[QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"]Why cant people understand once someone doesnt like a series no matter what, thats never going to change, Halo 1 and 2 scored amazingly good, did I care for either NO, now that Halo 3 has scored amazingly well do I care, NO.MrEpyx

Your loss. Not like the 360 currently has the best games in practically every genre this generation... :P

The best games for the 360 are dominated mostly by shooters (just gonna show games that are 8.6 and up)

Gears of War - 9.6
Oblivion - 9.6
Halo 3 - 9.5
Forza 2 - 9.2
GRAW - 9.2
RainbowSix Vegas- 9.1
Bioshock - 9.0
Perfect Dark Zero - 9.0
Guitar Hero II - 8.9
Call of Duty 3 - 8.9
Burnout Revenge - 8.8
Dead or Alive 4 - 8.8
PGR 3 - 8.8
Call of Duty 2 - 8.8
C & C 3 - 8.7
GRAW 2 - 8.7
FEAR - 8.6

10 out of the top 17 are shooters. If xTHExJUICEx isn't interested in shooters, it's not that BIG of a loss for them.

Besides the shooters, it's really dependent on which system you prefer.

Forza or Gran Turismo?
Guitar Hero (both systems)
Oblivion (both systems)
PGR (only on 360)
... etc

In all honestly, it looks like Sony may have more variety in their games. But then again, I can also argue against myself and say that this is still all a "just wait" mentality.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"][QUOTE="Gunraidan"]

I'm sorry but this has to be the worst attempt to own someone ever.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

Gonna play devil's advocate, and use the same argumentative powers as BulletMath against the DS

In all seriousness, this is just a troll post, I have respect for the DS, but I also love my PSP.

BulletMath stop being such a hater.

Gunraidan

Just pathetic.

Exactly my point. I copied Bulletmath's logic, which of course, was also a sad and pathetic argument for owning the PSP.

You're even more pathetic for not understanding whatI was doing.

What really is pathetic is the comebacks you did for when he bashed the PSP, after seeing that I doubted your human capabilities.

You're missing the point. I was sounding pathetic to prove a point. What part of that don't you get? If I sounded pathetic, then I did what I set to prove. Obviously you don't "get" it.

I'm sorry but this has to be the worst attempt to own someone ever.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

Gonna play devil's advocate, and use the same argumentative powers as BulletMath against the DS

In all seriousness, this is just a troll post, I have respect for the DS, but I also love my PSP.

BulletMath stop being such a hater.

Gunraidan

Just pathetic.

Exactly my point. I copied Bulletmath's logic, which of course, was also a sad and pathetic argument for owning the PSP.

You're even more pathetic for not understanding whatI was doing.

Gonna play devil's advocate, and use the same argumentative powers as BulletMath against the DS

DS list of failures:

Multimedia
- cannot play mp3 out of the box
- cannot view pictures out of the box
- cannot play videos out of the box
- cannot surf the internet without purchasing the crappy Opera Browser and extended the DS's limited amount of memory
- does not have RSS feeds for streaming/downloading content
- crappy dual screen is horrible for pictures/videos, both screens combined does not equal the resolution of the PSP

Games
- The DS has a tonne of non-games (I thought the DS was supposed to be a games machine, not a non-games machine), such as Nintendogs (puppy training), Brain Age (brain training), Brain Age 2, Observation Training, Face Training, English Training (Japan), more English Training (Japan), Common Sense Training (Japan), Listen! Write! Increase Vocabulary! Initial English Training (Japan), Reading Training (Japan), Detailed Japanese History B Total Training (Japan), Detailed World History B Total Training (Japan), Hajimete no Eigo Training (Japan), Point Blank Training (Japan), Detective Trainer, The Driver's Training Institute, Fast Reading Training, Baby Training, Sense of Pitch Training, TOEIC Test Training. All these training games have accounted for about 14 million copies sold on the DS in Japan, which is about 20% of all games sold.
- top DS games: Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Yoshi's Island, New Super Mario Bros, Mario & Luigi, Castlevania, Phoenix Wright, Metroid Prime, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Super Mario 64, Trauma Center, Cooking Mama, Warioware, all have gameplay which have come from other systems and consoles. Why play it on the DS when you can play a similar game on another system???
- graphics and sound in most part look like games from the SNES era.

Hardware
- not very ergonomic, hands get cramped with extended period of use
- touch screen is easily susceptible to scratching
- hinge is weak and the casing around the hinge breaks
- the touch pad screens are starting to fade or turn yellow on some DS lites
- the headset for the DS has been mostly useless, can be used in voice chat for Pokemon, but who's gonna be yelling "PIKACHU I CHOOSE YOU" while battling?!

In all seriousness, this is just a troll post, I have respect for the DS, but I also love my PSP.

BulletMath stop being such a hater.

The PSP list of Failure

Bad Multimedia
- more than twice as big as the ipod (also screen size is twice as big, can't complain)
- terrible software (matter of opinion)
- Memory stick required (not necessarily true, you can stream some multimedia via RSS if you have a server set up)

Bad Games
- Most high rated games ports or multiplatform titleS ("most" is a complete exaggeration)
- Worse third party support than the DS
-Worse first party support than the DS
-losing support every day
(PSP games are more indepth, therefore longer development times = longer for games to come out. DS games are mostly like games you've played on SNES or N64, easy to develop for since there's not much to it. You'll notice that all the indepth games for the DS take longer to pump out (look at Metroid or Zelda:PHG))

Bad hardware
- 3 hour battery life (depends on what you use it for, this is only one extreme, the battery can potentially last over 10 hours depending on what you use it for, and now with the PSP slim, battery life is probably about 50-100% longer depending on which battery you use)
- load times (sometimes, sometimes not)
- The Square button sticks and is unresponsive (old problem fixed looooong time ago)
- UMD Drive is obnoxiously loud (are you just coming up with excuses? it's pretty quiet)
- stiff unresponsive D-PAd (agree)
- Analogue nub (it works, you may get sore using it, but the same goes for using the stylus for an extended period of time)
- useless wifi switch (why?)

