well the majority of the world lives off of $1 or I think $5 a day or so, its a low number I dont remember. If you make I think $1000 a year than your like in the top 5% richest in the world. I don't remember where I heard it but it seems true. That is if you are comparing world population. If this is just american or 1st world population than its a different story.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

If one believes that what comes after life is directly correlated with what one does during life then he will either be greatly assured or greatly troubled. However, the atheist who believes that there is nothing after life at all has no fear of such conceivable consequences.

As for me, I do indeed believe that there is a God who judges the righteous and the unrighteous. However, there is none who is righteous but Jesus himself. Thankfully, as I hint at above, I am greatly assured by the promises of God that the righteousness of Jesus has covered my sin and the thing that awaits me at heaven's gates is the joyous singing of my savior.

The atheist may very well have no fear of what occurs after death but he does not have any assurance and future hope either.

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

Yes they view Jesus as a prophet. More like a person of significance, but they view Mohammad as most important. But they do not view Jesus as God in human form as the Christians state.

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Yes they view Jesus as a prophet. More like a person of significance, but they view Mohammad as most important. But they do not view Jesus as God in human form as the Christians state.

Any being that creates creatures for the sole sake of worship is never one that I will ever, ever worship. It disgusts me that anyone would. Such a being I despise, for I am not made to live, I am made simply to fulfill someone else's selfish wishes. You are borne into enslavement, and then come to believe that you are free through a path your slave-master offers, or else you then truly suffer. True freedom? In what way? How can you begin to allow such a thing? To desire things someone else desires is not life, it is the definition of subservience.

I find it funny that Christians are so opposed to people wanting to follow their own selfish desires, yet that's the exact thing their Almighty god is demanding of His followers and that they themselves enable. I'm not exaggerating when I say this, but when I read Mindstorm's (and your reply to his post), I literally become nauseated. But if you and Mindstorm don't mind being slave, as I said, by all means. God comes off as a selfish, petty child. Look around you, nothing so magnificient could be created by such a pathetic creature.

MirkoS77

I understand completely what you are saying. It is a very valid argument. But with all do respect, when someone says this they do not know who God really is. God is the opposite of some petty diety who needs our worship to feel validated. God needs nothing. The truth of why God wants us to worship Him is because He wants us to experience the ultimate everlasting joy, love, and peace that He has experienced from eternity past within the fellowship of the trinity. For God IS love, He is the source of all good in the universe. Nothing about Him is evil or false and all of his attributes meet at the cross.

If I may quote scripture. This is the God of the Bible from Exodus 34: 6 The Lord passed before him, and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, 7 keeping steadfast love for the thousandth generation, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, yet by no means clearing the guilty, but visiting the iniquity of the parents upon the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." 8 And Moses quickly bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] That personally sounds rather awesome in my opinion. You do realize that it is my desire to be, in a sense, a slave of God, correct? He is my Lord, my God, my savior, my king. It is my desire to submit my will to God and if that means I never have a will apart from his own, fantastic! I want my desires to be God's desires. Whatever logical consequence this has for the concept of my own free will is therefore almost irrelevant. Whatever God desires is infinitely better than anything I could ever hope to desire in and of myself. MirkoS77

Yes I understand how you can think this Mirko. It certainly sounds like being a slave would mean being in a prison. But the Bible says that we are slaves to Christ, and in so being we are truly free. Doesn't this seem odd? It sounds like a contradiction does it not? But as Mindstorm stated God made all human beings to worship Him, this is our true purpose; for our desires are to be what God desires. Because of original sin, the fall of mankind, we are all enslaved to sin and only desire evil but thanks to Jesus Christ and Him crucified we can be slaves to Him and desire the things of God which bring LIFE, this is no prison. It is true freedom. This is a weighty subject but God has not left us to ponder about these things. There are answers we just got to dig deep in the scriptures and rely on God to show us the depths of his character.