Ban Spanking?

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[QUOTE="OldTopics"] alot of kids wont shutup/stop whining until spanked. you could yell at them and they would keep going. sometimes kids do need to be hitOldTopics

Once again, that's just lazy parenting. A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

What, so the only way to punish a kid is with physical violence? Ever heard of a time out? There are dozens of ways to punish a kid without resorting to hitting them. Take their favorite toy away, no TV before bed, sit them in the corner, etc.

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Once again, that's just lazy parenting. A parent can't be bothered to gain a report with their child and to actually teach them that what their doing is wrong, so they yell at and hit the kid.

redstorm72

What, so the only way to punish a kid is with physical violence? Ever heard of a time out? There are dozens of ways to punish a kid without resorting to hitting them. Take their favorite toy away, no TV before bed, sit them in the corner, etc.

so the new politically correct way of calling spanking is physical violence wow just wow.

I also think they need to bring spanking in school back. Alot of kids have no respect for teachers anymore detention? hhaha supsension yea no school. But the pain and embarassment of getting a paddle is real. I knew a kid in school that had detention every day it was actually a goal of his to see how many he could get . Finally the school sent a permission form home to spank him and his parents signed it. After that he stopped getting the detentions.AutoPilotOn

Hell no. If a teacher ever touched my child I would beat the **** out of them (I have no probelm with beating an adult :P ). A teacher has no right to physically discipline another persons child.

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]I also think they need to bring spanking in school back. Alot of kids have no respect for teachers anymore detention? hhaha supsension yea no school. But the pain and embarassment of getting a paddle is real. I knew a kid in school that had detention every day it was actually a goal of his to see how many he could get . Finally the school sent a permission form home to spank him and his parents signed it. After that he stopped getting the detentions.redstorm72

Hell no. If a teacher ever touched my child I would beat the **** out of them (I have no probelm with beating an adult :P ). A teacher has no right to physically discipline another persons child.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="curono"]Thing is to shock children, not HURT children. Sometimes a good spank will do more than 1 week of grounding.curono

you pretty much hit it right in the nail. you spank you kid and explain to them what he/she did wrong, and then you ground them. at the end what they will think twice before doing that same thing again if they know its wrong to do.

And we see how well discipline in school it going. If they teachers have no right to do anything what do the kids have to worry about listening?AutoPilotOn

Spanking is fine, all you Nancy boys need to drop your purses. :D

Spanking is fine, all you Nancy boys need to drop your purses. :D

Freebird8877

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Spanking is fine, all you Nancy boys need to drop your purses. :D

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me and you both

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Hell no. If a teacher ever touched my child I would beat the **** out of them (I have no probelm with beating an adult :P ). A teacher has no right to physically discipline another persons child.

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Holy crap, I've said it 5 times, spanking is not the only method of discipline. Use a timeout, or any other method instead.

so the new politically correct way of calling spanking is physical violence wow just wow.acsam12304

Definition: Violence

Noun

1. Swift and intense force

2. Rough or injurious physical force, action or treatment

3. An unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power

It's not politically correct, it's the definition.

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I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

redstorm72

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

Oh really? Please tell me how you teach discipline to a 3 year old without using physical means. :lol:

Have you ever tried to reason with a two year old or talk to them about what they did?

They can barely speak. :|

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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]

I was spanked when i did something i wasnt supposed to do.. And I turned out alright. Kids these days need to be spanked more.. They have no discipline.

Aku101

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

Oh really? Please tell me how you teach discipline to a 3 year old without using physical means. :lol:

A timeout. It worked just fine on me and all my cousins.

A timeout for three year old children?

They wouldn't listen.

They wouldn't sit still.

Even yelling doesn't work half the time.

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And we see how well discipline in school it going. If they teachers have no right to do anything what do the kids have to worry about listening?redstorm72

Holy crap, I've said it 5 times, spanking is not the only method of discipline. Use a timeout, or any other method instead.

so the new politically correct way of calling spanking is physical violence wow just wow.acsam12304

Definition: Violence

Noun

1. Swift and intense force

2. Rough or injurious physical force, action or treatment

3. An unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power

It's not politically correct, it's the definition.

A timeout for three year children?

They wouldn't listen.

They wouldn't sit still.

Even yelling doesn't work half the time.

no_more_fayth

All I've got to say is watch Super Nanny. It does work, you just have to be persistent.

