whys and hows and why it is so and instead still focuses on whether it is a choice or not is because you can't prove volition and in addition to that many people have to believe that it is a choice or their entire belief systems fall apart (you know who I'm talking about).

Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.Lakin0817

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

the_one34

Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.

What does disease have ANYTHING to do with the question if its a choice or not?

Don't deviate from the topic. You're trying to bring down homosexuality because you THINK it causes disease. Even if it DID cause disease, how does that make it more of a "choice" ie sin?

The reference to disease shows that you aren't born that way. If a life s t y l e induces the spread of disease then it must be unnatural. If it goes against the nature of Gods creation (or the laws of nature for you atheists) then it must be a choice. Otherwise it's genocide. Wise up people, think with your mind, not your heart.

I used to think it was an immoral choice, but then I starting to think that it can also be dangerous because in order to survive, we have to have babies.

Wolf-Man2006

Who is we? Children are born in many modern developed countries with very high chances of reaching adulthood, in addition to this many places are overpopulated. We don't have to have to have children to survive and at some point it come become the case that we might have to start having less chlidren to survive.

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

I used to think it was an immoral choice, but then I starting to think that it can also be dangerous because in order to survive, we have to have babies.

Articuno76

Who is we? Children are born in many modern developed countries with very high chances of reaching adulthood, in addition to this many places are overpopulated. We don't have to have to have children to survive and at some point it come become the case that we might have to start having less chlidren to survive.

Talk about genocide. How selfish to say WE don't need children to survive. You're right in what you say, but its nice of you to think about your children's children and their future.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course it isn't biological. I like the colour blue...is that because of my biological structure? No...

ithilgore2006

Nope...this doesn't make it biological though.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.foxhound_fox

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.the_one34

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.Lakin0817

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

I don't know a single atheist that sees homosexuality as a sin, so your argument fails again.

Why am I still here again?

The one thing I've never understood about homophobes is that a lot of them claim that there is some dark "homosexual agenda." I've wracked my brain trying to guess what that could possibly be.

Everybody take cover, they're going to make the world more fabulous!

Bio_Spark

Ya know what the definition of Agenda is?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agenda

If they gay community pressing for a disease spreading life s t y l e to be accepted as the norm isn't an agenda, then what is ?

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.Lakin0817

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.the_one34

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

I don't know a single atheist that sees homosexuality as a sin, so your argument fails again.

Why am I still here again?

You are picking and choosing what to read. You are showing your lact of intellect by quoting on your half read statements. I never said atheists said it was a sin. I said an atheist can agree that if an action spread a disease by natures standards then it can't be a natural creation or evolution, however you want to view it.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course it isn't biological. I like the colour blue...is that because of my biological structure? No...

jointed

Nope...this doesn't make it biological though.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.foxhound_fox

I thought you were leaving before I get you banned. Everything I have said is a fact. Everything you have said is an opinion from personal feelings.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.Lakin0817

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

I don't know a single atheist that sees homosexuality as a sin, so your argument fails again.

Why am I still here again?

You are picking and choosing what to read. You are showing your lact of intellect by quoting on your half read statements. I never said atheists said it was a sin. I said an atheist can agree that if an action spread a disease by natures standards then it can't be a natural creation or evolution, however you want to view it.

Unforunately I do not have any idea how to respond to you, because anything I say will not change your mind. Let's leave homosexuals out of society until they decide to come to the "right" side, is that what you want?

I'm out. (I've been saying this in 4 posts, now it's true. This is useless)

[QUOTE="joeytentz"]

All evidence points to no.

Prefering chocolate ice cream over vanilla is not a choice, it is just how ones taste buds are wired.

Dracargen

When I was little, I loved chocolate ice cream.

Now I hate it. Vanilla for the win.

At this point I'm beginning to wonder why there is no option to mod people for really bad arguments...

Anyway. The problem with your arguments in general is that you are just looking for contradictions in what people say without thinking about what the contradiction means. In the above case...sure your tastes changed, but did you CHOOSE to change them? I doubt it. People don't suddenly decide to not like things anymore, they can gain acquired tastes and loose other tastes, but that still isn't something they have control over.

Please, go and think seriously about what your answers imply before you say something because your posts are nearing spam.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.the_one34

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

I don't know a single atheist that sees homosexuality as a sin, so your argument fails again.

Why am I still here again?

