[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I could point to books by notable scholars also, such as 'Why Evolution is true', 'The God Delusion', etc.

What's the most compelling evidence for God?

psymon100

Well, people can be convicted today sometimes with eyewitness testimony, sometimes later such testimony turns out to be a misidentification and the conviction overturned. So, I am unsure I should be convinced by witness testimony.

I have heard anecdotes on both sides, finding religion, losing religion - so I'm unsure this is compelling evidence.

Often I wonder the question 'what would a proof of God look like?'

Let me go to scripture and see what God has to say about this.

ROMANS 1:19-23

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

The problem is this. You know God exists, the proof is everywhere. You don't need more head knowledge, what is needed is a heart change, the problem is with your heart. The thing is you don't want to believe, you deny the evidence that God has put in front of you. This section of scripture is pointed at people who have never even heard of the Bible or Jesus Christ, but since you have heard of Jesus and the Bible you are really without excuse. Verse 20 is speaking about God's attributes as it is seen in nature, the trees, birds, mountians, clouds, all of creation including his prize creation... humans.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I could point to books by notable scholars also, such as 'Why Evolution is true', 'The God Delusion', etc.

What's the most compelling evidence for God?

Ace6301

Hmmm similiar? Its impossible for me to know who is being discussed since we haven't really talked about any one person's actual testimony. I'm sure that conversion stories in other religions are much different then when a person is converted by the Holy Spirit. It wouldn't really be helpful to elaborate further in fear of getting into a mess of misunderstanding.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I could point to books by notable scholars also, such as 'Why Evolution is true', 'The God Delusion', etc.

What's the most compelling evidence for God?

toast_burner

Testimonies alone don't mean much, I could find people claiming they were abducted by aliens, that doesn't mean an invasion is going to happen anytime soon.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I'm always interested to see what's considered evidence.

psymon100

Well to discuss this massive topic would require much more than a post to explain. I can point you to a couple of books that have been really helpful for me. These books are written by extremely knowledgeable scholars.

Understanding Scripture: An Overview of the Bible's Origin, Reliability, and Meaning by Wayne Grudem, C. John Collins, Thomas R. Schreiner, J.I. Packer, John Piper, and many others... All of the authors are well noted scholars and theologians who have dedicated their lives to undesrstanding The Bible.

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Scripture-Overview-Reliability-Meaning/dp/1433529998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358891989&sr=1-1&keywords=scripture+john+piper

Knowing Scripture by R.C. Sproul

http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Scripture-R-C-Sproul/dp/083083723X/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358892391&sr=1-8&keywords=R.C.+Sproul

I could point to books by notable scholars also, such as 'Why Evolution is true', 'The God Delusion', etc.

What's the most compelling evidence for God?

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I'm always interested to see what's considered evidence.

toast_burner

Well to discuss this massive topic would require much more than a post to explain. I can point you to a couple of books that have been really helpful for me. These books are written by extremely knowledgeable scholars.

Understanding Scripture: An Overview of the Bible's Origin, Reliability, and Meaning by Wayne Grudem, C. John Collins, Thomas R. Schreiner, J.I. Packer, John Piper, and many others... All of the authors are well noted scholars and theologians who have dedicated their lives to undesrstanding The Bible.

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Scripture-Overview-Reliability-Meaning/dp/1433529998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358891989&sr=1-1&keywords=scripture+john+piper

Knowing Scripture by R.C. Sproul

http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Scripture-R-C-Sproul/dp/083083723X/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358892391&sr=1-8&keywords=R.C.+Sproul

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Do you mean like the loaves and the fishes thing?

I would love to discuss this 'much more evidence'.

psymon100

his standard of evidence must be at rock bottom

I'm always interested to see what's considered evidence.

Well to discuss this massive topic would require much more than a post to explain. I can point you to a couple of books that have been really helpful for me. These books are written by extremely knowledgeable scholars.

Understanding Scripture: An Overview of the Bible's Origin, Reliability, and Meaning by Wayne Grudem, C. John Collins, Thomas R. Schreiner, J.I. Packer, John Piper, and many others... All of the authors are well noted scholars and theologians who have dedicated their lives to undesrstanding The Bible.

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Scripture-Overview-Reliability-Meaning/dp/1433529998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358891989&sr=1-1&keywords=scripture+john+piper

Knowing Scripture by R.C. Sproul

http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Scripture-R-C-Sproul/dp/083083723X/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358892391&sr=1-8&keywords=R.C.+Sproul

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]That is a good question right there. In the case of God I would say that he has proven his love for us by sending his son Jesus Christ to atone for our sins and save us from death. It should also be noted that this is not divine child abuse because Jesus willingly laid down His life for His sheep (His covanent people)Zeviander

Yes I have read what I have said and would not change one word in it, because it is objectively true. Truth by it's very meaning must be objective, for if it was only subjective it would only be opinion. All real objective truth comes from God, not from us.

The evidence that proves God exists through Jesus is given by Jesus Himself. He performed countless miracles and fulfilled every one of the 400+ prophecies of the old testament. There is much more evidence that can be explored as well.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] But what about the person you love? How do they know you love them without you proving it to them? Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I can't proove my love for someone, but if i feel it and accept it then to me it is true.Zeviander

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]There is plenty of evidence of Jesus Christ outside of the Bible.Zeviander

I'm gonna get cancer from these posts.

Here is a couple non christian historical evidences for Jesus' ressurection

Josephus (A.D. 37-100) A Jewish historian born just a few years after Jesus died.

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the jews and many of the gentiles. He was the christ. And when pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him."

Suetonius (A.D. 70-160) roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House.

"punishment was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition [the ressurection]."

pliny the younger (A.D. 61-113) wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan around 111

"I have never been present at an examination of Christians. Consequently, I do not know the nature of the extent of the punishments usually meted out to them, nor the grounds for starting an investigation and how far it should be pressed...They also declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day [sunday in remembrance of Jesus' ressurection] to chant verses alternately amongst themselves in honor of CHrist as if to a god..."

SOURCES:

flavius Josephus, "Jewish Antiquities," in the new complete works of josephus, trans. William Whiston (Grand Rapids, MI 1999)

Sutonius, Vita Nero 16.11-13

Pliny the Younger, Letters 10.96.1-7