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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Every generation thinks the kids of the day are undisciplined (remember when rock music was corrupting the youth?). Kids today are no different then they ever were. Besides, discipline doesn't need to come from physical violence, it can be taught far better through other means.

redstorm72

Oh really? Please tell me how you teach discipline to a 3 year old without using physical means. :lol:

A timeout. It worked just fine on me and all my cousins.

Timeouts only work because the child sees disapproval of his/her actions in their peers in your case the cousins. Timeouts do not work when it's only between parent and child.

All I've got to say is watch Super Nanny. It does work, you just have to be persistent.

redstorm72

Not if they're too young to comprehend what you're telling them.

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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Oh really? Please tell me how you teach discipline to a 3 year old without using physical means. :lol:

Aku101

A timeout. It worked just fine on me and all my cousins.

Timeouts only work because the child sees disapproval of his/her actions in their peers in your case the cousins. Timeouts do not work when it's only between parent and child.

Yes it does, I'm an only child and my mother disciplined me quite effectively with timeouts. I rarely saw my cousins as a child so they would have had no influence on me.

The next generation of Canadians is going to be a bunch of deliquents.

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[QUOTE="redstorm72"] And we see how well discipline in school it going. If they teachers have no right to do anything what do the kids have to worry about listening?redstorm72

Holy crap, I've said it 5 times, spanking is not the only method of discipline. Use a timeout, or any other method instead.

so the new politically correct way of calling spanking is physical violence wow just wow.acsam12304

Definition: Violence

Noun

1. Swift and intense force

2. Rough or injurious physical force, action or treatment

3. An unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power

It's not politically correct, it's the definition.

ok so you think this. behind every house hold that spanks there kids. the kids are in terror from there parents, the innocent kids run and hide in fear that mom and dad will catch them and hit them to kingdom come for no reason.

wait and see, if you have kids dont cry if just "grounding" dont work anymore.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

All I've got to say is watch Super Nanny. It does work, you just have to be persistent.

no_more_fayth

Not if they're too young to comprehend what you're telling them.

Children are smarter then you give them credit for. Besides, I can teach my dog to sit in a corner for as long as I want and they have co concept of language at all.

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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

A timeout. It worked just fine on me and all my cousins.

redstorm72

Timeouts only work because the child sees disapproval of his/her actions in their peers in your case the cousins. Timeouts do not work when it's only between parent and child.

Yes it does, I'm an only child and my mother disciplined me quite effectively with timeouts. I rarely saw my cousins as a child so they would have had no influence on me.

Your anecdotal evidence is very solid. Timeouts don't work when kids throw tantrums in super markets. Anyways there is nothing wrong with spanking your child. When they grow up they realize that it was necessary and it wasn't so bad.

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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

All I've got to say is watch Super Nanny. It does work, you just have to be persistent.

redstorm72

Not if they're too young to comprehend what you're telling them.

Children are smarter then you give them credit for. Besides, I can teach my dog to sit in a corner for as long as I want and they have co concept of language at all.

All hail, master trainer.

Considering the lack of discipline in today's society, most kids I see in public deserve a good smack on the bum

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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

A timeout. It worked just fine on me and all my cousins.

redstorm72

Timeouts only work because the child sees disapproval of his/her actions in their peers in your case the cousins. Timeouts do not work when it's only between parent and child.

Yes it does, I'm an only child and my mother disciplined me quite effectively with timeouts. I rarely saw my cousins as a child so they would have had no influence on me.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Timeouts only work because the child sees disapproval of his/her actions in their peers in your case the cousins. Timeouts do not work when it's only between parent and child.

Yes it does, I'm an only child and my mother disciplined me quite effectively with timeouts. I rarely saw my cousins as a child so they would have had no influence on me.

If anyone cares, I had a troubled childhood.

Personal reasons.

But I was never spanked.

My mother was very liberal with me in all aspects: sex, school, curfews, etc.

I'm not against spanking, it's effective and it's not abuse.

I know about abuse.