You are picking and choosing what to read. You are showing your lact of intellect by quoting on your half read statements. I never said atheists said it was a sin. I said an atheist can agree that if an action spread a disease by natures standards then it can't be a natural creation or evolution, however you want to view it.

Unforunately I do not have any idea how to respond to you, because anything I say will not change your mind. Let's leave homosexuals out of society until they decide to come to the "right" side, is that what you want?

I'm out. (I've been saying this in 4 posts, now it's true. This is useless)

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

I have a gay guy friend and a gay girl friend, and they both have told me that they were born that way, and I have no reason to doubt them. I mean why would you all of a sudden want to live a lifestyle where you will be ridiculed for the rest of your life? It doesn't make sense.

And to all the people that say you choose to be gay so are you saying that you yourself could just turn gay tomorrow? You could do with a man what you would do with a woman and LOVE doing it? I don't know about yall, but I couldn't, which leads me to believe, you are born that way.peaceful_anger

Pedifiles say they are born with it to. Who is right? I personally think they told you that cuz of the guilt and not wanting to be responisble for the guilt and shame of their sexual preference. Otherwise, why not say its a choice if you're proud of it?

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.Lakin0817

I'm with you, no use debating a fundamental Christian about the homoexuality.

Or anything else, for that matter.

Read the rest of my posts in this debate. I've posted many viewpoints from atheistic standards too. So don't give me that garbage.

I don't know a single atheist that sees homosexuality as a sin, so your argument fails again.

Why am I still here again?

You are picking and choosing what to read. You are showing your lact of intellect by quoting on your half read statements. I never said atheists said it was a sin. I said an atheist can agree that if an action spread a disease by natures standards then it can't be a natural creation or evolution, however you want to view it.

Unforunately I do not have any idea how to respond to you, because anything I say will not change your mind. Let's leave homosexuals out of society until they decide to come to the "right" side, is that what you want?

I'm out. (I've been saying this in 4 posts, now it's true. This is useless)

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Yes, the fact that its been observed in many, many animals means that it's definitely not natural. Purely based on choice beacuse lesser animals also have our uncanncy ability to reason! They aren't pressing their life crap on you, you're pressing yours on theirs.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Mr_sprinkles

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

the_one34

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

So I'm guessing you're a creationist and that God made us all in our special way? Thus who is homosexual is purely based on choice. Am I right?

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

Lakin0817

Find me some numbers, find out how many straight people die from diseases vs homosexuals. Now don't sit there and tell me disease has nothing to do with it. You really are living in a sandbox.

What does disease have ANYTHING to do with the question if its a choice or not?

Don't deviate from the topic. You're trying to bring down homosexuality because you THINK it causes disease. Even if it DID cause disease, how does that make it more of a "choice" ie sin?

The reference to disease shows that you aren't born that way. If a life s t y l e induces the spread of disease then it must be unnatural. If it goes against the nature of Gods creation (or the laws of nature for you atheists) then it must be a choice. Otherwise it's genocide. Wise up people, think with your mind, not your heart.

I'm afraid it simply doesn't work that way. I would consider disease as part of nature and although not a good thing.

You are getting the issue of nature and choice confused. Just because something isn't life sustaining, doesn't mean it isn't natural, or maybe gays are an useful part of nature whose function we don't know yet (I've heard theories that they are "nature's godparents") (think of it this way, if you look at carnivourous animals you could argue they aren't conductive to life since they kill other animals...however we are well armed with the knowledge that this habit creates a sustainability of life in general in a complex way).

Get back on base now. You are beginning to go OT. This about whether being gay is a choice or not, that isn't necessarily the same as whether it is conductive to life or not (many natural occurences simply aren't, that doesn't make them any more or less natural).

In any case, you can be born with ailments that are crippling and can even set your fate in stone from the moment you are born, some people are born knowing they will not live past a certain age...are they not natural? Maybe not ordinary cases, but the product of choice? Hell no.

I thought you were leaving before I get you banned. Everything I have said is a fact. Everything you have said is an opinion from personal feelings. Lakin0817

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

the_one34

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

So I'm guessing you're a creationist and that God made us all in our special way? Thus who is homosexual is purely based on choice. Am I right?