Bad Redesign
-looks exactly the same as the original (many have reported liking the new one over the old)
- negligible difference in battery life (again, depends on the battery you're using)

bulletmath

I don't know why games based off of consoles is necessarily bad for a handheld...

The DS has it's console game counterparts:

- Cooking Mama
- Brain Age
- Trauma Center
- Mario Party
- Mario Kart
- Yoshi's Island
- New Super Mario Bros
- Castlevania games
- Metroid Prime games
- Animal Crossing
- Super Mario 64
- Resident Evil
- Final Fantasy
- Contra
- Dragon Quest games
- Sonic games
- etc.

I mean, the question becomes, just because the game is on the DS and a similar game is on a console, does the same argument apply? Everyone seems to think Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops is a "port" (something I will never understand). Yeah sure, simlar gameplay mechanics, but a completely new game.

Is anyone calling MGS4 a port? Is it bad that an XBOX live arcade game on a console (Geometry Wars) is coming to the DS? This whole "portable PS2" argument is such BS, and anyone who thinks this that this is a valid argument is a hypocrite, because the DS is just as guilty.

I don't understand this "but it's multiplatform now" argument.

Sure the GTA games and Lumines and Syphon Filter also went to the PS2, so what? Does it make it any less of a game because it also went to other systems?

Resident Evil 4 was a Gamecube exclusive before it went to the PS2, but no one denies that it's still a great game that was released on the GC first.

What about other games that have or will suffer this fate? Halo 2, Haze, Ace Combat, Unreal Tournament 3, Exit, etc? Does this make the game any less of a great experience because it's being released on other systems eventually? I think there was a term for this... what was it called?... "timed exclusive"?

PSP has a few timed exclusives. I'm not sure what applies for this argument, but are timed exclusives considered exclusives?

Besides, having the game go to another system eventually doesn't exactly validate this argument: "It's better to play the game on {insert console of choice here} than on a PSP"

Your manager is an idiot.

Paramount and Dreamworks Animation, both subsiduary companies of Viacom, are the ones who were bribed $150 million to become HD-DVD exclusive for only 18 months by some unknown supporter of the HD-DVD camp (M$ or Toshiba is everyone's speculation). Another stipulation is that all Steven Spielberg films (directed only, not produced) will still be released on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

Sony did not go to the HD-DVD camp. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. He needs to go back to school to increase his reading ability.

Also, have fun stocking the video store with a slowly dying format, HD-DVD.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

That's because there are so many non-games that are released over in Japan.

Brain Training
Brain Training 2
English Training
Face Training
Observation Training
etc

Seriously I wonder how this number would adjust if you took out the sales of all the non-games released for the DS.

... and people bash the PSP for it's non-gaming functionality... what about all the non-gaming software for the DS that sells like crazy? No one seems to have a problem with that.

Dencore

Okay let me do it then.

North America

5

l15

17

19

20

24Mario Kart DS

30Transformers: Autobots / Decepticons

40The Sims 2

42Super Mario 64 DS

44Hannah Montana

46Animal Crossing: Wild World

49Naruto: Ninja Council 3

Compared to the 3 "non-games" on the North American list. As for PSP it only has ONE game on the entire list. Funny because it's about as casual as you can possibly get here in America.

Japan

2

3

8

12

15

16

18

22Itadaki Street DS

25Wantame Uranai Channel

29Yoshi Island DS

30Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol

31Naruto 5

36Mushi King Super Collection

37 Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village

41Saiyuki: Gold and Silver Conspiracy

42Kekkaishi: Tale of the Raven Forest

46Zettai Onkan Otoda Master

47Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! 2

And as before the amount of game vastly amount the number of "non-gamers". So there's your list.

Oh I almost forgot to list the PSP's games.

20
40SNOW Portable

44Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd

Nice to see you use the sales rankings for the current week (August 19th) in Japan, which doesn't have much to do with the arguement that a large majority of DS games sold are non-games. Your arguement fails.

Let's take a look at the number of units sold in Japan for some of these "casual non-games":

(541,123 units sold) - Flash Focus: Vision Training Minutes a Day
(4,705,767 units sold) - More Brain Training
(3,660,497 units sold) - Brain Training
(2,093,235 units sold) - English Training
(443,689 units sold) - More English Training for Adults
(49,333 units sold) - Face Training
(567,269 units sold) - Kanji Performance Testing
(1,549,121 units sold) - Common Sense Training

... there are more training games such as

Listen! Write! Increase Vocabulary! Initial English Training
Reading Training
Detailed Japanese History B Total Training
Detailed World History B Total Training
Kiku! Kaku! Kotoba o Fuyasu! Hajimete no Eigo Training
Namco Right Brain Training: Point Blank Training
Simple DS Series Vol. 14: The Drivers Training Institute
Baby Training
Fast Reading Training
Sense of Pitch Training
TOEIC Test Training

I don't have sales numbers for these ones, so I won't include them in the calculation.

Just from these non-games alone, they account for over 13.5 MILLION games sold in JAPAN ONLY. So approximately one in every five games sold is a non-game.