@jcrame10: TLOU has a great mp IMO. and this was a new iP. I do understand naughty dog has superior experience in big budget games to RAD but it felt like RAD was over their heads. The story which they claim to be the focus wasn't well explained either although the dialogue was written pretty good. Well it seems like a lot of people wanted to check out the game. So we should see a sequel and more content and creative gameplay should be more of a focus.

@mdk12345: we need 5 hrs of gameplay for $60 like I need a hole in my head. We need 10-20 single player games that are fun, challenging and non repetitive. We all need to stop comparing the order to heavy rain that you wanted to play over and Over again. No dont think the order warrants no more than 2 playthroughs for trophies or for playing on hard after starting out on normal.

@bezza2011:

Besz I responded to you on ign

Well as you know I played it and it took 9 hrs on hard. I figured I would probably only want to play once before trading game in so I want the most challenging experience. I think the game should have been 20 plus chapters as well

With having about 3 of the chapters entirely a cutscene. I agree sbout a game greatness or lack there of isnt solely based on game length. I just think the order wasn't a great game even in those 6 hrs of gameplay and 3 hrs of cutscenes.

There were so many opportunities to masks the lycan fights more in control of the user with no Qte's besides a finish move. There should have been way more than 2 elder fights since the regular Wolves were mundane battles. I thought the game advertise mostly about the story involves lycans over the humans and nog humans vs hymns as the focus. Great Co op and/or MP added on would have lessen the blow to flaws of SP. I think a well done co op or mp could have possibly given game a 8/10. I like the lycans vs humans idea from guy who made post.

Abe's, I don't know how you think this game should be any more than ok. We can't be wowed by graphics alone to think a game with so many flaws is a great game. I think without MP or co op but a densely content heavy game with tons of areas to explore but still linear storyline would have suffice. The game felt undone and it was very little to explore. I took my time in the game and backtracked a lot even after a cutscenes in a new location. I rarely found a lot of interesting items. What was the point of newspapers you can't read but only the headlines? Why could RAD allow you to save those articles and zoom in to magnify the text of the article? Man there were so many design flaws and to call this a 8/10 is a disservice to RAD to be told the truth. Yes the game had great potential but things weren't. executed well besides solid shooting (not enough of it ) and graphics.

@MarcRecon:

The lack oc player control is a big issue. The other issues like lack of control fighting the scarce amount of lycans is another problem. There are 5 scenes with lycans and out if the 5 2 times until fight uninspiring elder lycans. Too many times you can't even use your gun while being forced to walk and non innovative game design. The shooting mechanics were solid but uninspired. Thd game has no genuine incentives to replay othef than those trophy hunting fanatics. I bought the game and immediately traded in before it's worth nothing in value. The game set up a sequel and hope they get it right the second time.

@Xristophoros:

I suspect the reason it looks so good is because there is a lot less to interact with and so extremely linear. Well david cage has a bad reputation after beyond 2 souls IMO. I loved Heavy rain and you cant compare heavy rain to The order. Heavy rain was probably 8-10 hrs but there were so many branching storylines that made you want to replay the game over and over again. I do hope The Order sells well but the gameplay must be way more creative than what I am hearing. I want the game NOW because I am tired of playing the remasters etc. I want a shiny new game that displays my 4ktv and my 1yr old ps4. I have no problem trading in a game for $40. I already have $40 in credit at gamestop and so I am only spending $20 to pay it off. If I had to fork over the full price I would wait for a major price drop. Its a shame RAD felt a compelling story doesn't also deserve great ENGAGING and updated gameplay.

@bezza2011:

This is the problem the gameplay is very suspect based on all the reviews I read and podcast and YouTube reviews. I have done my homework as you can see. I can't get on ign and not sure if banned from forum or my server from work is keeping me off.

I will buy it today just to support first party games for ps4. The worse case scenario is trading it in at best buy for $40 after a week of playing it twice. RAD made a big mistake not making it co op or MP online. The cinematics interrupt gameplay from a lot of complaints. I know I will probably feel it's a 7/10 but I hope a sequel comes. I don't want AAA games to become extinct with all these bad reviews because gamers want more than just watching a game vs playing it. I liove graphics and since the order is considered the best looking current gen game I need to see it in my new 4k tv. I love graphics but never over gameplay. It should be a perfect blend and naughty dog would never sacrifice gameplay over looking the best which I think RAD did with the order.

Then I read this kiirby game getting good reviews and it drives me crazy with kiddy games always getting good reviews. I think if the order had the same single player experience but MP or co op offline was added replay and length of game would have never been a issue. The weaknesses of the single player wouldn't have stood out as much and a sequel would be a definite. I have a feeling despite the horrible reviews people will buy it anyway due to the slow time of no exclusives for sony and wanting to support AAA titles and the marvel over the presentation.

I didn't find any major bugs in my retail copy. I never had s LBP before until lbp 3 and like it alot.

So thus is all the votes and traffic I get for thus post after :2 days? Man this site has weak members who rarely come on. It seems to get worse and worse. Ign gets constant traffic but a dick of a moderate closing threads every minute.

@cyloninside:

I'm not sure what you have seen but there are a few people like videogamer.com that had issues with the demo and they played it. I don't like QTE's if you don't do it perfectly and you get instantly killed. I don't like the fact in the stealth part if you get spotted you die instantly.

I read the eurogamer article about the specs and improvement to GTA 5 from ps3 to ps4 and they were spot on. They compare TLOU remaster, which wasn't much of a remaster and state how vastly improved GTA 5 feels on ps4. The first person is a game changer to me. I thought i wouldn't like to drive in first person but i enjoy that just as much as on foot. The only thing rockstar didn't deliver in, which eurogamer brings up, is the traffic and pedestrians do not look more dense than PS3. I was a little disappointed with that false advertisement but everything else plays so well i can forgive them.

Rockstar could have easily just revamped the graphics but they went the extra mile with first person. Now i can actually play online for hours with no problems. Rockstar is so detailed that i played with some guys online and we were in the car together. As we drove to our destination i was looking at both guys bobbing their heads to the music. You can flick someone off while driving and see it in first person. I saw my partner while i was driving my bike flick someone off as well. The details on the pavement, walls and characters look so much better. The rain looks so realistic. When i first put in the game the graphics didn't wow me but the more you play the more the details and enhancements impress me.

I can't imagine what a GTA game will look like made from ground up on PS4. I would love to see the next GTA with snow skiing, water skiing, snowboarding, slaloms like X games races. What would you like to see in the next GTA game? They have done so much its kind of hard to think of where they can improve. I would like the cars to feel more sim like. I do think that the cars feel better driving in first person then in 3rd person. The cars sort of drive like The Crew which is a slipper feel where you drive out of control easier. I do think Watch Dog vehicles feel slightly better after comparing the games.