[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="famicommander"]That's laughable considering the terrible voice acting, repetition, and abundance of glitches in GTA IV.famicommander

Please go here for an example of bad voice acting: http://kotaku.com/5014864/not-so-good-voice-acting-explained

Seriously, MGS4 voice-acting is up there with the best for a videogame.

Again, as pure entertainment goes, there is a place for the graphics arguement, but I think that is more suited for the casual gamer. I do enjoy the occasional immersive experiance, but it's comparable to watching a movie.

The point is that I enjoy playing games more than watching graphics.

DaBrainz

If graphics were suited for the casual gamer, then the casual gamer would NOT be buying the Wii.

I don't think you get my point. Graphical quality in a game is used as a "device", different kinds of graphics for different kinds of purposes; it's not used simply for pure entertainment values. "Schindler's List" was shot in black and white. Or what about "A Scanner Darkly", a mixture of animation and real-life?

Game directors also have to make these choices.. what kind of graphics do I want to convey the experience I want the player to feel?

Playing a game is a coordination of watching the visuals, listening to the audio, and using some sort of input device (controller, keyboard, mouse, etc) to interface/control with what is happening in the game. Enjoying playing games is a moot argument, because it encompasses watching the graphics, and how the graphics are represented to you affect your emotional response to the game.

It's like you're saying, "I like playing music more than listening to sound", in which listening to what you are playing is already a subset of playing music. How can you enjoy playing music if you don't care about how it sounds? How can you enjoy a game if you don't care about what you see?

I'm finding that a lot of people in these forums think the interactive movie type games are the best.

I am very competitive and I find games that are innovative and challenging to be the best.

I think there is a place for both, but I do resent the graphics and story argument as they have little to due with actual gaming.

DaBrainz

no one is saying that interactive movie type games are the best.

why would some games bother putting in a story?

Because it gives you perspective for why things in the game are happening around you, it gives you a reason to be working or fighting your way to achieve the goal set out by the game/story. Would ANY single player FPS be engaging at all if there was absolutely no story or context? You'll feel like you're just trudging through levels fighting these random "bad-guys", who want to kill you and you need to kill them for no apparent reason.

As for graphics, I think they play quite an important part. It's NOT just about how realistic a game looks (though realism gives off a positive impression), but rather will the graphics will convey the experience that the developers want the player to feel. If I play a horror game, will I be scared from a cartoony zombie sprite or a 3d realistic deformed looking human who looks ready to eat your flesh? Do I want Mario to look human or to remain in cartoony form? Do I want realistic cars and tracks from a racing simulator? Graphics have their importance, you shouldn't brush it off so quickly.

games nowadays have evolved to being so much more than a "fun" experience; I don't know why we keep re-iterating that a good game is a fun game.

When you appreciate a piece of art, or enjoy a movie, you don't think "oh it was good because it was fun". You develop an emotion response to it. Such is the same for videogames, where you feel accomplishment, reward, pride, sadness, fear, adrenaline rush, etc... when you are able to "connect" emotionally to a videogame, we push all these varying emotions under this scapegoat rug we call "fun".

Games are so much more.

Does Just Cause 2 have a complex physics system like Crysis?

Dun think so.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

There are way more "good" games for the PSP than there are for the Wii. Wasn't there an article on Kotaku showing that out of all the consoles of the next gen and last gen, the Wii has the LOWEST average score of all games?

Buy a Wii only if you want and play first party titles. PSP at least you can watch movies/play music/store pictures/internet radio/RSS feeds/internet/Remote Play PS3/play good games on the go.

the_h_bomb

Pop quiz hot shot. How many of those "good games" can I play on PS3?

and how many games are scheduled to come out for it?

I rest my case

PSP game on the PS3? The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are FlOw and Ectochrome. Unless you are talkng about something else.

Even if you were right, you've only tackled one of the many features of the PSP.

3 pages and no one mentions the following:

• Infrastructure that allows the community to self-govern with:
  • Gamer zone
  • Rep
  • Prefer/avoid
  • Feedback, monitored by an international team. This same team randomly joins game sessions to police behavior
• 2 levels of matchmaking:
  • Preference-based with the features listed above
  • Skill-based using the proprietary TrueSkill system
• Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Compared to the competition, MS seems to be the best connected to its community
  • Then there's MS personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community like Major Nelson and Trixie
  • They have MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs. See the gamercards in our sigs? MS didn't make those. But they do have their programmers help community sites.
  • Community Calendar with Ladies Night, Prime Time and Family Game Night, Play with Devs, Game With Fame

The simple fact that these points are taken for granted says alot about how well-integrated these features are.
VoodooHak

Good points, like I said, I'm not very aware of the features of Live.

[QUOTE="mahjustin"][QUOTE="jet052006"]

Is In-game XMB out yet?

So you can see and intereact with other PSN users playing different games than the one that you are playing? Last time I checked(awhile ago) PSN isolated players to one game.

What does your last part have to do with what I said? I didnt mention anything like this at all?

jet052006

It's not out yet, but everyone knows it's coming.

Once it comes though, can you still say Live is better?

I dont know, If it does everything its suppose to do maybe, but I dont even think there has been a release date for it yet.

No firm release date, but at CES, Sony confirmed that in-game XMB is coming out this year (2008).

http://ps3.thegamereviews.com/story-382-CES-2008-Sony-Confirms-InGame-XMB-Sometime-in-08.html