Is H0m0sexuality a choice?

All evidence points to no.

Prefering chocolate ice cream over vanilla is not a choice, it is just how ones taste buds are wired.

joeytentz

When I was little, I loved chocolate ice cream.

Now I hate it. Vanilla for the win.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]If it was of any significance, I'd raise hell about this. I mean, I think heterosexuality is totally gross but I don't run around whining about that.Jandurin

I guess the whole birthing part is gross.

Can't be grosser than horse birthing, though.

That was wild. And it was the mother's first birth, so she was FREAKING OUT. I thought she was gonna break her stall.

Wait... How did we go from sexuality to horses? You're good...

If it was of any significance,Scarebaby

It isn't. The word "homosexuality" is censored in topic titles because people use the word homo as an insult, and the GS owners don't want that.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]If it was of any significance, I'd raise hell about this. I mean, I think heterosexuality is totally gross but I don't run around whining about that.Scarebaby

I guess the whole birthing part is gross.

Can't be grosser than horse birthing, though.

That was wild. And it was the mother's first birth, so she was FREAKING OUT. I thought she was gonna break her stall.

Wait... How did we go from sexuality to horses? You're good...

lol gay

Wait... How did we go from sexuality to horses? You're good...Scarebaby

All girls like horses, FACT.

Anyway, is it the consequences of heterosexuality you were referring to, or the men? 'Cause I think the women are the grosser part of the, erm, couple.

Nurture.

If it was nature then it would be an instinct, which humans don't have much of any more. If anything though, our instincts would be to be heterosexual and keep our race going. Taking this into account would make homosexuality an abnormalty of sorts. Which it isn't. The way you're brought up and the experiences you have with both sexes during your adolescense decides.

:lol:

All girls like horses, FACT.

Anyway, is it the consequences of heterosexuality you were referring to, or the men? 'Cause I think the women are the grosser part of the, erm, couple.

Jandurin

The men, for sure!

And now I got modded too, just perfect. I bet it was one o' them damn hetresexuals or watchacall'em.

The men, for sure!

And now I got modded too, just perfect. I bet it was one o' them damn hetresexuals or watchacall'em.Scarebaby

Women, and their bits, are way grosser than men. Always leaking and such.

I really want to say "breeders?" but I bet that would get me modded.

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

I used to think it was an immoral choice, but then I starting to think that it can also be dangerous because in order to survive, we have to have babies.

chutup

Haven't you seen the news recently about the world baby shortage and the baby riots in Africa?

I have a gay friend and form what I've seen it isn't a choice. Think about how many homosexuals remain "in the closet". They don't want to be honest about their personal feelings because they are afraid of what friends/family/society might think of them. Why would anyone choose that?allnamestaken

Not enough Jesus in their lives?

Women, and their bits, are way grosser than men. Always leaking and such.Jandurin

Hahahahahaha!! Golden! XD

Social conditioning

[QUOTE="joeytentz"]

All evidence points to no.

Prefering chocolate ice cream over vanilla is not a choice, it is just how ones taste buds are wired.

Dracargen

When I was little, I loved chocolate ice cream.

Now I hate it. Vanilla for the win.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="joeytentz"]

All evidence points to no.

Prefering chocolate ice cream over vanilla is not a choice, it is just how ones taste buds are wired.

Mr_sprinkles

When I was little, I loved chocolate ice cream.

Now I hate it. Vanilla for the win.

Not consciously.

The fact that my taste changed at all shows that my taste buds were not wired to like Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream.

[QUOTE="chutup"][QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

I used to think it was an immoral choice, but then I starting to think that it can also be dangerous because in order to survive, we have to have babies.

darkslider99

Haven't you seen the news recently about the world baby shortage and the baby riots in Africa?

*thud* *thud* *thud* *thud* *thud* *thud*

click if you dare...

I cried :(
But yeah, i believe it's how you're brought up

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

I used to think it was an immoral choice, but then I starting to think that it can also be dangerous because in order to survive, we have to have babies.

ProudLarry

Obviously you haven't studied about sex because show me where a man-on-man gave birth to babies. If not, I guess the discussion is over.

It isn't a choice.kruesader

If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Lakin0817

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't careLakin0817

So you're saying homosexuality is wrong?

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Scarebaby

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Scarebaby

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

They're certainly in the same category...sexual preferences.

Social norms decides which one is acceptable though.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't carethe_one34

So you're saying homosexuality is wrong?

