@Moondrake: Yes 4K and low quality setting at 30fps.

@taker254isback: Yes 700 bones, but you get free games. wink wink.

Yeah, that's pretty spot on. PS4 Pro is just an lowbudget gaming PC.

Barely able to do 4K and barely able to do VR.

I'm surprised that an ugly looking game like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided can be so hardware intensive. The game looks very bland.

@ninboxstation: Yes Good VR is too early. But like all things they must start from somewhere. Remember the first generation 3D games, Virtua Fighter 1 remember that, that was a taste of what polygons could do.

This current gen of VR is a taste of what VR can do. In order to get good smooth HD VR, we need to wait another hardware generation. PS5/XB1 will do proper VR.

You need 5k 120fps machine to do proper VR.

But we all know Wii U can do it.

@sampson3121: No PC has a secret weapon. Its called VR Porn. Porn never fails.

@krysten1977: But is it in 4K 60fps?

@JEF8484: Problem with fixed characters is you roll the dice. Some people just can't relate to the characters and hence don't play the game.

For me I've never finished a single GTA game, I know that's odd. But I could never relate to any GTA character.

Mass Effect was really well done, in that you could change the character and still get the same experience. Which is very rare.

@Megavideogamer: VR is here to stay, for anyone who's tried it. Its bound to replace all gaming. But PS4 VR is not.

@ninboxstation: Nothing can do that. Not even Occulus.

In order to do 1080p VR, you need a 5K goggle display, with each eye pumping out 2.5K at 60fps. Due to pixel warping from the goggles, a simple 4K goggle won't give you 1080p VR.

So basically you need a system able to do 5K at 120fps.

Nothing can do this at present. Not even a SLI Gtx 1080 with Octocore i7.

@haywaja: I just want a pointless and frivolous upgrade to be a little less frivolous and a little less pointless.

As it stands the system is not really true 4K, we'll need to wait for PS5 for that and it doesn't even play 4K movies.

If you want me to throw out my old PS4, you need something better than an 4Kish system with no Bluray. Especially when your competition is offering their own 4kish system with Bluray.