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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]I'm sorry I don't understand that at all, explain this "freed will". Not picking a fight, but I'm curious to hear this arguement as it is very rare to have people of faith actually have a conversation that might confict with their beliefs. mindstorm


Different Christians have different beliefs on this topic. I essentially believe the same thing St. Augustine and people like Martin Luther believed on the topic though the entire Catholic church and many Protestants would disagree with my own perspective. Essentially, Christians debate fate vs. free will. How are we to understand the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's responsibility especially in light of us following God? Rather than there being a chicken or the egg question within Christianity, there is the question of whether we seek after God first or whether God seeks after us first.

I personally put a heavy emphasis on the idea that God is sovereign. The idea goes as this. We, all of humanity, are from conception tainted with sin. Sin is not simply bad things that we do but it is a part of our very essence. Sin is a curse that causes us to seek after a selfish will that seeks to make a name for ourselves rather than showing the greatness of God himself. We therefore seek after our pleasures and happiness in created things rather than the Creator himself. We therefore have confined wills, wills that are corrupted and not as powerful as we would like to believe. Ever wonder why you do the things that you do not want to do? This is why. We have wills and are responsible for our actions. However, our wills are burdened by the weight of sin.

God lifts that sin. Through this burden being lifted we can then finally seek after God. This is the "freed will" that I speak of. Through through power of God within us we are freed from the bondage of sin and are then capable of seeking after the good will of God our Father. This freedom is only partial in this life but is made complete at the return of Christ. In that day we will be given new bodies, new natures, and we will be able to freely do the will of God.

I Amen what Mindstorm said. I consider myself a Calvinist and a follower of Augustinianism and agree with what has been said.
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umm are you sure you want to do that. You would be just as bad as the people that do horrible things to their victims. Don't try to justify it.
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HECK YA im gonna see it. It's gonna be awwwwesooomee
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What a tragedy. It always saddens me to hear of such things happening. Yet these events continues and no one seems to have found a solution to prevent tragedies like this from happening.

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]Sex outside of marriage causes nothing but problems. Just man up and do the hard work of loving and marrying a woman and then have all the sex you want with your wife.no-scope-AK47

You are talking nonsense, but judging by the sig I know pleanty brainwashed into that way of thinking aswell. Sex outside of marraige, even casual sex can be a wonderful thing. Just be sensible about it.

Sex outside of marriage can be a problem if you don't wear condoms. No one wants to make a bastard or get a std it is pretty easy to put a condom on and have at it. Getting married just to have sex is stupid. Some people have no skills in bed and don't want to learn. Others as hard as it is to believe don't really like sex that much. It would be insane to get married and find out what you were waiting for was a huge let down. This of course means that you also have to hold up your end in the bedroom. Not that a virgin would know but it takes practice to get good in bed. There is also the X-factor that your partner might have a fetish that you might not be comfortable with.

So the thinking that I will get married and then watch sex tapes and some how me and my woman will turn into porn stars is idiotic at best. Finding a wife is much harder than finding a lady friend and waiting to have sex.

Just to be clear, I am talking about more than just the physical afflictions that can happen when you have sex outside of marriage, there are disastrous emotional consequences and much more importantly spiritual consequences as well. And I do not mean to say that one should do the hard work of pursuing a girl and marrying her for the primary reason of sex. Sex is not the purpose of marriage, but it is certainly an added bonus.
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[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"] haha lol.. ?? huh?Guybrush_3

Hes laughing because he thinks waiting till marriage is funny :P

Waiting until marriage is fine if that's your thing (although it can be bad it's usually fine) but the idea that any sex outside of marriage is bad is completely ridiculous.

Yep, I guess it depends on your perspective.
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]Sex outside of marriage causes nothing but problems. Just man up and do the hard work of loving and marrying a woman and then have all the sex you want with your wife.Guybrush_3

AHAHAHAHAHA

haha lol.. ?? huh?
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Sex outside of marriage causes nothing but problems. Just man up and do the hard work of loving and marrying a woman and then have all the sex you want with your wife.
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

It's just a more militant form. Think of people like Richard Dawkins and, in this forum, Zeviander and RationalAtheist.

GreySeal9

a more militant form? you mean they are just more outspoken about their faith?

Athiesm doesn't contain faith.

It takes a leap of faith to believe there in no God.
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

New atheists are the exact opposite of chill/cool atheists.

kingkong0124

Wait, whats "new aithism". is it different from "atheism"?

It's just a more militant form. Think of people like Richard Dawkins and, in this forum, Zeviander and RationalAtheist.

a more militant form? you mean they are just more outspoken about their faith?