I'm a Christian, love the sinner hate the sin. With saying that, yes I think its wrong cuz the bible teaches so. But in non believers defense, even if it isn't wrong (homosexuality) in societies eyes, then pedifilia isn't either, they are both sexual choices right? Sounds rediculous but true. On the other hand, if one isn't a choice, then either is the other. Now where does this leave the gay community and their ideas that its not wrong and they are born like this.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Lakin0817

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

No, pedophiles do not choose their desires, but the difference is that pedophiles after little children, and homosexuals are NOT. How can you compare those as if they're the same thing? I'm homosexual but I'll tell you what; I've never had sex with a child, I prefer full grown women.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.jointed

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

They're certainly in the same category...sexual preferences.

Social norms decides which one is acceptable though.

I agree 100%, now the only question is, who is pressing to influence those social norms? The gay community.

in the same category...sexual preferences.

jointed

Then so is heterosexuality, since it's a sexual preference.

it's a choice and it's a biological urge or predisposition. A person has homosexual urges because of the combination of their DNA and life experiences.

If you have a "johnson" and you put it inside another guy's rectum that is choice.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Scarebaby

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

No, pedophiles do not choose their desires, but the difference is that pedophiles after little children, and homosexuals are NOT. How can you compare those as if they're the same thing? I'm homosexual but I'll tell you what; I've never had sex with a child, I prefer full grown women.

You're living in a shell, if you don't choose your sexual desires how can you say a pedifile chooses theirs. You're arrogant to say such a thing. You're basing your feelings on the victims. Hell all of society is a victim of homosexuality. They spread of diseases. They high rate of violence in gay relationships. They high rate of suicide in gay relationships. The high level of mental illness in the gay community.

Of course it isn't biological. I like the colour blue...is that because of my biological structure? No...

jointed

yes it is actually.

It is as much a choice as being an ectomorph.

I pose this question to heterosexuals, if heterosexuality were considered "wrong" by society could you chose to become homosexual, the "right" sexual alignment? Think about that the next time you chastise homosexuals for being "wrong."

Homophobia is bull****.foxhound_fox

What about people who choose to be straight to hide their homosexuality? There are a lot of goofy people in the world that would choose to go against what their body tells them.

I agree 100%, now the only question is, who is pressing to influence those social norms? The gay community.

Lakin0817

And the comparison with paedophilia is not a very good one. The reason Paedophilia is bad is because children cannot consent, and it is taking advantage of innocent children. This is not true of a gay couple.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Lakin0817

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

No, pedophiles do not choose their desires, but the difference is that pedophiles after little children, and homosexuals are NOT. How can you compare those as if they're the same thing? I'm homosexual but I'll tell you what; I've never had sex with a child, I prefer full grown women.

You're living in a shell, if you don't choose your sexual desires how can you say a pedifile chooses theirs. You're arrogant to say such a thing. You're basing your feelings on the victims. Hell all of society is a victim of homosexuality. They spread of diseases. They high rate of violence in gay relationships. They high rate of suicide in gay relationships. The high level of mental illness in the gay community.

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

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You're living in a shell, if you don't choose your sexual desires how can you say a pedifile chooses theirs. You're arrogant to say such a thing. You're basing your feelings on the victims. Hell all of society is a victim of homosexuality. They spread of diseases. They high rate of violence in gay relationships. They high rate of suicide in gay relationships. The high level of mental illness in the gay community.

Lakin0817

I'm living in a shell?! Good God!

I want you to link me to those statistics that prove what you just said about homosexual relationships.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course it isn't biological. I like the colour blue...is that because of my biological structure? No...

tazzydnc

yes it is actually.

It is? So I'm biologically predestined to like, lets say, fast cars too? No...it has nothing to do with my biological structure.

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I agree 100%, now the only question is, who is pressing to influence those social norms? The gay community.

Mr_sprinkles

And the comparison with paedophilia is not a very good one. The reason Paedophilia is bad is because children cannot consent, and it is taking advantage of innocent children. This is not true of a gay couple.

You're getting off the subject pal. It's not about consent, we are discussing desires. Is the desire a choice or not. Stay on subject.

