Ban Spanking?

[QUOTE="kittensRjerks"]

I was only ever spanked once as a kid, and my parent vowed never to do it again. Instead they found other ways to punish me instead of having to be abusive.

ice144

It wasn.t so much of a spanking but more getting whacked with a belt and the buckle caught me and left a huge welt on my behind... My parents grew up getting spanked and such, and ever since that day vowed to never ever hit their kids.

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

It's not just that. I spanked my kid because she forced out the plastic covers on an electrical outlet and wanted to stick a fork in it. Explaining why it's dangerous was pointless without an actual demonstration of the consequences. I found it better to put the fear of God into her with certain situations until she was aware why. Those alternative methods work mostly for the usual whiny brats. That wouldn't stop my kid at all from messing with the electrical outlet.

chrisrooR

They understand pain and associate it with certain behaviors they do especially by the time they reach 3 or 4. If they can't understand why and reacts out of fearfulness, that's fine. They'll eventually learn why. The only way your argument would hold is if you use spanking for every little wrong a kid does. It doesn't work that way. Spanking is done only in certain circumstances.

Here are my thoughts:

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

It's not just that. I spanked my kid because she forced out the plastic covers on an electrical outlet and wanted to stick a fork in it. Explaining why it's dangerous was pointless without an actual demonstration of the consequences. I found it better to put the fear of God into her with certain situations until she was aware why. Those alternative methods work mostly for the usual whiny brats. That wouldn't stop my kid at all from messing with the electrical outlet.

chrisrooR

They Better take the ass whooping.

Here are my thoughts:

entropyecho

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="aransom"]Or when your kid undoes their seatbelt while you're driving down the highway.

jun_aka_pekto

They understand pain and associate it with certain behaviors they do especially by the time they reach 3 or 4. If they can't understand why and reacts out of fearfulness, that's fine. They'll eventually learn why. The only way your argument would hold is if you use spanking for every little wrong a kid does. It doesn't work that way. Spanking is done only in certain circumstances.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="aransom"]Or when your kid undoes their seatbelt while you're driving down the highway.

aransom

To add to my last post....

As the kid gets older, I decrease the punishments. My kid reached that stage by the time she was in 1st grade. At that point, me merely being in a strict mood and pointing out what she did wrong was enough. Currently, my kid is a freshman in HS. I don't have to tell her to do her homework or get good grades. She gets no restrictions on her computer use and she's got full privacy in her room.

The only thing I'm readying now is a shotgun with cartridge holders. One for each ex-boyfriend.

Outright banning all forms of corporal punishment seems a bit extreme to me. When used properly, it is fine. I do not support the measure.

No, increase it. Let teachers spank their students too. :P horgen123

In what way? :oops:

But I've been a naughty boy.

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] So you're essentially reinforcing your own behavior (hitting your child). The more you hit your child, the more you begin to believe that it works to stop behavior that isn't wanted. What you're actually doing to the child is much different. The child cannot possibly begin to understand WHY what they're doing is wrong, so why would you hit them when they can't understand why you're hitting them. So instead of developing a relationship with your child, you're making he/she fearful of you as a parent. The child won't do an action, not because it's wrong, but because the child is fearful of being hit/punished, which is the wrong way to approach the situation. It's a bad parenting move.chrisrooR

[QUOTE="horgen123"]No, increase it. Let teachers spank their students too. :P no_more_fayth

In what way? :oops:

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="aransom"]And how many kids do you have?

aransom

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="horgen123"]No, increase it. Let teachers spank their students too. :P horgen123

In what way? :oops:

As long as the student is over 16.

Or 18, depending on where you live. :o

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] So you're essentially reinforcing your own behavior (hitting your child). The more you hit your child, the more you begin to believe that it works to stop behavior that isn't wanted. What you're actually doing to the child is much different. The child cannot possibly begin to understand WHY what they're doing is wrong, so why would you hit them when they can't understand why you're hitting them. So instead of developing a relationship with your child, you're making he/she fearful of you as a parent. The child won't do an action, not because it's wrong, but because the child is fearful of being hit/punished, which is the wrong way to approach the situation. It's a bad parenting move.chrisrooR

That translates to "I don't have any but I know how to raise you child better than you." You can always pick out the people who have no kids in a discussion like this. They are typically the ones who are 100% against it, and say any form of physical discipline is child abuse.

I've never spanked my child. However I'm not against spanking in general. What most people fail to understand is a child is nothing more than Id. Walking talking want. You CANNOT reason, rationalize, or bargan with Id. You can only temporaraly curb it.

All the people on the "nay" side of the argument seem to think your child needs to always understand your actions as a parent 100% of the time all the time. Guess what, they don't and won't no matter what you do. At such a young age they won't understand and don't need to. That comes later. Even so you can always talk to your child shortly after the fact, to try and get them to understand why. It's not as if people are beating their children for every little thing then go about their day as if nothing happened.