There's a difference between spanking and abuse. XilePrincess

That's exactly what I said. :o

There's a difference between spanking and abuse. If people can't tell where to draw the line, they're probably in the abusive group. Nobody will tell me how to and not to discipline my child. I know what is acceptable force on a child and what isn't, and my government will not tell me otherwise. Kids need a good smack in the ass from time to time, and if I have to do it in public, boo hoo for the new-age parents who think talking fixes everything, because you cannot (and should not) waste your time speaking calmly to a screaming brat. I will NOT obey any law that says I cannot discipline my child as I please, because if I did, I'd only be able to spank my kid at home in private, and kids are not stupid, they'll pick up on the fact that you won't smack them in public and just be nastier little beasts. Like I said in a thread yesterday about this, children are below you. You are their superiors. They bargain with you, you do not reason or bargain with or bribe them. XilePrincess

Just remember, your kids are going to be the ones looking after you when you get old. You wouldn't want them to put you in a terrible retirement home would you? :P

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]There's a difference between spanking and abuse. If people can't tell where to draw the line, they're probably in the abusive group. Nobody will tell me how to and not to discipline my child. I know what is acceptable force on a child and what isn't, and my government will not tell me otherwise. Kids need a good smack in the ass from time to time, and if I have to do it in public, boo hoo for the new-age parents who think talking fixes everything, because you cannot (and should not) waste your time speaking calmly to a screaming brat. I will NOT obey any law that says I cannot discipline my child as I please, because if I did, I'd only be able to spank my kid at home in private, and kids are not stupid, they'll pick up on the fact that you won't smack them in public and just be nastier little beasts. Like I said in a thread yesterday about this, children are below you. You are their superiors. They bargain with you, you do not reason or bargain with or bribe them. redstorm72

Just remember, your kids are going to be the ones looking after you when you get old. You wouldn't want them to put you in a terrible retirement home would you? :P

I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

I think there is a better way to punishing kids. But not by hitting them.

I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

jamejame

You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

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I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

[QUOTE="jamejame"]

I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

redstorm72

You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

That's why it's used on children not on youths and teenagers.

I think it's completely fine. On paper it may sound a bit crude, but if you associate misbehaviour with pain or punishment, then more likely than not they won't do it. I also feel pain works better than grounding or forbidding them to do a certain behaviour you don't want them to.

Sure because what has worked for the past few millenniums is all of a sudden wrong and barbaric.

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[QUOTE="jamejame"]

I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

-Big_Red-

You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

Definitely. Like this kid

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You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

Definitely. Like this kid

Only bad parents need to spank their child.

toast_burner

This. I listened and was taught to listen at a very early age, and I never really needed to be spanked or physically punished. Sometimes people don't realize how much little children comprehend. I remember understanding and talking about some pretty mature (and I don't mean inappropriate) subject matter as a young child. Now I think back and I'm like really? I understood that at 5? While kids are young and still developing, not all of them are stupid. Then again I suppose some are, unfortunately stupid parents usually have stupid children so it's kind of like a never ending cycle of stupidity and bad parenting.

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[QUOTE="jamejame"]

I thank my parents for spanking me as a child. I see other children who have now grown up who I've talked to about the matter, and admit they were never spanked, and I shudder at the tought of having turned out like them. I am definitely for spanking, though naturally, there's a limit.

-Big_Red-

You know, Ive seen some kids who were spanked that turned out pretty bad. You disciplinary method as a child does not define who you are as an adult.

and what kind of children would that be?

Off topic- sucks your blog got shut down there lad

Who the f*** is that? Baby Nosferatu?-Big_Red-

This photo should clear things up

Deciding on methods of punishment for children should be left up to their parents, not any government body or outside organization. Regulating our personal lives further would be a step in the wrong direction. It seems less and less crazy to think that maybe one day, we will all be held accountable for every action that could potentially be considered "abusive" through the use of surveillance cameras in our own homes. We're moving backward in a lot of respects. But let me end my rant and get back to something relevant.

My parents punished me in many ways, both physically and psychologically. Any form of punishment can become abusive in some way. The key is to understand that parenting is all about successfully pulling off a balancing act of teaching, rewarding, and punishing based on a child's development. I don't think spanking is always necessary, but I hold no grudges against my mother who frequently used physical punishment followed up with lecturing as a means of getting her point across. If anything she did a great job, as so far in my life I've managed to be pretty successful and more stable than most of my friends and acquaintances. I know that when I have children, should it ever prove to be the best route I won't hesitate to move toward physical punishment. It's just a fact that sometimes a timeout or finger wag aren't going to get the job done.