If homosexuality is a choice why do some animals exhibit such behaviour? Are they capable of choosing their sexuality?the_one34

How many studies have shown that animals have the same sex partner? Has a male dog tried to bone another male dog? Yes becuase they are horny DOGS. They try to screw a stuffed animal. Does that mean they are born to bone stuffed animals. Poor analogy on your part. You will see two monkeys, male and female as a couple for life. You won't see to males who regularly interact sexually for live.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Lakin0817

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

No, pedophiles do not choose their desires, but the difference is that pedophiles after little children, and homosexuals are NOT. How can you compare those as if they're the same thing? I'm homosexual but I'll tell you what; I've never had sex with a child, I prefer full grown women.

You're living in a shell, if you don't choose your sexual desires how can you say a pedifile chooses theirs. You're arrogant to say such a thing. You're basing your feelings on the victims. Hell all of society is a victim of homosexuality. They spread of diseases. They high rate of violence in gay relationships. They high rate of suicide in gay relationships. The high level of mental illness in the gay community.

As for the bolded, do you think this is because they are in a relationship with the person they love (regardless of gender) or because people like you feel the need to demonise and marginalise them?

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"]If being a homosexual isn't a choice, then being a pedifile isn't a choice either. They were born with those desires...so it's ok. Heck, lets just give the pedifile rights to. We'll call it the Childrens rights movement. Sounds crazy but it's exactly what the gay community is doing. Anyone's sexuality is a choice. Some just feel more guilty than others and try to push it off on society. You don't see Heterosexuals making a big fuss about what they believe. Or ramming it down societies throats through the media. Only the gay community does this. I can only imagine the guilt they must feel to try and persuade everyone else it's not their fault they are sexual deviants. If they really didn't care, why do they feel the need to justify it. If they think its OK, they why bother? Well, that answers it's own question.Lakin0817

So homosexuality and pedophilia is essentially the same thing?

No, pedophiles do not choose their desires, but the difference is that pedophiles after little children, and homosexuals are NOT. How can you compare those as if they're the same thing? I'm homosexual but I'll tell you what; I've never had sex with a child, I prefer full grown women.

You're living in a shell, if you don't choose your sexual desires how can you say a pedifile chooses theirs. You're arrogant to say such a thing. You're basing your feelings on the victims. Hell all of society is a victim of homosexuality. They spread of diseases. They high rate of violence in gay relationships. They high rate of suicide in gay relationships. The high level of mental illness in the gay community.

Yea being gay and living in "society" sucks for all those reasons. Be gay so long as you dont rape or overly pressure someone else into a form of intercourse they dont truly want. If you want to come, then come but don't hurt yourself or your partner in the process.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I agree 100%, now the only question is, who is pressing to influence those social norms? The gay community.

Lakin0817

And the comparison with paedophilia is not a very good one. The reason Paedophilia is bad is because children cannot consent, and it is taking advantage of innocent children. This is not true of a gay couple.

You're getting off the subject pal. It's not about consent, we are discussing desires. Is the desire a choice or not. Stay on subject.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]If homosexuality is a choice why do some animals exhibit such behaviour? Are they capable of choosing their sexuality?Lakin0817

How many studies have shown that animals have the same sex partner? Has a male dog tried to bone another male dog? Yes becuase they are horny DOGS. They try to screw a stuffed animal. Does that mean they are born to bone stuffed animals. Poor analogy on your part. You will see two monkeys, male and female as a couple for life. You won't see to males who regularly interact sexually for live.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Each point has its own citation, more or less.

"For example, male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In a well-publicized story from 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring.[144]"

Yes, I'm sure sure that building nests together and using a stone as a surrogate egg is just because they were very horny.

Homophobia can be described as self preservation. If leprcy was a community Would you support it. Heck no, why would you want to see a community flourish and thrive that is killing itself along with innocents due to the spread of diseases caused by unnatural actions? Even an atheist can agree, if nature rejects an action that causes the spread of bacteria and disease, then there must be something wrong with that action. Man was not made to interact with man, same with woman. It's unnatural even from a Godles viewpoint.

Lakin0817

[QUOTE="Lakin0817"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Lakin0817"]

I agree 100%, now the only question is, who is pressing to influence those social norms? The gay community.

Mr_sprinkles

And the comparison with paedophilia is not a very good one. The reason Paedophilia is bad is because children cannot consent, and it is taking advantage of innocent children. This is not true of a gay couple.

You're getting off the subject pal. It's not about consent, we are discussing desires. Is the desire a choice or not. Stay on subject.

That's my point. If it's not a choice then either is pedophila. They are simply sexual desires they are born with. It's insignificant who it affects. If there is significance on who it affects, then it becomes choice now doesn't it?