Thing is to shock children, not HURT children. Sometimes a good spank will do more than 1 week of grounding.curono

As long as the student is over 16.

Or 18, depending on where you live. :o

no_more_fayth

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

As long as the student is over 16.

Or 18, depending on where you live. :o

horgen123

Sounds like a nice time. :P

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

There's a difference between spanking and beating.

Not to a child

[QUOTE="curono"]Thing is to shock children, not HURT children. Sometimes a good spank will do more than 1 week of grounding.chrisrooR

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="aransom"]

And why is that relevant?aransom

People are allowed to have opinions on matters they may not be directly involved in, and they are just as valid. His argument does not become invalid simply because he doesn't have a child, it's the argument it's self that matters. If you disagree, post an opposing argument. Besides, this is OT, basically all we do is post our opinions on matters that we are not experts in.

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="aransom"]And how many kids do you have?

keech

That translates to "I don't have any but I know how to raise you child better than you." You can always pick out the people who have no kids in a discussion like this. They are typically the ones who are 100% against it, and say any form of physical discipline is child abuse.

I've never spanked my child. However I'm not against spanking in general. What most people fail to understand is a child is nothing more than Id. Walking talking want. You CANNOT reason, rationalize, or bargan with Id. You can only temporaraly curb it.

All the people on the "nay" side of the argument seem to think your child needs to always understand your actions as a parent 100% of the time all the time. Guess what, they don't and won't no matter what you do. At such a young age they won't understand and don't need to. That comes later. Even so you can always talk to your child shortly after the fact, to try and get them to understand why. It's not as if people are beating their children for every little thing then go about their day as if nothing happened.

Sounds like a nice time. :P

no_more_fayth

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

00-Riddick-00

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

At first I thought this was about our new policy of publicly spanking users before we ban them, and I was wondering how the news leaked out. S***! I've said too much.rragnaar

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

I think it's up to parent's how they decide to discipline their child.I've never been one to compare spanking to some sort of abuse.If they spank their children then fine, if they don't then it's just as fine; they should be allowed to decide that though.

I would not spank my child, I would prefer to use non-physical ways of disicpline.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

redstorm72

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

AutoPilotOn

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

I doesn't matter what you consider it to be, it is violence. And like I said in my first post, I strongly disagree with spanking, but I believe the parent has the right to chose how to raise their kid. Parent's are just being lazy when they resort to physical means to punish a child, they just want the quickest and easiest way to discipline their child.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

OldTopics

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

Once again, that's just lazy parenting. A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

[QUOTE="curono"]Thing is to shock children, not HURT children. Sometimes a good spank will do more than 1 week of grounding.chrisrooR

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

I doesn't matter what you consider it to be, it is violence. And like I said in my first post, I strongly disagree with spanking, but I believe the parent has the right to chose how to raise their kid. Parent's are just being lazy when they resort to physical means to punish a child, they just want the quickest and easiest way to discipline their child.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

redstorm72

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

physical violence? there a BIG difference from spanking for correcting a child, and for hitting a child for "correction"

i was spanked and i turned out ok. i support spanking. when i cursed out and misbehaved in school i know i got spanked when i got home and that stopped me from doing it again cause i did not want to get spanked again.

if my mom and dad said " your grounded" no TV for a day or week, what does that do? oh wow i lost my TV for a day or week big deal and i think i would of been turned out for the bad.

you can say spanking is a form of deterrence from having your childed from mistreating you and others, and doing things that are wrong.

now when a dad gets home and he calls his kid over and tells him to bend over and hits him for no reason at all, or when a parent punches and bruises there kid for "correction" now that childed abused.

[QUOTE="OldTopics"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

Once again, that's just lazy parenting. A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

[QUOTE="OldTopics"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

redstorm72

Once again, that's just lazy parenting. A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] I dont consider spanking violent. I think if you want a way to raise your kids without spanking at all thats fine. I wont make you but to force it on everyone else is wrong. And also some kids respond differently to different types of discipline. Some may never need spanked to be good however there are some that really need it.AutoPilotOn

I doesn't matter what you consider it to be, it is violence. And like I said in my first post, I strongly disagree with spanking, but I believe the parent has the right to chose how to raise their kid. Parent's are just being lazy when they resort to physical means to punish a child, they just want the quickest and easiest way to discipline their child.

same thing with me. in my Jr. High and my Teen years. i learn to be respectful, i learn to have manners.

if my mom and dad DID the REAL lazy way out and said im grounded what will that do? so what if i lose my N64, PlayStation, TV, phone for a day or week. all that will tell me is that i can do it again and all i will risk is just losing some entertainment for a few days.

A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

redstorm72