God created us to make our own choices. Thats the meaning of life, to make a certain choice, but we won't get into that one. God isn't going to create something only to have it kill itself off due to how it was created. God is no fool. He created humankind to flurish and thrive, our choices are what is killing us off.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]I thought you were leaving before I get you banned. Everything I have said is a fact. Everything you have said is an opinion from personal feelings. foxhound_fox

Are you trying to convince me or yourself? You have some deeper issues in accepting your homosexuality. As a Christian I love you just because you are you. But you trying to justify your choices is a sad sad issue in which i'll always disagree with.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

So I'm guessing you're a creationist and that God made us all in our special way? Thus who is homosexual is purely based on choice. Am I right?

God created us to make our own choices. Thats the meaning of life, to make a certain choice, but we won't get into that one. God isn't going to create something only to have it kill itself off for the only reason on how it was created. God is no fool. He created humankind to flurish and thrive, our choices are what is killing us off.

Why don't you answer to the fact that animals exhibit homosexuality?

Oh, right, they're not God's "special" creation

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

the_one34

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

So I'm guessing you're a creationist and that God made us all in our special way? Thus who is homosexual is purely based on choice. Am I right?

God created us to make our own choices. Thats the meaning of life, to make a certain choice, but we won't get into that one. God isn't going to create something only to have it kill itself off for the only reason on how it was created. God is no fool. He created humankind to flurish and thrive, our choices are what is killing us off.

Why don't you answer to the fact that animals exhibit homosexuality?

Oh, right, they're not God's "special" creation

You proved yourself again, I already discussed this, go back and read again. I proved perfectly well that animals may exibit homosexual isolated acts, but its not a life s t y l e I've seen a dog bone a stuff animal. Does that mean thats how it was born to be? To have sex with stuffed animals? Get a clule.

What does a dog humping a stuffed animal have to do with anything? This is about choice, I don't think all of those animals CHOOSE to be homosexual instead of heterosexual, do you?

Are you trying to convince me or yourself? You have some deeper issues in accepting your homosexuality. As a Christian I love you just because you are you. But you trying to justify your choices is a sad sad issue in which i'll always disagree with.Lakin0817

I know you atheists out there are going to disregard this, but i'm going to say it anyway.

God created man and woman. He created woman to be a partner for man. I'm a Catholic and for Catholics, marriage is a sacrament. Why? because it's a sacred thing. When a man loves a woman and marries her and they have kids, they are essentially assisting God in creating new people with new souls created in God's immage and likeness. This is the point of Marriage. God creates new people through the great love of two individuals. This can't happen with gay marriages. Gayness goes against God's plan. Besides, in my eyes, gay love is more based on sexual pleasure than real love. You can love someone without having sex with them.

Now, I don't hate gay people just because they're gay I STRONGLY disagree with them. I also feel that it's my duty as a Christian to continue to STRONGLY disagree with them.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

"STDs are more common in the homosexual community therefore it must be a choice"

Haha, great logic there.

I know you atheists out there are going to disregard this, but i'm going to say it anyway.

God created man and woman. He created woman to be a partner for man. I'm a Catholic and for Catholics, marriage is a sacrament. Why? because it's a sacred thing. When a man loves a woman and marries her and they have kids, they are essentially assisting God in creating new people with new souls created in God's immage and likeness. This is the point of Marriage. God creates new people through the great love of two individuals. This can't happen with gay marriages. Gayness goes against God's plan. Besides, in my eyes, gay love is more based on sexual pleasure than real love. You can love someone without having sex with them.

Now, I don't hate gay people just because they're gay I STRONGLY disagree with them. I also feel that it's my duty as a Christian to continue to STRONGLY disagree with them.

P47Rotgut

Why disagree with them if its not their choice? That's like disagreeing with someone for having down-syndrome.

I am an ex-Catholic in a country were 98% are catholics btw.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I'm not saying leave them out of the community at all, but lets not pat their back and give them special rights cuz they say its not a choice when in fact it actually is a choice. They are pressing their life****on me, not the other way around. And IM the bad guy for saying don't call it a natural born orientation when it's clearly not.

Lakin0817

See you can't come up with an intelligent comment or comeback. I've already proven that it's not a choice. I enjoy a good debate. In the end we can agree to disagree. But clearly, nature isn't going to contine to evolve (for all you atheists and agnostics) if it is recreating itself to spread bacteria and disease only to wipe itself out in the long run. It's rediculous.

Ahh now you're bringing evolution into this. I'm up for some fun!

From an evolutionist perspective, what I said is correct and you know it.

Saying "from an evolutionary perspective homosexuality is wrong" is absolutely stupid, because evolution has nothing to do with morality whatsoever.